DUST Search - Active scanner is OP please help

DUST Fiend wrote:

poopy pantzs wrote:

Darkstalker Astrea wrote:

Active scanners are NO RISK - HIGH REWARD

I think it is fair to say that the active scanner is and always has been very powerful

Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans

When you get stomped because everybody on the other team knows where you are, I think that's a problem.

One or two players can affect the entire battle by spamming scans and you have no way of finding them I think this is also wrong.

Dampeners are not very effective and few suits can get under the best (proto stomp) scans.

What's interesting is active scanners are not very dynamic. It is either proto or don't bother for the most part

My suggestion is to allow only one scanner to be equipped ( like the cloak)

Adjust the scanners so they can only grab certain frequencies. NOT 35db all the way down to 20 db for proto
Example:
Scanner a- picks up between 28 - 24 db
scanner b - picks up between 22 - 19 db
Scanner c- picks up between 20 - 17db

You could add other variants that do different things
Such as
vehicle scanner
Cloak scrambler (insta reveal cloak in short ranges)
Scan disruptor - cancels scan, effectively reducing scanned time
Scan locator - when activated reveals location you were scanned from

Go play COD scrubby

COD has spammable wall hacks too? And it shares them with the other 15 players on your team?

I should try COD some day.

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Darkstalker Astrea Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:26:00 - [1] - Quote Active scanners are NO RISK - HIGH REWARD I think it is fair to say that the active scanner is and always has been very powerful Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans When you get stomped because everybody on the other team knows where you are, I think that's a problem. One or two players can affect the entire battle by spamming scans and you have no way of finding them I think this is also wrong. Dampeners are not very effective and few suits can get under the best (proto stomp) scans. What's interesting is active scanners are not very dynamic. It is either proto or don't bother for the most part My suggestion is to allow only one scanner to be equipped ( like the cloak) Adjust the scanners so they can only grab certain frequencies. NOT 35db all the way down to 20 db for proto Example: Scanner a- picks up between 28 - 24 db scanner b - picks up between 22 - 19 db Scanner c- picks up between 20 - 17db You could add other variants that do different things Such as vehicle scanner Cloak scrambler (insta reveal cloak in short ranges) Scan disruptor - cancels scan, effectively reducing scanned time Scan locator - when activated reveals location you were scanned from
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3657	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:27:00 - [2] - Quote Inb4 use damps Inb4 skill Galscout Inb4 valid tactic /endthread Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 735	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:28:00 - [3] - Quote High reward? Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
Darkstalker Astrea Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:36:00 - [4] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Inb4 use damps Inb4 skill Galscout Inb4 valid tactic /endthread --- D Bag You are making my point ( gal scout is one of maybe two suits that can get under a proto scanner with damps) Never said it wasn't a valid tactic I said its OP Maybe the internet is bad in your country or you just can't read
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 4567	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:40:00 - [5] - Quote Oh right then only allow proto reptools, hives and uplinks to support proto suits. If you dont have a proto suit you are not allowed to spawn on the proto uplink. Sounds just as stupid as your proposal. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3657	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:42:00 - [6] - Quote Darkstalker Astrea wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Inb4 use damps Inb4 skill Galscout Inb4 valid tactic /endthread --- D Bag You are making my point ( gal scout is one of maybe two suits that can get under a proto scanner with damps) Never said it wasn't a valid tactic I said its OP Maybe the internet is bad in your country or you just can't read Hmmm, yes. The forum is not strong in this one. But seriously, look up inb4 and reread my post. It's funnier that way Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
poopy pantzs Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 30	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:44:00 - [7] - Quote Darkstalker Astrea wrote: Active scanners are NO RISK - HIGH REWARD I think it is fair to say that the active scanner is and always has been very powerful Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans When you get stomped because everybody on the other team knows where you are, I think that's a problem. One or two players can affect the entire battle by spamming scans and you have no way of finding them I think this is also wrong. Dampeners are not very effective and few suits can get under the best (proto stomp) scans. What's interesting is active scanners are not very dynamic. It is either proto or don't bother for the most part My suggestion is to allow only one scanner to be equipped ( like the cloak) Adjust the scanners so they can only grab certain frequencies. NOT 35db all the way down to 20 db for proto Example: Scanner a- picks up between 28 - 24 db scanner b - picks up between 22 - 19 db Scanner c- picks up between 20 - 17db You could add other variants that do different things Such as vehicle scanner Cloak scrambler (insta reveal cloak in short ranges) Scan disruptor - cancels scan, effectively reducing scanned time Scan locator - when activated reveals location you were scanned from Go play COD scrubby "Did you see the size of that chicken?" ------- Young Guns
The Eristic Dust 90210 904	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:47:00 - [8] - Quote I've always thought the scanner should light up the player using it, too, and/or the "Scanned/Prevented" messages should include distance + direction. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Elpedo Hughes Intara Direct Action Caldari State 48	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:17:00 - [9] - Quote The Eristic wrote: I've always thought the scanner should light up the player using it, too, and/or the "Scanned/Prevented" messages should include distance + direction. Scan prevented should include distance and direction??? So basically a scan.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3663	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:19:00 - [10] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: The Eristic wrote: I've always thought the scanner should light up the player using it, too, and/or the "Scanned/Prevented" messages should include distance + direction. Scan prevented should include distance and direction??? So basically a scan. But only on the scanner. Sort of like an anti-malware program. Scan prevented: Threat found at 120 meters Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
VAHZZ Arrary of Clusters 1527	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:22:00 - [11] - Quote GalScout Active Scanner please BUFF If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
Darkstalker Astrea Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:27:00 - [12] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Darkstalker Astrea wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Inb4 use damps Inb4 skill Galscout Inb4 valid tactic /endthread --- D Bag You are making my point ( gal scout is one of maybe two suits that can get under a proto scanner with damps) Never said it wasn't a valid tactic I said its OP Maybe the internet is bad in your country or you just can't read Hmmm, yes. The forum is not strong in this one. But seriously, look up inb4 and reread my post. It's funnier that way --- Hahaha I still think my point is being made But GG
Darkstalker Astrea Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:30:00 - [13] - Quote poopy pantzs wrote: Darkstalker Astrea wrote: Active scanners are NO RISK - HIGH REWARD I think it is fair to say that the active scanner is and always has been very powerful Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans When you get stomped because everybody on the other team knows where you are, I think that's a problem. One or two players can affect the entire battle by spamming scans and you have no way of finding them I think this is also wrong. Dampeners are not very effective and few suits can get under the best (proto stomp) scans. What's interesting is active scanners are not very dynamic. It is either proto or don't bother for the most part My suggestion is to allow only one scanner to be equipped ( like the cloak) Adjust the scanners so they can only grab certain frequencies. NOT 35db all the way down to 20 db for proto Example: Scanner a- picks up between 28 - 24 db scanner b - picks up between 22 - 19 db Scanner c- picks up between 20 - 17db You could add other variants that do different things Such as vehicle scanner Cloak scrambler (insta reveal cloak in short ranges) Scan disruptor - cancels scan, effectively reducing scanned time Scan locator - when activated reveals location you were scanned from Go play COD scrubby Moron I don't play cod There is nothing scrub-ier than you using your proto scanner and scanning EVERYONE except for two suits
Darkstalker Astrea Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:32:00 - [14] - Quote The Eristic wrote: I've always thought the scanner should light up the player using it, too, and/or the "Scanned/Prevented" messages should include distance + direction. At minimum this is all I would ask for I threw in a bunch of other ideas because I didn't want to just bi tch about it
DUST Fiend 16519	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:38:00 - [15] - Quote poopy pantzs wrote: Darkstalker Astrea wrote: Active scanners are NO RISK - HIGH REWARD I think it is fair to say that the active scanner is and always has been very powerful Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans When you get stomped because everybody on the other team knows where you are, I think that's a problem. One or two players can affect the entire battle by spamming scans and you have no way of finding them I think this is also wrong. Dampeners are not very effective and few suits can get under the best (proto stomp) scans. What's interesting is active scanners are not very dynamic. It is either proto or don't bother for the most part My suggestion is to allow only one scanner to be equipped ( like the cloak) Adjust the scanners so they can only grab certain frequencies. NOT 35db all the way down to 20 db for proto Example: Scanner a- picks up between 28 - 24 db scanner b - picks up between 22 - 19 db Scanner c- picks up between 20 - 17db You could add other variants that do different things Such as vehicle scanner Cloak scrambler (insta reveal cloak in short ranges) Scan disruptor - cancels scan, effectively reducing scanned time Scan locator - when activated reveals location you were scanned from Go play COD scrubby COD has spammable wall hacks too? And it shares them with the other 15 players on your team? I should try COD some day. *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
poopy pantzs Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 30	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:56:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: poopy pantzs wrote: Darkstalker Astrea wrote: Active scanners are NO RISK - HIGH REWARD I think it is fair to say that the active scanner is and always has been very powerful Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans When you get stomped because everybody on the other team knows where you are, I think that's a problem. One or two players can affect the entire battle by spamming scans and you have no way of finding them I think this is also wrong. Dampeners are not very effective and few suits can get under the best (proto stomp) scans. What's interesting is active scanners are not very dynamic. It is either proto or don't bother for the most part My suggestion is to allow only one scanner to be equipped ( like the cloak) Adjust the scanners so they can only grab certain frequencies. NOT 35db all the way down to 20 db for proto Example: Scanner a- picks up between 28 - 24 db scanner b - picks up between 22 - 19 db Scanner c- picks up between 20 - 17db You could add other variants that do different things Such as vehicle scanner Cloak scrambler (insta reveal cloak in short ranges) Scan disruptor - cancels scan, effectively reducing scanned time Scan locator - when activated reveals location you were scanned from Go play COD scrubby COD has spammable wall hacks too? And it shares them with the other 15 players on your team? I should try COD some day. Heck you never know it might be more fun than sitting on the forums all day at your computer. YOU NEVER KNOW "Did you see the size of that chicken?" ------- Young Guns
DUST Fiend 16521	Posted - 2015.04.22 20:59:00 - [17] - Quote poopy pantzs wrote: Heck you never know it might be more fun than sitting on the forums all day at your computer. YOU NEVER KNOW Doubtful. And I mostly check in on you scrubs from ma phone. Just sayin' *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
Darkstalker Astrea Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:03:00 - [18] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Oh right then only allow proto reptools, hives and uplinks to support proto suits. If you dont have a proto suit you are not allowed to spawn on the proto uplink. Sounds just as stupid as your proposal. What the crap are you talking about? Proto rep tool? - doesn't scan Proto hives? - nope not a scanner Proto uplinks? - mmmm have a slight passive scan but not what I'm talking about Proto suit support? Even if I was some dev overlord and had all kinds of control I would never want suits to not have support. The active scanner is too strong imo, I think I made a good case as to why it is. My suggestion was to limit it's ability to scan almost every single suit in one snapshot I'm not reducing range or radius I'm basically making the user ask a question " which dropsuit am I most worried about " And If you said "well I can see heavies and medium suits aren't that big of a deal so I choose scout" Give yourself a cookie and grab the scanner that scans 21db - 17db (which is much lower than the current proto scanner btw)
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6010	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:11:00 - [19] - Quote Or just give Active Scanners falloff like Passive scans have. Because ya know, logic. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 360	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:14:00 - [20] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Inb4 use damps Inb4 skill Galscout Inb4 valid tactic /endthread C-C-C-C-C-Combo! The ADS tourney! Join today!
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6161	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:45:00 - [21] - Quote How about adding a wideband jammer? Jammers are very simple: They overwhelm signals with a shitload of white noise. Wideband jammers transmit over a ton of bandwidths, but have the consequence of having a massive electronic signature. This is why SMART-Ts work so well, because only a wideband jammer can jam one, and they can be easily found. This could have an electronic signature so massive that it could **** with scan results. Some details can be ignored
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1459	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:52:00 - [22] - Quote There is what, 1 scanner that basically anyone not in a heavy frame cant get under? You say low risk, high reward. Where is the risk in being invisible? Where is the reward of seeing you coming? I still have to outshoot you. Unless Im in a scout, being scanned is like "yeah, come to poppa. +50 +50 +50" 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 655	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:54:00 - [23] - Quote *is skilling Gallente Logistics to 5 and Active Scanners to 5 Well, you can always throw a scan back and kill him STD Active Scanner with Scan Profile of 46db too OP
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3671	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:56:00 - [24] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: There is what, 1 scanner that basically anyone not in a heavy frame cant get under? You say low risk, high reward. Where is the risk in being invisible? Where is the reward of seeing you coming? I still have to outshoot you. Unless Im in a scout, being scanned is like "yeah, come to poppa. +50 +50 +50" Funny you say that... In every other game, everyone is invisible to everyone, yet no one complains about that. Active scanners are a cancer, only really useful to proto stomping squads. Oh yeah, sort of like 2500 WP orbitals. Except the orbitals were nerfed -_- Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7158	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:00:00 - [25] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Inb4 use damps Inb4 skill Galscout Inb4 valid tactic /endthread Looks like I have no point in being here anymore.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1686	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:01:00 - [26] - Quote Stopped reading at "Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans". My scout begs to differ. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1459	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:41:00 - [27] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: P14GU3 wrote: There is what, 1 scanner that basically anyone not in a heavy frame cant get under? You say low risk, high reward. Where is the risk in being invisible? Where is the reward of seeing you coming? I still have to outshoot you. Unless Im in a scout, being scanned is like "yeah, come to poppa. +50 +50 +50" Funny you say that... In every other game, everyone is invisible to everyone, yet no one complains about that. Active scanners are a cancer, only really useful to proto stomping squads. Oh yeah, sort of like 2500 WP orbitals. Except the orbitals were nerfed -_- I don't know if you noticed, but this isn't CoD or battlefield... Also, shooting and such gives you away in other games. It doesn't here. Ewar overall needs a looking at. Damps are just as broken as scanners. I have both the gal-logi and gal-scout, I can verify that. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6161	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:50:00 - [28] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: There is what, 1 scanner that basically anyone not in a heavy frame cant get under? You say low risk, high reward. Where is the risk in being invisible? Where is the reward of seeing you coming? I still have to outshoot you. Unless Im in a scout, being scanned is like "yeah, come to poppa. +50 +50 +50" You see, anyone who's capitalized on a scout's passive scans is smart enough to capitalize on an active scan. Once you've been scanned, I can see exactly where you are and what direction you're facing. I can then use that info to get the jump on you or win the good old scout-made game "ring around the rosey.. of death", granted I need to be as fast as you or faster in order to win that game. If you aren't familiar with the game, it's when you and your enemy are both running around a big box and can't see each other. Essentially a big mind game of trying to set yourself up to come up behind your opponent. Being in a superior scanning position (generally scanning your opponent without them scanning you) makes the game very easy to win. Some details can be ignored
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1085	Posted - 2015.04.22 23:08:00 - [29] - Quote poopy pantzs wrote: Darkstalker Astrea wrote: Active scanners are NO RISK - HIGH REWARD I think it is fair to say that the active scanner is and always has been very powerful Talk of balance and matchmaking has avoided active/passive scans When you get stomped because everybody on the other team knows where you are, I think that's a problem. One or two players can affect the entire battle by spamming scans and you have no way of finding them I think this is also wrong. Dampeners are not very effective and few suits can get under the best (proto stomp) scans. What's interesting is active scanners are not very dynamic. It is either proto or don't bother for the most part My suggestion is to allow only one scanner to be equipped ( like the cloak) Adjust the scanners so they can only grab certain frequencies. NOT 35db all the way down to 20 db for proto Example: Scanner a- picks up between 28 - 24 db scanner b - picks up between 22 - 19 db Scanner c- picks up between 20 - 17db You could add other variants that do different things Such as vehicle scanner Cloak scrambler (insta reveal cloak in short ranges) Scan disruptor - cancels scan, effectively reducing scanned time Scan locator - when activated reveals location you were scanned from Go play COD scrubby Really? Cos permascan wallhacks arent scrubby. At least you have to EARN that **** as a killstreak reward in COD.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10249	Posted - 2015.04.23 00:06:00 - [30] - Quote Everyone who has posted here is poorer than me. Fact Carry on citizens *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*

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