DUST Search - What is the talk about new skins?

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Eruditus 920 wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Eruditus 920 wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles.

Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles".

If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is.

Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me.

You're right, they're adding variants of Caldari and Gallente vehicles that will perform exactly as an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle would perform, have Amarr and Minmatar slot layouts, Amarr and Minmatar base stats, have the color of an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle, and be named in a fashion that is Amarr and Minmatar. However, because the actual shape of the HAV is not different, they are most definitely nothing like Amarr and Minmatar vehicles would be. Roll

Glad you are happy with it then.

Expect little, get little.

I simply call it like I see it.

Proof that indeed despite all rationality, some people would prefer to have nothing over something. Big smile

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bathtubist TRUE SAVAGES Learning Alliance 92	Posted - 2015.04.19 23:29:00 - [1] - Quote im hearing u guys talk about them left and right it's just more cosmetic stuff or a overhaul for diffrent ways for all the factions Light, Medium and heavy factions look? or just both? NERF THE RE'S Gallente logi ftw
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 979	Posted - 2015.04.19 23:32:00 - [2] - Quote They made gold and orange HAVs PIE Lasers4life "See these marks... Don't overheat your gun"
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6094	Posted - 2015.04.20 00:06:00 - [3] - Quote As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Some details can be ignored
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1676	Posted - 2015.04.20 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Mobius Wyvern Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6140	Posted - 2015.04.20 00:13:00 - [5] - Quote bathtubist wrote: im hearing u guys talk about them left and right it's just more cosmetic stuff or a overhaul for diffrent ways for all the factions Light, Medium and heavy factions look? or just both? The SKINs is that we'll now have cosmetic paintjobs that we an apply to our suits. This will apparently also allow for higher framerates because it simplifies the way that suits are rendered. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
bathtubist TRUE SAVAGES Learning Alliance 92	Posted - 2015.04.20 00:20:00 - [6] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: bathtubist wrote: im hearing u guys talk about them left and right it's just more cosmetic stuff or a overhaul for diffrent ways for all the factions Light, Medium and heavy factions look? or just both? The SKINs is that we'll now have cosmetic paintjobs that we an apply to our suits. This will apparently also allow for higher framerates because it simplifies the way that suits are rendered. coo NERF THE RE'S Gallente logi ftw
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5945	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:14:00 - [7] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. You're right, they're adding variants of Caldari and Gallente vehicles that will perform exactly as an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle would perform, have Amarr and Minmatar slot layouts, Amarr and Minmatar base stats, have the color of an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle, and be named in a fashion that is Amarr and Minmatar. However, because the actual shape of the HAV is not different, they are most definitely nothing like Amarr and Minmatar vehicles would be. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3114	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:17:00 - [8] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. As Pokey sarcastically pointed out, you're a dipshit. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18363	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:20:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. You're right, they're adding variants of Caldari and Gallente vehicles that will perform exactly as an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle would perform, have Amarr and Minmatar slot layouts, Amarr and Minmatar base stats, have the color of an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle, and be named in a fashion that is Amarr and Minmatar. However, because the actual shape of the HAV is not different, they are most definitely nothing like Amarr and Minmatar vehicles would be. A hero. Not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed. Nothing less than a knight. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1676	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:34:00 - [10] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. You're right, they're adding variants of Caldari and Gallente vehicles that will perform exactly as an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle would perform, have Amarr and Minmatar slot layouts, Amarr and Minmatar base stats, have the color of an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle, and be named in a fashion that is Amarr and Minmatar. However, because the actual shape of the HAV is not different, they are most definitely nothing like Amarr and Minmatar vehicles would be. Glad you are happy with it then. Expect little, get little. I simply call it like I see it. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5947	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:39:00 - [11] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. You're right, they're adding variants of Caldari and Gallente vehicles that will perform exactly as an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle would perform, have Amarr and Minmatar slot layouts, Amarr and Minmatar base stats, have the color of an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle, and be named in a fashion that is Amarr and Minmatar. However, because the actual shape of the HAV is not different, they are most definitely nothing like Amarr and Minmatar vehicles would be. Glad you are happy with it then. Expect little, get little. I simply call it like I see it. Proof that indeed despite all rationality, some people would prefer to have nothing over something. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9551	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:39:00 - [12] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. You're right, they're adding variants of Caldari and Gallente vehicles that will perform exactly as an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle would perform, have Amarr and Minmatar slot layouts, Amarr and Minmatar base stats, have the color of an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle, and be named in a fashion that is Amarr and Minmatar. However, because the actual shape of the HAV is not different, they are most definitely nothing like Amarr and Minmatar vehicles would be. Glad you are happy with it then. Expect little, get little. I simply call it like I see it. Why don't you expect 64 v 64 at 1080p and 60 FPS for Dust and see what that gets you... There is a difference between having arbitrarily low expectations and being reasonable. I think this tank addition is reasonable. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5948	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:41:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Why don't you expect 64 v 64 at 1080p and 60 FPS for Dust and see what that gets you... There is a difference between having arbitrarily low expectations and being reasonable. I think this tank addition is reasonable. I dunno man, every little girl who has asked for a pony for her birthday has always gotten one. Fact. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1677	Posted - 2015.04.20 01:53:00 - [14] - Quote I would prefer it be done right, or not at all. I would prefer CCP to show a little pride for a change. They tend to always do things half assed, and from reading some of these posts, it's clear why. The players don't demand any better. Why do so many two year old bugs persist? Because the players accept it as "oh, it's just CCP". The 2d Warbarge was only as good as it had to be to get by. Everyone just accepts it. Look, I don't really care that much anymore. I play DUST to have a little fun. If everyone really believe we are getting "new" vehicles, then I think that is wonderful. But don't tell me they are new, and that I am somehow wrong for not falling in line and calling mediocrity excellence. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18365	Posted - 2015.04.20 02:00:00 - [15] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I would prefer it be done right, or not at all. I would prefer CCP to show a little pride for a change. They tend to always do things half assed, and from reading some of these posts, it's clear why. The players don't demand any better. Why do so many two year old bugs persist? Because the players accept it as "oh, it's just CCP". The 2d Warbarge was only as good as it had to be to get by. Everyone just accepts it. Look, I don't really care that much anymore. I play DUST to have a little fun. If everyone really believe we are getting "new" vehicles, then I think that is wonderful. But don't tell me they are new, and that I am somehow wrong for not falling in line and calling mediocrity excellence. We did demand better. At thing point I genuinely don't think anyone cares too much about these continuing shenanigans and really can't be bothered getting emotionally invested. Am I disappointed there are no unique Racial AM/MIN hulls? Yes more than I'll ever let on, being one of the loudest voices for getting these in the game, but am I willing to look a gift horse in the mouth? Nope. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2098	Posted - 2015.04.20 02:03:00 - [16] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I would prefer it be done right, or not at all. I would prefer CCP to show a little pride for a change. They tend to always do things half assed, and from reading some of these posts, it's clear why. The players don't demand any better. Why do so many two year old bugs persist? Because the players accept it as "oh, it's just CCP". The 2d Warbarge was only as good as it had to be to get by. Everyone just accepts it. Look, I don't really care that much anymore. I play DUST to have a little fun. If everyone really believe we are getting "new" vehicles, then I think that is wonderful. But don't tell me they are new, and that I am somehow wrong for not falling in line and calling mediocrity excellence. CCPs pride got us "walking in stations" promises and 'Legion', with their subsequent riots. The only reason theyre not 'new' for you is cause the non-existing dust art department hssnt cranked out the new models and animations. You must be so disappointed you get a raise at work, expecting a promotion and a company car instead. Does it suck? Yes. Are we mad? Yeeeuuup Do we understand this is all the can literally do for this situation at this point in time? I do. Do people like you cause me to drink? ...hic I have cows that show more intelligence than some of you.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3177	Posted - 2015.04.20 02:10:00 - [17] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: bathtubist wrote: im hearing u guys talk about them left and right it's just more cosmetic stuff or a overhaul for diffrent ways for all the factions Light, Medium and heavy factions look? or just both? The SKINs is that we'll now have cosmetic paintjobs that we an apply to our suits. This will apparently also allow for higher framerates because it simplifies the way that suits are rendered. You're just carrying on and on now. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11525	Posted - 2015.04.20 03:53:00 - [18] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. Technically they are not adding more vehicles, but they are adding "placeholders" for those missing racial vehicles using Gallente/Caldari HAV models but with stats intended for the Minmatar/Amarr HAV models. This is primarily because CCP Rattati doesn't have either the time or manpower available to give us the actual models. EDIT: I do not like this any more than you or CEOPyrex do in regards to lazy game design, but I'm a realist and I understand that we can't have what we dreamed of due to limited resources that are likely beyond CCP Rattati's control. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11525	Posted - 2015.04.20 04:14:00 - [19] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I would prefer it be done right, or not at all. I would prefer CCP to show a little pride for a change. They tend to always do things half assed, and from reading some of these posts, it's clear why. The players don't demand any better. Why do so many two year old bugs persist? Because the players accept it as "oh, it's just CCP". The 2d Warbarge was only as good as it had to be to get by. Everyone just accepts it. Look, I don't really care that much anymore. I play DUST to have a little fun. If everyone really believe we are getting "new" vehicles, then I think that is wonderful. But don't tell me they are new, and that I am somehow wrong for not falling in line and calling mediocrity excellence. 1st Point - CCP tried that already. It caused Dust to be extremely delayed and nearly killed Dust at its infancy. Believe me. 2nd Point - They did back in 2011. It went to their heads which resulted in Incarna and the Jita Riots. 3rd Point - That much is true. 4th Point - Also true. We should not always be accepting half-assed stuff being added and keep pressing CCP to do better. But again, I have to be a realist here. Given Rattati's limited resources, do you honestly believe we would be getting something better in the immediate future? 5th Point - Bad legacy code which is beyond Rattati's control. I don't blame Rattati or his team for this. I blame the previous team for this. 6th Point - I agree. But unless you can somehow convince CEO Hilmar to devote maybe an extra dev or two towards expanding the warbarge into something worthwhile, I don't see the 2D warbarge becoming anything more than 2D. 7th Point - ok? 8th Point - I hope that's not what everyone thinks. I don't generally count these as new vehicles as they are just placeholders. But beggars can't be choosers I guess. 9th Point - Agreed. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Raiden246 Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2015.04.20 04:24:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As we asked IN CLOSED BETA, they're adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles (HAVs for sure, not sure about the rest) by reskinning Gallente and Caldari vehicles. Bob, let's be very clear, they are NOT "adding Minmatar and Amarr vehicles". If you want to get excited about this, great, but don't make it more than what it is. Sometimes I wonder if everyone here is on CCP's payroll but me. You're right, they're adding variants of Caldari and Gallente vehicles that will perform exactly as an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle would perform, have Amarr and Minmatar slot layouts, Amarr and Minmatar base stats, have the color of an Amarr and Minmatar vehicle, and be named in a fashion that is Amarr and Minmatar. However, because the actual shape of the HAV is not different, they are most definitely nothing like Amarr and Minmatar vehicles would be. Glad you are happy with it then. Expect little, get little. I simply call it like I see it. Proof that indeed despite all rationality, some people would prefer to have nothing over something. Proof that morons will expect little from CCP, and allow them to be lazy with adding new features to the game. How hard is it to add a different vehicle design? But of course you'll sit here and act like a RESKIN is some widely acceptable thing for a dev team to do. Started playing 1/26/13 -Quafe Ambassador

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18368	Posted - 2015.04.20 04:40:00 - [21] - Quote Raiden246 wrote: Proof that morons will expect little from CCP, and allow them to be lazy with adding new features to the game. How hard is it to add a different vehicle design? But of course you'll sit here and act like a RESKIN is some widely acceptable thing for a dev team to do. What do you propose we do that we haven't already done? You have all the answers don't you? Petition CCP? Done that. Bug them in the IRC Coldfront Chat and Trello Boards? Get with the times buddy. Irritate the developers in a near bi-annular basis with a self bumped thread? C'mon man I've been there and done that. Whined in threads that have had nothing to do with Vehicles about racial tanks? Uh....wait let me check my posting history. What more could you or I hope to do to convince them than they should give up on implementing placeholder tanks, hire on or re-assign a 3d modeller, and programme in new vehicles for a game that is for all intents and purposes not worth their time on a console who's playstation network support might be pulled later this year? GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 507	Posted - 2015.04.20 06:03:00 - [22] - Quote Even in upset about the "new" HAVs. They already released pics of the other racial vehicles. Dunno why they didn't actually release said vehicles Reloading, the silent killer.


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