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fish sticks24 Eternal Beings 5	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:50:00 - [1] - Quote Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. -fishing for blood-
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2606	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:53:00 - [2] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound RUST415 292	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:55:00 - [3] - Quote iws said there out of room but DCU has more skills and stuff soo they might have a memory leak. not sure whats going on. asian haters united lol .
fish sticks24 Eternal Beings 5	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:57:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. Why put new content in the game if they can even make it well and pretty sure they could use money to develop it and get a 3d modeller.....I'm not being ungrateful I'm just one person who actual knows what it mean to develop a game , not reskinning everything -fishing for blood-
Denchlad 7 Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2073	Posted - 2015.04.19 12:59:00 - [5] - Quote See here forum dwellers, we can see a specimen of "forum noob" who is too dense to use their brain and workout the logic behind this decision, and that they are placeholders for future updates. Lrn 2 youse ur brayn fgt "Dench stop hitting your head you Caldari pinball" - m6 Currently on Dust hiatus.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 630	Posted - 2015.04.19 13:02:00 - [6] - Quote Good job CCP for not being able to hire a graphics design guy who can do several things in one day. The State will always survive.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2609	Posted - 2015.04.19 13:03:00 - [7] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: Why put new content in the game if they can even make it well and pretty sure they could use money to develop it and get a 3d modeller.....I'm not being ungrateful I'm just one person who actual knows what it mean to develop a game , not reskinning everything READ THE THIRD AND FOURTH POINTS. THEY ARE CAPPING OUT ON MEMORY. And no, I sincerely doubt you have any clue about what it means to develop a game, but hey, I'll ask just in case: How many games / apps have you personally developed? How many gaming projects / teams / companies have you been employed with? What's your knowledge as a programmer? How good are you with the hardware? Have you ever worked in a capacity similar to the cpm? I'm going to guess that the answers to a lot of these won't reflect kindly on you, so please shut up with the moronic "I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO *DEVELOP* A GAME", because its self-aggrandizing crap where you try to create a moral high-ground for yourself to stand on while spouting petty nonsense. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
VAHZZ Arrary of Clusters 1444	Posted - 2015.04.19 13:05:00 - [8] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: I'm not being ungrateful I'm just one person who actual knows what it mean to develop a game , not reskinning everything Make a better game, if you know better than CCP. Use that knowledge of what it means to develop a game, and actually develop one. Do it. Go on. Make a MMO like this on the PS3. You fail to realize, that the ps3 is limited to hell. We can't add in anymore **** because we have hardly anymore memory. CCP has hit a wall and need to move the game. I will follow it wherever it goes. But please, do research before you post. And stop being ungrateful. If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 315	Posted - 2015.04.19 13:58:00 - [9] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: l I'm just one person who actual knows what it mean to develop a game , not reskinning everything A fitting reaction Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Mobius Wyvern Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6112	Posted - 2015.04.19 14:38:00 - [10] - Quote I don't know why I'm posting here, since you don't seem to have any interest in listening to any of us, but the way the game was previously designed leaves it hitting the limits of the PS3's very limited RAM and VRAM, which are each only 256 MB. This new method they are deploying of re-skinning assets instead of putting in an entirely new asset that is effectively the same model but with a different paintjob should allow for more FPS and POSSIBLY reduce some of the memory consumption which would allow the actual vehicles and turrets to come in at a later date. tl;dr stop ****posting and look before you post I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha

fish sticks24 Eternal Beings 7	Posted - 2015.04.19 14:45:00 - [11] - Quote Okay I was wrong , I didn't know all of the issues...you guys win -fishing for blood-
Middas Betancore 526	Posted - 2015.04.19 14:49:00 - [12] - Quote Am I missing something, did we getz skins today? Onnamon 4-State Protectorate Logistics Support- Caldari State Peacekeepers
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6084	Posted - 2015.04.19 14:59:00 - [13] - Quote Placeholders are actually something that the players pushed for since closed beta. The devs finally gave in. Some details can be ignored
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6084	Posted - 2015.04.19 15:02:00 - [14] - Quote Middas Betancore wrote: Am I missing something, did we getz skins today? CCP announced a while back that they're adding minmatar and amarr vehicles (and turrets, I believe, but that may just be a reskin and nothing else) However, minmatar will just be reskinned caldari while amarr is just reskinned gallente. Caldari HAVs always looked more minmatar anyway. Some details can be ignored
Mobius Wyvern Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6113	Posted - 2015.04.19 15:03:00 - [15] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Placeholders are actually something that the players pushed for since closed beta. The devs finally gave in. Another good point to make sure everyone sees. This is not CCP being lazy. WE pushed for this for months. This is emblematic of CCP Rattati listening to us more than anyone else we've dealt with so far. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
Indianna Pwns Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2015.04.19 16:36:00 - [16] - Quote Who exactly is 'WE THE COMMUNITY'? I certainly don't remember ever begging for placeholders. My issue is that once placeholders are put in new 3D models will never arrive. The devs will no longer see completing the racial lineup as a priority and these 'placeholders' will be all we ever get. The devs shouldn't add things in the game unless they can be proud to so so and we as players should accept nothing less. The vocal minority who shout loudest on these forums will do well to remember that the are only part of this community and not THE community. I feel that CCP need to be reminded of this when listening to the vocal few on these forums.
Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 381	Posted - 2015.04.19 16:46:00 - [17] - Quote You can really tell who on these forums have spent their formative years being asked what they want for dinner every night. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
DiablosMajora 101	Posted - 2015.04.19 17:40:00 - [18] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: You can really tell who on these forums have spent their formative years being asked what they want for dinner every night. I asked myself that very question last night, and so I made chicken piccata with a lemon cream sauce Prepare your angus
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8161	Posted - 2015.04.19 17:44:00 - [19] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: Bremen van Equis wrote: You can really tell who on these forums have spent their formative years being asked what they want for dinner every night. I asked myself that very question last night, and so I made chicken piccata with a lemon cream sauce What would you like for dinner tonight? Trick question. you will eat the fking ramen and like it. AV
Mobius Wyvern Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6123	Posted - 2015.04.19 17:47:00 - [20] - Quote Indianna Pwns wrote: Who exactly is 'WE THE COMMUNITY'? I certainly don't remember ever begging for placeholders. My issue is that once placeholders are put in new 3D models will never arrive. The devs will no longer see completing the racial lineup as a priority and these 'placeholders' will be all we ever get. The devs shouldn't add things in the game unless they can be proud to so so and we as players should accept nothing less. The vocal minority who shout loudest on these forums will do well to remember that the are only part of this community and not THE community. I feel that CCP need to be reminded of this when listening to the vocal few on these forums. Okay, let me stop you right there. The point of putting in Placeholders is so that they can hold a place. The "vocal minority" is not working against what everyone else wants here. In case you didn't notice, the thread where CCP Rattati posted the images of the re-skins was almost entirely filled with positive responses. If you're going to claim that every single one of those people was somehow part of this "vocal minority" you speak of than I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. These re-skinned vehicles will allow for Minmatar and Amarr players to have something aimed at their racial playstyle to use up until the actual models for them and new weapons for them can be introduced. Having the placeholders put into the game is absolutely better than having nothing at all for anyone who plays Minmatar or Amarr up until the models can finally be put into the game. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4371	Posted - 2015.04.19 17:49:00 - [21] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: Who exactly is 'WE THE COMMUNITY'? I certainly don't remember ever begging for placeholders. My issue is that once placeholders are put in new 3D models will never arrive. The devs will no longer see completing the racial lineup as a priority and these 'placeholders' will be all we ever get. The devs shouldn't add things in the game unless they can be proud to so so and we as players should accept nothing less. The vocal minority who shout loudest on these forums will do well to remember that the are only part of this community and not THE community. I feel that CCP need to be reminded of this when listening to the vocal few on these forums. Okay, let me stop you right there. The point of putting in Placeholders is so that they can hold a place. The "vocal minority" is not working against what everyone else wants here. In case you didn't notice, the thread where CCP Rattati posted the images of the re-skins was almost entirely filled with positive responses. If you're going to claim that every single one of those people was somehow part of this "vocal minority" you speak of than I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. These re-skinned vehicles will allow for Minmatar and Amarr players to have something aimed at their racial playstyle to use up until the actual models for them and new weapons for them can be introduced. Having the placeholders put into the game is absolutely better than having nothing at all for anyone who plays Minmatar or Amarr up until the models can finally be put into the game. These are the moments when I need to get my "Dev Haxs" skill leveled up higher so I can like a post more than once. CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6086	Posted - 2015.04.19 17:54:00 - [22] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Placeholders are actually something that the players pushed for since closed beta. The devs finally gave in. Another good point to make sure everyone sees. This is not CCP being lazy. WE pushed for this for months. This is emblematic of CCP Rattati listening to us more than anyone else we've dealt with so far. Months? We pushed it for YEARS Some details can be ignored
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19334	Posted - 2015.04.19 18:00:00 - [23] - Quote Just because you disagree with it doesn't suddenly make you the 'entire' community. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1136	Posted - 2015.04.19 18:07:00 - [24] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. XD Memor issues bshates again. Yup NONSENCE How is possible (for example) borderlands can generate bazilions of combination in weaponry? How battlefield can have destroyable engine? OPTIMIZATION nothing else. All bullshates about memory are just excuses. And everyone who think otherwise should take look how its work. "Sebiestor Hetzer*"
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1368	Posted - 2015.04.19 18:10:00 - [25] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. XD Memor issues bshates again. Yup NONSENCE How is possible (for example) borderlands can generate bazilions of combination in weaponry? How battlefield can have destroyable engine? OPTIMIZATION nothing else. All bullshates about memory are just excuses. And everyone who think otherwise should take look how its work. That and we dont have enough rescources I know* you wan't it *(a+ç -á° -ƒ+ä-£ -í°)a+ç*
Xmar Handfelid FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 51	Posted - 2015.04.19 18:20:00 - [26] - Quote Here somthing that should happen Just make actul race tanks that are diffrent in design instead of just lazy reskins CCP should start taking more chances because they are playing TO SAFE my take longer but in the end it will greatly pay. *Jimmies status*- Unrustled
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19335	Posted - 2015.04.19 19:26:00 - [27] - Quote Also note that we likely don't have the tank art assests finished nor the time to rig up their physics if we make them too unique which would barely change the accusation of a 'reskin' one can easily argue the two tanks we have now are 'reskins' of each other. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
DiablosMajora 103	Posted - 2015.04.19 20:07:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: Bremen van Equis wrote: You can really tell who on these forums have spent their formative years being asked what they want for dinner every night. I asked myself that very question last night, and so I made chicken piccata with a lemon cream sauce What would you like for dinner tonight? Trick question. you will eat the fking ramen and like it. Nah brah, making some semi-sweet chocolate chip banana pot muffins :3~ Prepare your angus
Mobius Wyvern Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6128	Posted - 2015.04.19 20:08:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also note that we likely don't have the tank art assests finished nor the time to rig up their physics if we make them too unique which would barely change the accusation of a 'reskin' one can easily argue the two tanks we have now are 'reskins' of each other. I'm not entirely sure this post is helpful. Seems more like a "fanning the flames" kind of thing. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 384	Posted - 2015.04.19 20:09:00 - [30] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: Nah brah, making some semi-sweet chocolate chip banana pot muffins :3~ Just a spoonful of medicine helps that sugar go down... Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8165	Posted - 2015.04.19 20:24:00 - [31] - Quote Indianna Pwns wrote: Who exactly is 'WE THE COMMUNITY'? I certainly don't remember ever begging for placeholders. My issue is that once placeholders are put in new 3D models will never arrive. The devs will no longer see completing the racial lineup as a priority and these 'placeholders' will be all we ever get. The devs shouldn't add things in the game unless they can be proud to so so and we as players should accept nothing less. The vocal minority who shout loudest on these forums will do well to remember that the are only part of this community and not THE community. I feel that CCP need to be reminded of this when listening to the vocal few on these forums. Vocal "minority" my ass. AV
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18349	Posted - 2015.04.19 21:32:00 - [32] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: Who exactly is 'WE THE COMMUNITY'? I certainly don't remember ever begging for placeholders. My issue is that once placeholders are put in new 3D models will never arrive. The devs will no longer see completing the racial lineup as a priority and these 'placeholders' will be all we ever get. The devs shouldn't add things in the game unless they can be proud to so so and we as players should accept nothing less. The vocal minority who shout loudest on these forums will do well to remember that the are only part of this community and not THE community. I feel that CCP need to be reminded of this when listening to the vocal few on these forums. Vocal "minority" my ass. HTFU you are NOT, I repeat NOT, taking Amarr tanks away from me for any reason. Place holders or individual models they need to be added at some point and right now without the capability to produce unique models place holders are all we can ask for. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11520	Posted - 2015.04.19 21:38:00 - [33] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. Why put new content in the game if they can even make it well and pretty sure they could use money to develop it and get a 3d modeller.....I'm not being ungrateful I'm just one person who actual knows what it mean to develop a game , not reskinning everything You have to see reality. As of right now, I'm not even sure if CEO Hilmar even sees Dust worth putting more manpower into it than it already has. Which is why some of us are taking it upon ourselves to spend more money on this game to show CCP that this game is worth adding at least a couple of more devs to it. I also want to see legit-looking Amarr and Minmatar tank models like you do, but we're not going to see any of that if we don't convince CCP to put more people into developing the game further and at the very least moving it over to the PS4. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 319	Posted - 2015.04.19 21:38:00 - [34] - Quote Placeholders are much better than no tanks at all in my opinion. Sure it's a gold gallente HAV but it's something. Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11520	Posted - 2015.04.19 21:44:00 - [35] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Placeholders are actually something that the players pushed for since closed beta. The devs finally gave in. Another good point to make sure everyone sees. This is not CCP being lazy. WE pushed for this for months. This is emblematic of CCP Rattati listening to us more than anyone else we've dealt with so far. Months? We pushed it for YEARS Practically since closed beta. It's amazing how people forget in a span of a couple of years. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4494	Posted - 2015.04.19 22:51:00 - [36] - Quote Memory issues? Well how about it if you cut the 600 miles of redline off the map? Im sure we dont need that much of space that we cant access anyway. Ya know if we are not supposed to go there why put it there in the first place? And with "there" i mean the no mans land. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6093	Posted - 2015.04.19 23:06:00 - [37] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Placeholders are actually something that the players pushed for since closed beta. The devs finally gave in. Another good point to make sure everyone sees. This is not CCP being lazy. WE pushed for this for months. This is emblematic of CCP Rattati listening to us more than anyone else we've dealt with so far. Months? We pushed it for YEARS Practically since closed beta. It's amazing how people forget in a span of a couple of years. I'm pretty sure we asked for placeholders for absolutely everything since closed beta. Some details can be ignored
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11522	Posted - 2015.04.19 23:34:00 - [38] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Placeholders are actually something that the players pushed for since closed beta. The devs finally gave in. Another good point to make sure everyone sees. This is not CCP being lazy. WE pushed for this for months. This is emblematic of CCP Rattati listening to us more than anyone else we've dealt with so far. Months? We pushed it for YEARS Practically since closed beta. It's amazing how people forget in a span of a couple of years. I'm pretty sure we asked for placeholders for absolutely everything since closed beta. Nova knife placeholders.... such fond memories of this topic. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
IVIaster LUKE Art.of.Death 797	Posted - 2015.04.19 23:59:00 - [39] - Quote Red Bull tank skin. Make it happen CCP. Ahh ha! No wonder this clone was cheap. looks down =ƒöì Small penis.
Mobius Wyvern Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6140	Posted - 2015.04.20 00:00:00 - [40] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Memory issues? Well how about it if you cut the 600 miles of redline off the map? Im sure we dont need that much of space that we cant access anyway. Ya know if we are not supposed to go there why put it there in the first place? And with "there" i mean the no mans land. IWS was saying on Skype that this would involve recooking the maps, which is beyond the range of what the current team can do in a reasonable timeframe. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha

postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1136	Posted - 2015.04.20 15:34:00 - [41] - Quote Golden Day wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. XD Memor issues bshates again. Yup NONSENCE How is possible (for example) borderlands can generate bazilions of combination in weaponry? How battlefield can have destroyable engine? OPTIMIZATION nothing else. All bullshates about memory are just excuses. And everyone who think otherwise should take look how its work. That and we dont have enough rescources Trust me, they have enough to cover new implements, they just want to spend it somewhere else. Nothing else. "CCP - Cannot Code Properly*"
JAKE REDBLOOD T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 62	Posted - 2015.04.20 15:48:00 - [42] - Quote You see, here's the thing. I would rather wait for 'real' racial tanks. Instead of get something that I could've personally done myself. The thing is with the forums, is that all the CCP fan boys don't like it when someone says something that might offend CCP. For me personally, I think it's lazy... In CCP's mind they've said to themselves 'they wanted racial tanks, so that's what we will give them'. If this game is 'a nice little cash earner' Why not put some ******* money into developing the game/ get some decent coders! This game has a lot of issues, we don't need to add unnecessary things into the game which could potentially break it even more.... My YouTube Channel
Slave of MORTE 395	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:26:00 - [43] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. Thank you MINA as always you rob me of the need to give input I'm her slave because amarrians are the best in the sheets #stamina
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9463	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:39:00 - [44] - Quote JAKE REDBLOOD wrote: You see, here's the thing. I would rather wait for 'real' racial tanks. Other players aren't you. I've wanted an Amarr tank since launch day. I will accept a reskin, quite happily. I am pretty sure that the people complaining about HAV reskins are not the majority of players. @Ripley_Riley
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 609	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:47:00 - [45] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Bit behind the times on it aren't you? 1) Racial tanks desperately needed to be added for amarr & min 2) We asked for placeholder tanks that accurately represent the stats of each race 3) I'm not aware of anyone that's actually doing 3d modeling on the dust 514 team 4) Even if they had a 3d modeller at the moment, they're facing memory issues on the hardware (aka, your ps3 melts when trying to run the game). 5) Quit being an ungrateful snot that something is actually being developed and worked on just because it doesn't have something shiny attached to it. Why put new content in the game if they can even make it well and pretty sure they could use money to develop it and get a 3d modeller.....I'm not being ungrateful I'm just one person who actual knows what it mean to develop a game , not reskinning everything Most people usually don't even care about looks. The. Power player bunch just cares about performance. That's why they chase FotM. Otherwise, the rest of us want performance, but for the sake of the gear performing appropriately to the race. If the turret can sound and fire like a laser and the tank has capabilities of the race then great! Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3177	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:48:00 - [46] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Placeholders are actually something that the players pushed for since closed beta. The devs finally gave in. Another good point to make sure everyone sees. This is not CCP being lazy. WE pushed for this for months. This is emblematic of CCP Rattati listening to us more than anyone else we've dealt with so far. Months ago? Closed beta was about 3 years ago. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8169	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:50:00 - [47] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: Who exactly is 'WE THE COMMUNITY'? I certainly don't remember ever begging for placeholders. My issue is that once placeholders are put in new 3D models will never arrive. The devs will no longer see completing the racial lineup as a priority and these 'placeholders' will be all we ever get. The devs shouldn't add things in the game unless they can be proud to so so and we as players should accept nothing less. The vocal minority who shout loudest on these forums will do well to remember that the are only part of this community and not THE community. I feel that CCP need to be reminded of this when listening to the vocal few on these forums. Vocal "minority" my ass. HTFU you are NOT, I repeat NOT, taking Amarr tanks away from me for any reason. Place holders or individual models they need to be added at some point and right now without the capability to produce unique models place holders are all we can ask for. I leave this thread in your tender care, Adamance. Kill them. AV
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3177	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:51:00 - [48] - Quote Indianna Pwns wrote: Who exactly is 'WE THE COMMUNITY'? I certainly don't remember ever begging for placeholders. My issue is that once placeholders are put in new 3D models will never arrive. The devs will no longer see completing the racial lineup as a priority and these 'placeholders' will be all we ever get. The devs shouldn't add things in the game unless they can be proud to so so and we as players should accept nothing less. The vocal minority who shout loudest on these forums will do well to remember that the are only part of this community and not THE community. I feel that CCP need to be reminded of this when listening to the vocal few on these forums. What minority are you talking about? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3177	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:54:00 - [49] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: How is possible (for example) borderlands can generate bazilions of combination in weaponry? How battlefield can have destroyable engine? OPTIMIZATION nothing else. All bullshates about memory are just excuses. And everyone who think otherwise should take look how its work. Battlefield is a very, very, very poor example of a "destructible" environment. If you want to see a real destructible environment, check out Red Faction: Guerrilla. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
DUST Fiend 16453	Posted - 2015.04.20 16:59:00 - [50] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Good job CCP for not being able to hire a graphics design guy Went ahead and fixed that for you *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6315	Posted - 2015.04.20 17:09:00 - [51] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: Good job ccp for being so lazy that you can't even design a tank for this game. Someone is out of touch and has no idea of what is happening or why. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6315	Posted - 2015.04.20 17:17:00 - [52] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: Okay I was wrong , I didn't know all of the issues...you guys win If you were the first guy to make a post like this, the forums would have treated you more gently. Unfortunately for you, you were not the first to make such statements and the patience of those who are following recent developments is waring thin. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 626	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:12:00 - [53] - Quote This is just the last in a string of bad decisions thats preventing CCP from making a good game here. 1. Deciding to put this on the PS3. This was some upper level corporate donkey who wanted to "leverage synergies" and all kinds of dumb **, I guarantee it. Someone got a hold on some guy at Sony who wanted to bring more games to PSN, and they gave Dust 514 a sweetheart deal. And this is what we end up with. A game built on a machine at the end of its lifecycle, thats showing its age and should never have been chosen as the platform for a forward looking game that was going to be expanded and developed as a kind of open sandbox MMO shooter game. Guess what, the PS3 cant handle that, so what we get instead is a lobby shooter. Im not even going to list all the other problems with the game, since they all pretty much extend from that first misstep. Its just sad that we cant even get 3D models for the new tanks, because thats something even amateur game moders can do for free in their mom's basement. Meanwhile we still dont have a full array of scrambler pistols, we still dont have any anti armor tactical rifles, we still dont have breach and burst scramblers, we still dont have burst rail rifles, and so on and so forth, all this would take like an hour or two of work each, all the models are already in game, its just *** lazyness and lack of vision thats hurting this game. The magsec and ion pistol still suck, breach rail rifle is broken and crap compared to other rifles, scrambler is OP (but hey at least they aknowledge it now and might fix it), shield dropsuits suck nuts compared to armor ones, and so on and so forth. Don't get me wrong, Ill sing praises to rattati and the dev team for what they have done so far, because they've really been doing the best they can recently with the hand they've been dealt, and this game is fun when the matchmaking isnt making every game 8v14 and disconnecting you or however it decides to screw you over this time, but come on. There's still some really lazy ** going on with the development of this game, and its pretty sad. So fine, we'll get some tanks, I guess thats cool. Whatever. Its not like it makes a difference which invincible death machine is shooting at me and making it so I wish swarm launchers still worked without having to get 3+ people to use them to get anything done. I guess the point is when you see someone complaining about the new tanks not having new models, just remember its not just this one thing they are really complaining about, its a whole series of things that makes this one thing the straw that broke the camel's back for them.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19339	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:37:00 - [54] - Quote I would also like to remind players that Dust 514's database is structured entirely differently from so many games. Borderlands may have bajillion guns. You can only have 100 or so stored at any given time. Dust 514 has currently no upper limit known yet. We're likely to hit eve limits though when it comes time but we're far from that atm. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 326	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:39:00 - [55] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would also like to remind players that Dust 514's database is structured entirely differently from so many games. Borderlands may have bajillion guns. You can only have 100 or so stored at any given time. Dust 514 has currently no upper limit known yet. We're likely to hit eve limits though when it comes time but we're far from that atm. I'd rather have 100 different guns than 700 variants of the same guns Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19339	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:50:00 - [56] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would also like to remind players that Dust 514's database is structured entirely differently from so many games. Borderlands may have bajillion guns. You can only have 100 or so stored at any given time. Dust 514 has currently no upper limit known yet. We're likely to hit eve limits though when it comes time but we're far from that atm. I'd rather have 100 different guns than 700 variants of the same guns Depends on how you stack your database; some games don't have more than one gun and just have variations on the model and stats but all stemming from the same family. Older games are not likely to have this kind of db family stacking though and have individual pages for each weapon. Newer games however do the family stacking so that it becomes easier to define not only a whole group but modify the entire tree or branches of that tree at a time; IE nerf all semi-auto rifles the same would be simply going into the semi-auto rifle branch and changing the attribute there. Then you check the end 'leaves' of the branch to make sure you didn't break anything. Eve's database (and to an extent ours) is very similar on this concept; An entry for a Thorax includes; The Blueprint, Blueprint original, produced item when packaged, produced item when unpacked, and all tech 2 and pilot variations and their blueprints and the likes on one page. Instead of 30 or so. This can cause some problems because every item in the game is treated in this manner. Random space rock? Blueprint for that too. Missile fired from your launcher? Blueprint for that specific instance of that time as well. (this has been seemingly fixed I cannot target missiles anymore and it caused immense amount of lag) but say you want to nerf all Gallente Cruisers; you cant do it in one go on a single attribute you have to tune each one individually. Dust 514 has consistently expressed this problem over and over again as some of you found out. Either way Dust and Eve has things going for it (immense storage space) and bad things going for it (the very strict dependency of items being in a 'physical' location) which has had made player trading extremely hard pursuit because the eve wide inventory doesn't have a 'teleporter' for items to simply go from your inventory into x players inventory 30 jumps away. Other games DB has things going for it as well but they also have limits; Namely their items have extreme number of properties allowing for massive amounts of variety at acceptable memory costs. You can easily via attachments and doohickeys give the apperance of 50 different guns while its still technically 1 gun base model. CoD AW expresses this rather strongly if you're playing with a really shoddy connection the content doesn't stream that well and you can see that even guns that are supposed to be more unique looking have a base 'grey' model shared between all variants of the gun or its modifications. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 352	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:15:00 - [57] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: iws said there out of room but DCU has more skills and stuff soo they might have a memory leak. not sure whats going on. Every suit you select has a model, each model has variables. Now, EVERYthing has that. Each piece of equipment,gun,etc , is a model. Each with separate variables. Now you do see how many things you can mix and match. That's why memory is stressed. The ADS tourney! Join today!
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 626	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:25:00 - [58] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would also like to remind players that Dust 514's database is structured entirely differently from so many games. Borderlands may have bajillion guns. You can only have 100 or so stored at any given time. Dust 514 has currently no upper limit known yet. We're likely to hit eve limits though when it comes time but we're far from that atm. I'd rather have 100 different guns than 700 variants of the same guns Depends on how you stack your database; some games don't have more than one gun and just have variations on the model and stats but all stemming from the same family. Older games are not likely to have this kind of db family stacking though and have individual pages for each weapon. Newer games however do the family stacking so that it becomes easier to define not only a whole group but modify the entire tree or branches of that tree at a time; IE nerf all semi-auto rifles the same would be simply going into the semi-auto rifle branch and changing the attribute there. Then you check the end 'leaves' of the branch to make sure you didn't break anything. Eve's database (and to an extent ours) is very similar on this concept; An entry for a Thorax includes; The Blueprint, Blueprint original, produced item when packaged, produced item when unpacked, and all tech 2 and pilot variations and their blueprints and the likes on one page. Instead of 30 or so. This can cause some problems because every item in the game is treated in this manner. Random space rock? Blueprint for that too. Missile fired from your launcher? Blueprint for that specific instance of that time as well. (this has been seemingly fixed I cannot target missiles anymore and it caused immense amount of lag) but say you want to nerf all Gallente Cruisers; you cant do it in one go on a single attribute you have to tune each one individually. Dust 514 has consistently expressed this problem over and over again as some of you found out. Either way Dust and Eve has things going for it (immense storage space) and bad things going for it (the very strict dependency of items being in a 'physical' location) which has had made player trading extremely hard pursuit because the eve wide inventory doesn't have a 'teleporter' for items to simply go from your inventory into x players inventory 30 jumps away. Other games DB has things going for it as well but they also have limits; Namely their items have extreme number of properties allowing for massive amounts of variety at acceptable memory costs. You can easily via attachments and doohickeys give the apperance of 50 different guns while its still technically 1 gun base model. CoD AW expresses this rather strongly if you're playing with a really shoddy connection the content doesn't stream that well and you can see that even guns that are supposed to be more unique looking have a base 'grey' model shared between all variants of the gun or its modifications. I dont care. I play video games, I dont design them. CCP can make excuses all day long, and so can the part of their player base that doesnt want to be critical of the consequences of that design (a dissapointing game with massive wasted potential). Its ok though, once Crowfall or Star Citizen comes out, you'll probably never see me again. l;
DUST Fiend 16458	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:33:00 - [59] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: I dont care. I play video games, I dont design them. CCP can make excuses all day long, and so can the part of their player base that doesnt want to be critical of the consequences of that design (a dissapointing game with massive wasted potential). Its ok though, once Crowfall or Star Citizen comes out, you'll probably never see me again. l; I'm pretty sure the small branch of Star Citizens team for Squadron 42 is bigger than the entire DUST team put together They have some of the original designers for Cryengine on their team, which is pretty sick. *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 327	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:59:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: I dont care. I play video games, I dont design them. CCP can make excuses all day long, and so can the part of their player base that doesnt want to be critical of the consequences of that design (a dissapointing game with massive wasted potential). Its ok though, once Crowfall or Star Citizen comes out, you'll probably never see me again. l; I'm pretty sure the small branch of Star Citizens team for Squadron 42 is bigger than the entire DUST team put together They have some of the original designers for Cryengine on their team, which is pretty sick. Dust better step their game up if they even hope to have more than 2000 players for their game Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works

Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 626	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:09:00 - [61] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: I dont care. I play video games, I dont design them. CCP can make excuses all day long, and so can the part of their player base that doesnt want to be critical of the consequences of that design (a dissapointing game with massive wasted potential). Its ok though, once Crowfall or Star Citizen comes out, you'll probably never see me again. l; I'm pretty sure the small branch of Star Citizens team for Squadron 42 is bigger than the entire DUST team put together They have some of the original designers for Cryengine on their team, which is pretty sick. Yeah their lead "chairman", Chris Roberts, is pretty bro tier as well, and answers community questions and all that good stuff on youtube and has alot of community interaction. The small dev team for Dust is just another mistake CCP has made and is making, not only are they not providing enough resources to make changes and improvements, they also routinely cannabalize the dust dev team for other projects like Valkaryie or Eve expansions (or so I have heard from a number of places, this may or may not be true).
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 610	Posted - 2015.04.20 23:38:00 - [62] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: I dont care. I play video games, I dont design them. CCP can make excuses all day long, and so can the part of their player base that doesnt want to be critical of the consequences of that design (a dissapointing game with massive wasted potential). Its ok though, once Crowfall or Star Citizen comes out, you'll probably never see me again. l; I'm pretty sure the small branch of Star Citizens team for Squadron 42 is bigger than the entire DUST team put together They have some of the original designers for Cryengine on their team, which is pretty sick. Yeah their lead "chairman", Chris Roberts, is pretty bro tier as well, and answers community questions and all that good stuff on youtube and has alot of community interaction. The small dev team for Dust is just another mistake CCP has made and is making, not only are they not providing enough resources to make changes and improvements, they also routinely cannabalize the dust dev team for other projects like Valkaryie or Eve expansions (or so I have heard from a number of places, this may or may not be true). http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf Also, DUST was cancelled. CCP only said they were going to pay more attention to it for now as a money maker. They didn't say they were re-green lighting it. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Mobius Wyvern Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6163	Posted - 2015.04.21 00:21:00 - [63] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf Also, DUST was cancelled. CCP only said they were going to pay more attention to it for now as a money maker. They didn't say they were re-green lighting it. Dust was never "cancelled". What they said was they were going to halt updates, release EVE: Legion alongside it with no EVE link, and keep Dust online with the EVE link active for the forseeable future. In other words, they basically laid out that they had no idea what they were doing, what they wanted to do, or how to do it. Pretty sure rumor-mongering is against the forum rules, buddy. Fox Gaden wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Okay I was wrong , I didn't know all of the issues...you guys win If you were the first guy to make a post like this, the forums would have treated you more gently. Unfortunately for you, you were not the first to make such statements and the patience of those who are following recent developments is waring thin. VERY thin. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 536	Posted - 2015.04.21 07:18:00 - [64] - Quote You guys are right saying that OP is ungrateful, he is. But what he says isn't wrong. You all seem to say "can't add 3D models cause the RAM can't allow it." I just want to say "WHAT !?!?!?" If THIS is the issue then the problem isnt 3D models but optimisation, reducing the complexity of the programs, loading less useless stuffs smartly, etc. Saying that is utter crap. Look at games like Uncharted 2-3, killzone 3, or even DC Universe Online (another MMO on PS3 for those who dont know^^), their graphics are amazing (not talking about DCUO on that), their content is big, 3D models everywhere, detailed maps, PS3 does not melt. The devs on these games found a way to optimize them and make them work pretty well on a PS3. Take a game like Assassin's Creed, the map is huge, there's a lot of variety, houses, people, trees, grass, etc.. They did great even if the PS3 doesnt have a lot of RAM. Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )


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