the only tanker issue I would agree with is that tankers should not be able to recall their tank and just call in another. or maybe not allow tank recalling at all. if you're gonna call in a tank, then you're gonna have to stay alive in it even if it means retreating and wasting a large chunk of time healing and recharging your mods. running away to the red line is one thing and if you wanna recall then fine, you just won't get another tank if you recall. I think this seems fair.

recalling a tank just to follow up with calling a fresh one in the red line is very similar to the cheap-skates who used to flee to (or camp) supply points to switch suits for full health. it's a cheap tactic that I'm glad was fixed.

so I argue that you only get one tank per match unless it is destroyed.

the only tanker issue I would agree with is that tankers should not be able to recall their tank and just call in another. or maybe not allow tank recalling at all.

What a surprise. We ask for something, we actually get it, and of course infantry wants it taken away from us.

if you're gonna call in a tank, then you're gonna have to stay alive in it even if it means retreating and wasting a large chunk of time healing and recharging your mods.

We do that now, and far too often.

running away to the red line is one thing and if you wanna recall then fine, you just won't get another tank if you recall. I think this seems fair.

How about infantry isn't able to switch suits at a depot, only get ammo? That sounds fair to me.

recalling a tank just to follow up with calling a fresh one in the red line is very similar to the cheap-skates who used to flee to (or camp) supply points to switch suits for full health. it's a cheap tactic that I'm glad was fixed.

Min scout with complex armor reps fixes that. Nerf the ability to switch suits at all at a depot.

so I argue that you only get one tank per match unless it is destroyed.

I argue that you can only get one PRO suit per match in pubs. If you die in it, you can only use ADV from then on.

No...... If you are reading the rest of the post then you know what I'm really talking about and they are:

1. if they have item to recover there tank / aircraft, why are they running away.
2. Running away when they get hit ones
3. More Running away even if they have items to recover there armor / defense

I guess when someone shoots at your infantry drop suit with a gun you just stand there and take it? Probs why you die so much. Try running away more. Fckn noobs!

Really CCP fix this Tank and Aircraft run back just cause there getting shot at then come back to kill us. If they have Shield Booster/ Hardeners and Armor Repairer / Hardeners that would recover the hits that are taken and they are running away like scary dusty that they are. Also is it Tanks and Aircraft are only to destroy Turrets and Tanks? let the players that don't have Tanks / Aircraft fight and Tanks and Turrets fight Aircrafts and Turrets or if player that have any heavy weapons can fight them also.

Like I was in a FW and all I see is about five Tanks and Aircrafts blocking us getting to C. Then all they do is run back, so tell me why do they have those items equip on there Tanks and Aircrafts. This right here is not making the game balanced even if they are going to change the NEW MATCHMAKING ENGINE players are still going to leave the battles cause of this happening. We need to find a way to just have Tanks and Aircraft only fight other Tanks and Aircraft but then if an player shots an Tank or Aircraft with a Heavy weapon then they can kill that enemy like they have the Turrets do when an enemy shoots them and the Turrets will shoot back cause they are shooting like make the Tanks and Aircraft say to the player "Warring, a enemy is shooting you with a Heavy weapon" or something so that they can and are able to shoot that enemy.

I hade people hiding their tiny weak @$$ in thanks and turrets. C'mon guys, fighting like back in time during WW1 is a way funier than using to high-tech tanks and whatever.

Hmmmmmm no not really.

This is the way to roll!

All I need now is a high explosive artillery turret.

Yes!!! now this is how you would play Dust 514 in the heart of a battlefield not running away when you get hit one and then get out your in a d*** tank if your getting destroy die with honor and refix your tank / aircraft build then and make it better that's how you will learn to get better in using tanks and aircraft.

As a militia tanker (Soma user), they can't take the hits that adv and proto tanks can. So most Soma or Sica drivers use the hit and run tactic. Though I have been known to make my Soma a mobile artillery with the large railgun. So I see no problems with the tanks. My Soma with all the best militia mods was destroyed in about 3-4 hits by an infantry who was smart enough to keep up the attack and be a little sneaky even when I was retreating.


You say a tank needs to sit still and be shot up, would you sit still as an infantry and let yourself be shot or would you use cover?

A smart tank driver knows when to attack, when to retreat, and where to attack.

Ignoring the unreadable rant above....

The issue is Tanks can run away too easily. Their base speed is faster than an AV suit runs, let alone an AV suit trying to charge a forge gun. And they can pop afterburners also to go even faster.
This means they don't have to think ahead or plan the retreat at all, just put it into gear and drive and they are fast enough to get away from basically anything anywhere.

Tanks need to accelerate dramatically slower, so if a tank stops to fight (like firing a blaster in a door for a minute), it becomes very vulnerable to AV at that point, but if it keeps moving then the speed stays high.

Here, have some punctuation, and some line breaks.
Then people will be able to read what you are saying at least.

Also have a deep breath, write your thoughts on paper, and make sure they are clear, not rambling.

Vehicles run away as part of the design for them. CCP wants them to have waves of opportunity, so they surge forward, do some stuff, then fall back to recover. This is good.
The problem is not that they run away, but that they can sit still as long as they like, then as soon as a threat appears boost away, and unless you use several AV to a single tank, it goes fast enough to escape anyway.

Solution is to simply make tanks accelerate much slower, as then they can still remain mobile and get places, but they can't simply put their foot down while sitting still and negate AV.

To put it like that yes this is what I mean sorry for my bad sentences but I am bad at putting words together. Yes they cannot fight each other only if they attack the tanks / aircraft and the person that is on said target tank / aircraft can attack that enemy that is attacking that, in a way that they have the turrent (if no one is using it, it will attack only that person that is shooting at it). Give them a warring command that is able to kill that enemy that is attacking that tank / aircraft, if there is no one attacking it and just run by it then they can't attack that player cause he's not attacking that said tank / aircraft.

Errrmmm.... OH....

So, you are saying you'd like it if tanks could not target infantry, unless the infantry was actively attacking the tanks, which would make tanks vs other vehicles the primary subject.
But the idea of making the turrets automatic, is problematic, because this is a shooter game.

If turrets fired without someone operating them, even if the automatic only hit other tanks/dropships, it would change the balance of how tanks are situated.

Also, a warning for weapons targeting the vehicle, would be interesting. However, it would only work if the attacker was highlighted After they attack, because before would ruin many of the current attacking methods.

So in so many words , Spkr and everyone else who mentioned the same is right .

You don't like the fact that you have smart pilots and drivers who won't just sit there and allow you to destroy them , yes they have protective mods but they only last for so long , you would rather that they just sit there and allow you and multiple others the time it takes to destroy them without using their minds and falling back when necessary ?

I wonder sometimes do you people who make post like these , think out what your implying or do you just care to troll ?

I take this post as a troll post because you just can't be serious .

The only thing I will say I dislike about tanks is there ability to nitrous away at faster than LAV speeds. So far it looks like roaming packs of angry Madrugar blaster hounds, with those god damn injectors going full pelt seem to be the current best tank meta. (That I have witnessed so far)

the only tanker issue I would agree with is that tankers should not be able to recall their tank and just call in another. or maybe not allow tank recalling at all. if you're gonna call in a tank, then you're gonna have to stay alive in it even if it means retreating and wasting a large chunk of time healing and recharging your mods. running away to the red line is one thing and if you wanna recall then fine, you just won't get another tank if you recall. I think this seems fair.

recalling a tank just to follow up with calling a fresh one in the red line is very similar to the cheap-skates who used to flee to (or camp) supply points to switch suits for full health. it's a cheap tactic that I'm glad was fixed.

so I argue that you only get one tank per match unless it is destroyed.

people how many times am I going to say this "I'M NOT SAYING TO SIT STILL DID I EVER SAY THAT!!" for a infantry is different than using a tank or aircraft. I am F***** saying that they have the items to put to still have the will power to have battle with tank v tank not fighting against infantry only if a infantry has Heavy weapons that would want to fight of a Tank sure go and fight it. If you seen that video that someone put up on here do you see a tank going back nope they keep going foward also even when that tank got hit. In that video Fury that tank might of put on some Shield Boosters / Hardener or Armor Repairer / Hardener cause it sure thing didn't run back. So your saying that to use the "hit and run tactic" is good for tanks or aircraft? maybe good for an infantry cause they are not in a tank or something that can hold off some hits from a Heavy weapon or turrets. A tank has a Shield and Armor also they have Hardeners for crying out loud, now if it only has one of the other shield or armor then yea I would understand to use the hit and run tactic as you say it's a tactic. Also to top it off it's five tanks vs infantry who would win? cause I know infantry wouldn't win with five tanks blocking your way, the only way that anyone can win from a tank is to have advs or proto heavy weapons. Your comparing infantry to a tank..

Plus your using militia mods.... which you know that they are weaker to anything... and yes use that tactic if your using a militia tank I would but not if your in an advs and proto one when I know you seen in your battles you will know by that X and triangle next to the weapon that dust killed you using.

Do I have to keep going cause I really can...

Here, have some punctuation, and some line breaks.
Then people will be able to read what you are saying at least.

Also have a deep breath, write your thoughts on paper, and make sure they are clear, not rambling.

Vehicles run away as part of the design for them. CCP wants them to have waves of opportunity, so they surge forward, do some stuff, then fall back to recover. This is good.
The problem is not that they run away, but that they can sit still as long as they like, then as soon as a threat appears boost away, and unless you use several AV to a single tank, it goes fast enough to escape anyway.

Solution is to simply make tanks accelerate much slower, as then they can still remain mobile and get places, but they can't simply put their foot down while sitting still and negate AV.

What if when using a armor hardner there is a speed penalty
For shield hardner what about a 6 second shield recharge delay

I actually like that idea. Armor hardener. Tank stop

The only thing I will say I dislike about tanks is there ability to nitrous away at faster than LAV speeds. So far it looks like roaming packs of angry Madrugar blaster hounds, with those god damn injectors going full pelt seem to be the current best tank meta. (That I have witnessed so far)

If a tanks only purpose is to take out other tanks, then why do you call in a tank? If we go by your idea that a tank can only engage infantry if said infantry is attacking the tank with a heavy weapon, then what would a tank do if no one brings out AV? Sit there twiddling their thumbs?

your saying the same thing anyone is here saying "For a tank to stay there" which I'm keep saying again and again I'm not saying for a tank to stay in one spot they can move forward or around stay on the tank print roads, that's why they have roads for tanks and cars to go around on. if a tank don't want to get destroy then don't go around killing infantry go and fight something bigger and the same like a tank or turret. I be seening tanks on the blue side when they took all the bases and be on the mountain side at the blue MCC just shooting at them. Then when they see a hit from there shields they run you would still have your armor and have time to recover your shields with a hardnerd.