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DaemonVok
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:00:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:GǪ. Let me apologize in advance for doing this, but every once in a while, I MUST laugh at and ridicule Dust-forum posters sometimes. Not ALL posters, thank goodness. Some on this forum live in the Real, take time to digest a subject that they're wading into the middle of, can WAIT till more reliable details come out, never get duped by crippled claims OTHERS are presuming they know know so much about, and NEVER are Gomer-Pyle enough to pick up a torch and follow the rest of the villagers just because one member says she saw them building Frankenstein's monster around the corner, and we're gonna go burn 'em all outGǪ... .. Nearly EVERY image, jpg, png, screenshot, concept art, Fanfest promo pic, that CCP has ever released on this Forum has been "TEST PURPOSES ONLY" in appearance, or "WORK IN PROGRESS", and usually differs so significantly from the FINAL version, that some players like myself actually built albums on our PS3 photo galleries, to save CCP's development-screenshots as collector's items, LOL. What surprises me is how many regular Forum followers DON'T notice that fact yet----so they STILL explode out of their chairs to "be the villager grabbing the torch again"GǪbecause the screenshot showed 150 giga-joules on a Neo-Menu instead of on a Neo-Com. (What!? The NeoCom is being replaced? EVE-Online has a NeoCom, and if CCP doesn't restore it at once, let's shut this whole mother down and---HolyGǪ.) LOL, the fact that we keep repeating the same false alarms and "50th-time-assumptions" like these, so long after we ought to have learned the pattern by now, is the only real "WTF" issue in this Forum. GǪIs there even any worth in contributing to the topic? Okay. Dust is a New Eden game----everything in New Eden is taxed, charged, or gimmicked by corps out there. I heard that if you're an EVE Mining player, you get taxed/tariffed just for selling ore in a quadrant belonging to a Faction you never did any personal missions for, when you have only Level-2 SP on your "negotiation" skills. Say WHAT? Dust doesn't have that kind of nefarious tax system. But it's New Eden, so we should expect some kind of fee gimmick. If EVE-Online doesn't have exactly the same kind of tax-gimmick that Dust ends up with---I don't care. We ain't EVE-Online. We're DUST 514! Also what he said. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5700
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:06:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:There are NPC/station tax and transaction fees in EVE. This is reasonable...yet the numbers in that pic seem high. Also there are trading skills in EVE and loyalty points that you can build up with station agents to lower those fees considerably.
Maybe that's an option CCP Rattati can pursue.
Manual trades dont get the fee in EVE as far as im aware. Only buy/sell orders are subject to that.
What we have here is a bad mechanic.
CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test.
How about no fee.
Because its a silly mechanic for manual trading, which is historically supposed to be considered under-the-table. You already run the risk of being scammed, you dont need a fee on top of that. Leave the fees for buy/sell order mechanics.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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knight guard fury
Carbon 7
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:12:00 -
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The only logical thing Is station tax tbh. We are in EVE after all. Because you know... We are trading through/in stations soo...
Kin of the Vherokior tribe
I'm a pure minmatar soldier
I do not associate with anyone that is not Mnmatar
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
2249
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:20:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:-snip- The problem your comment is, we're not complaining about an unknown fee percentage that hasn't been confirmed. We're complaining about the fact that there is a fee in the first place which has been confirmed by rattati. People aren't freaking out about something that may or may not be there they're freaking out about something confirmed to be there.
It's hard to believe I was once one of the biggest fanboys Dust had.
Rated [TV-MA]
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Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:33:00 -
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hold that wrote:where does the money from the tax go? if the answer is no where then it's kind of stupid. Given the question asks for a location, if the answer is 'no', I'd agree, that is kind of stupid.
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Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
57
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:33:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:i'm all the sudden interested in trading...
i get an advantage over the poors, yes please sign me up.
lol
CEO / Art.of.Death
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Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
57
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:34:00 -
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hold that wrote:where does the money from the tax go? if the answer is no where then it's kind of stupid.
Agreed.
CEO / Art.of.Death
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Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
57
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:43:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Can the fee within corp "trading" be set to 0%? This makes it easier for logistics officers to not require huge stockpiles of ISK. It also makes belonging to a corp more important. This also require an extra step in Alt farming as they are by default placed in a NPC corp.
Brilliant. I think in corp trading at 0% is a fantastic idea. Or at least, let the fee go to the corp if there's in-corp trading.
CEO / Art.of.Death
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
2258
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:52:00 -
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Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Can the fee within corp "trading" be set to 0%? This makes it easier for logistics officers to not require huge stockpiles of ISK. It also makes belonging to a corp more important. This also require an extra step in Alt farming as they are by default placed in a NPC corp. Brilliant. I think in corp trading at 0% is a fantastic idea. Or at least, let the fee go to the corp if there's in-corp trading. Then people will just jump into the same corp to avoid the fee or people with access with the corp wallet will reimburse the trader. Just don't fcking implement the fee, there's no good reason for it.
It's hard to believe I was once one of the biggest fanboys Dust had.
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Kayla Michael
Tactical Logistics and Cargo
101
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:27:00 -
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Where does the currency go? I don't mind having a fee to my transaction.. but 11 Million + ISK? Almost seems self-defeating of the trade idea. Perhaps this fee is to slow down trading activities which prevents rapid material progression with in the vying market?
I eat drahp uplink, me thinks this isn't a cookie. ~
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Kayla Michael
Tactical Logistics and Cargo
101
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:29:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test.
Ah, okay.
I eat drahp uplink, me thinks this isn't a cookie. ~
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2Berries
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
796
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:30:00 -
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Unless the trading fee provides some sort of assurity to the transaction it needs to be removed.
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
I understand CCP wants a isk dump so the isk totals of the ultra rich drop evenentually, but keep your hands out of my pockets. Find another way to scam money from the billionaires who took advantage of the exploitment opportunities you provided.
To the billionaires referred to above - if you agree, kick down a couple million!
Evening Boys, Hows the water?
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BAD FURRY
Oh No You Didn't
837
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Posted - 2015.04.18 02:35:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test.
how bout a FREE MARKET !
Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
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deadly assasin323
deadly blood steps
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Posted - 2015.04.18 02:37:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:This is not acceptable CCP. There should be no trading fee for sending items. I dont want that only the rich are entitled to trade. For example in the devlbog there is a small note called "trade fee". Seriously do i really need to dump more ISK into NPC's then i allready do? Proof can be seen here: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/67097/1/Trading_4.jpg how you trade between people
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
1071
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Posted - 2015.04.20 01:37:00 -
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If I want to transfer one of my dragonfly suits to an alt or to a member of my corp why should there be a fee for doing so? Sounds ridiculous? Especially when I have to pay in game currency to give an item paid for with real money to myself!! |
LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
3606
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Posted - 2015.04.20 01:56:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:The reason these taxes exist in eve is to provide a sink for currency to leave the game through. Most MMOs have plenty of currency faucets but no sinks. After a few years in Everquest, for example, the average player was so absurdly wealthy that even low end drops were being sold for prices that a new player who had reached the appropriate level for the item could never even come close to affording it.
This lack of sinks wasn't such an issue before now in Dust because trading wasn't a thing, and every item you bought resulted in isk leaving the economy. Player to player trades result in isk moving, but not leaving the economy. As players start to take control over more of the economy this will eventually cause hyper-inflation, unless you put in some taxes that suck isk out. This will only really become critical if / when players start to create the equipment being sold, either through some sort of manufacturing or a loot process. This quote hasn't been quoted enough, as in 0.
Please, take the time to read it, understand it, and try to see the logic.
It makes sense if you take the time to read it.
Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons
First to PM me with common name wins
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
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Posted - 2015.04.20 03:24:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Kristoff Atruin wrote:The reason these taxes exist in eve is to provide a sink for currency to leave the game through. Most MMOs have plenty of currency faucets but no sinks. After a few years in Everquest, for example, the average player was so absurdly wealthy that even low end drops were being sold for prices that a new player who had reached the appropriate level for the item could never even come close to affording it.
This lack of sinks wasn't such an issue before now in Dust because trading wasn't a thing, and every item you bought resulted in isk leaving the economy. Player to player trades result in isk moving, but not leaving the economy. As players start to take control over more of the economy this will eventually cause hyper-inflation, unless you put in some taxes that suck isk out. This will only really become critical if / when players start to create the equipment being sold, either through some sort of manufacturing or a loot process. This quote hasn't been quoted enough, as in 0. Please, take the time to read it, understand it, and try to see the logic. It makes sense if you take the time to read it. It'd make sense if the trading was the same as in EVE with an actual market where the fee could be explained by the fact that the market is providing a secure way of trading and players weren't charged a fee should they choose to trade outside the market or if they decide to flat out give stuff away.
The fee isn't going to be able to remove a significant amount of ISK without hurting the poor that want to trade away what they have to make some ISK so they can buy what they want, while barely denting the wallets of the rich.
Want to create an ISK sink? * Remove most installations from the map (leave SD's behind redline in places they can't be destroyed).
* Give us player owned installations (configurability can wait).
* Set a limit on how many can be on the field at a time (nothing higher than the current count).
* Set it so they can only be dropped in locations that vehicles can be called in (and fix that location incassable in the middle of an open field bullshit) though don't actually drop them in, have them materialize like vehicles dematerialize. Edit: Though set a height limit on where they can be called. We don't need a SD up on some of those towers.
* Don't allow them to be recalled.
* Don't allow more than 1 of the same type (CRU, SD, Turret) to be dropped within a certain radius of each other
* Make them cost ~1-5 million ISK maybe even more.
* Make them as weak as they used to be or somewhere around there.
* Make them worth less WP's for destroying, in line with vehicles.
* And finally make them only tradable by licensed retailers aka: NPC's.
Bam, you've got yourself an ISK sink that doesn't punish anyone and everyone wants to get in on.
I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet.
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Hyuan BubblePOP
Uber Wanabes
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Posted - 2015.04.20 07:24:00 -
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Eve players have tio pay up fees on a lot of things in new eden, so should you! |
Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2015.04.20 08:19:00 -
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Perhaps in time we'll see a trade skill similar to EVE that reduces the fee for trading. It could perhaps be something else used to lower the loyalty rank required fo rtrades themselves. have it a high rank skill and each level reduces loyalty rank required to trade by one rank level
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
proud C-II bpo owner
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sir RAVEN WING
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
3378
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:24:00 -
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This is rather cheap.
@Viktor You do realize you will be losing your billions, right?
"Vengeance. Vengeance is the name of the monster that consumed me so long ago." - Sir Raven Wing
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
30
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:49:00 -
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No CCP JUST NO
CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
1527
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:12:00 -
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Ok, soooo...? )))
Please support fair play!
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:25:00 -
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They didn't give AF
CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
1527
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:44:00 -
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LOL KILLZ wrote:They didn't give AF
Sry, what is AF?
Please support fair play!
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
2206
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:21:00 -
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John Psi wrote:LOL KILLZ wrote:They didn't give AF Sry, what is AF?
A fuuck. :)
Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
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The Dark Cloud
The Rainbow Effect
4643
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Lies the fee on the game is exactly 10% now. For example a balacs-Gar 21 costs 126,495ISK in the NPC market yet the Traiding fee is 12,695 ISK. So please elaborate how that happend. I got you now ratatti and nowhere to hide.
I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
21287
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:42:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Lies the fee on the game is exactly 10% now. For example a balacs-Gar 21 costs 126,495ISK in the NPC market yet the Traiding fee is 12,695 ISK. So please elaborate how that happend. I got you now ratatti and nowhere to hide.
Are you intent on being banned? I do not lie to the community. I made a statement, based on the information I had, and that was not 10% and is not supposed to be 10%. The definition of that is a bug, not a lie.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
23570
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:43:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Lies the fee on the game is exactly 10% now. For example a balacs-Gar 21 costs 126,495ISK in the NPC market yet the Traiding fee is 12,695 ISK. So please elaborate how that happend. I got you now ratatti and nowhere to hide. Are you intent on being banned? I do not lie to the community. I made a statement, based on the information I had, and that was not 10% and is not supposed to be 10%. The definition of that is a bug, not a lie.
Is the actual rate stated anywhere?
Supreme Forum Warrior
Gallente Guide
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
2206
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:44:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Lies the fee on the game is exactly 10% now. For example a balacs-Gar 21 costs 126,495ISK in the NPC market yet the Traiding fee is 12,695 ISK. So please elaborate how that happend. I got you now ratatti and nowhere to hide. Are you intent on being banned? I do not lie to the community. I made a statement, based on the information I had, and that was not 10% and is not supposed to be 10%. The definition of that is a bug, not a lie.
read my sig, theres your answer.
Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
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The Dark Cloud
The Rainbow Effect
4644
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Posted - 2015.04.28 15:19:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Lies the fee on the game is exactly 10% now. For example a balacs-Gar 21 costs 126,495ISK in the NPC market yet the Traiding fee is 12,695 ISK. So please elaborate how that happend. I got you now ratatti and nowhere to hide. Are you intent on being banned? I do not lie to the community. I made a statement, based on the information I had, and that was not 10% and is not supposed to be 10%. The definition of that is a bug, not a lie. I only see how facts are based on the data i see on the game. But you cannot deny it that your statement and what is in the game collide with each other. If you make statements then you have to ensure that it stays like that. On the other hand i feel sorry for ya if some 1 else messed it up. But im sure its nothing that you guys cant fix with a swift hotfix in the next couple of days.
I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
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