DUST Search - STOP THE TRADING FEE BEFORE IT HAPPENDS!

Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

LUGMOS wrote:

Kuruld Sengar wrote:

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

There are NPC/station tax and transaction fees in EVE. This is reasonable...yet the numbers in that pic seem high.
Also there are trading skills in EVE and loyalty points that you can build up with station agents to lower those fees considerably.

Maybe that's an option CCP Rattati can pursue.

The numbers seem high, but it actually comes out to about 12,600 isk per officer mass driver at that rate in the pic.

That's quite a bit.

I hope the fee depends on the meta level of the item. That fee is a lot if you're trading standard fits to newbies

Newbies aren't going to have loyalty rank 4 right off the bat unless they put down $25 in aur purchases.

And they won't have acces to it for a very long time is they don't pay...

I think the cool thing about trading was that even a newbie could get lucky with the strongboxes and then make a killing in trading to fund equipment startup in dust. I know i was poorer than poop when i started.

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Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 865	Posted - 2015.04.15 08:09:00 - [31] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Kuruld Sengar wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: There are NPC/station tax and transaction fees in EVE. This is reasonable...yet the numbers in that pic seem high. Also there are trading skills in EVE and loyalty points that you can build up with station agents to lower those fees considerably. Maybe that's an option CCP Rattati can pursue. The numbers seem high, but it actually comes out to about 12,600 isk per officer mass driver at that rate in the pic. That's quite a bit. I hope the fee depends on the meta level of the item. That fee is a lot if you're trading standard fits to newbies Newbies aren't going to have loyalty rank 4 right off the bat unless they put down $25 in aur purchases. And they won't have acces to it for a very long time is they don't pay... I think the cool thing about trading was that even a newbie could get lucky with the strongboxes and then make a killing in trading to fund equipment startup in dust. I know i was poorer than poop when i started. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Heracles Porsche Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 297	Posted - 2015.04.15 08:45:00 - [32] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Kuruld Sengar wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: There are NPC/station tax and transaction fees in EVE. This is reasonable...yet the numbers in that pic seem high. Also there are trading skills in EVE and loyalty points that you can build up with station agents to lower those fees considerably. Maybe that's an option CCP Rattati can pursue. The numbers seem high, but it actually comes out to about 12,600 isk per officer mass driver at that rate in the pic. That's quite a bit. I hope the fee depends on the meta level of the item. That fee is a lot if you're trading standard fits to newbies Newbies aren't going to have loyalty rank 4 right off the bat unless they put down $25 in aur purchases. And they won't have acces to it for a very long time is they don't pay... I think the cool thing about trading was that even a newbie could get lucky with the strongboxes and then make a killing in trading to fund equipment startup in dust. I know i was poorer than poop when i started. How many noobies have the rank 4 required to trade? not many. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23221	Posted - 2015.04.15 08:52:00 - [33] - Quote Well, it's not in AUR. Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today
iBONG Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 8	Posted - 2015.04.15 08:56:00 - [34] - Quote Lol, you don't have the market giving us correct amount of isk per loyalty rank already and u want more of your in game economy back to trade player to player? WTF mate, I thought we were friends=ƒåÿ

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1597	Posted - 2015.04.15 09:06:00 - [35] - Quote Station trading in EVE has no fee. Contract 10,000isk no matter if you're trading one unit of trit or a trillion ISK worth of PLEX, seriously CCP... Why are you even thinking %-wise? Or is this your way of ISK sink so we're forced to use AUR to play... DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3092	Posted - 2015.04.15 09:07:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Oh, good. 10% is way too high. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 868	Posted - 2015.04.15 09:14:00 - [37] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: How many noobies have the rank 4 required to trade? not many. oh, don't get me started on the lv.4 thing... just did that in another thread and i'm still frothing at the mouth and the tears are ruining my coffee. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 734	Posted - 2015.04.15 09:36:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Can the fee within corp "trading" be set to 0%? This makes it easier for logistics officers to not require huge stockpiles of ISK. It also makes belonging to a corp more important. This also require an extra step in Alt farming as they are by default placed in a NPC corp.
Kain Spero Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 5006	Posted - 2015.04.15 10:09:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. At most it really should be is 2% for such an unsecured transaction. For example, the base sales tax fee in Eve is 1.5%. You then have skills that lower that further to 0.75%. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1010	Posted - 2015.04.15 11:10:00 - [40] - Quote Trading fee, meh, its not going to be crippling. Even the stingiest of merc who are post level 4 can afford it. I'm only against it because its meaningless. Pay a fee for what exactly? NPC revenue? To prevent playes from over trading? To take itself seriously? Ionically, the lower it is, the less meaning it has. Anyways, no mtter the end percentage, it'll just be tacked on as a service tax to the buyer. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1403	Posted - 2015.04.15 11:31:00 - [41] - Quote If a trading fee is mandatory, we should implement a skill like Broker Relations or Accounting like they have in EVE to reduce it for those willing to invest SP in trading. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1610	Posted - 2015.04.15 12:35:00 - [42] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: The only way I will pay a fee is if it guarantees the transaction. This. As much as I looked forward to player trading, it can now kiss my backside! What a let down. I don't know why I'm surprised though. Typical CCP. Whatever. September = the return of Metal Gear Online and my move to PS4!!!!! Rare Item Trades
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2269	Posted - 2015.04.15 13:08:00 - [43] - Quote The reason these taxes exist in eve is to provide a sink for currency to leave the game through. Most MMOs have plenty of currency faucets but no sinks. After a few years in Everquest, for example, the average player was so absurdly wealthy that even low end drops were being sold for prices that a new player who had reached the appropriate level for the item could never even come close to affording it. This lack of sinks wasn't such an issue before now in Dust because trading wasn't a thing, and every item you bought resulted in isk leaving the economy. Player to player trades result in isk moving, but not leaving the economy. As players start to take control over more of the economy this will eventually cause hyper-inflation, unless you put in some taxes that suck isk out. This will only really become critical if / when players start to create the equipment being sold, either through some sort of manufacturing or a loot process.
Aeon Amadi Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 9518	Posted - 2015.04.15 13:12:00 - [44] - Quote Why not just remove the fee and apply Corp Tax...? Everyone is in a corp, anyway, NPC or not... That'd give some incentive to be in an actual player corp. Don't want the 10% tax? Join a player corp. Are you being Angry or Assertive?
Meric Voyer Universal Rogue Traders 31	Posted - 2015.04.15 13:21:00 - [45] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: How many noobies have the rank 4 required to trade? not many. None, if people playing for 2 years have only reached 5-6 without AUR.
Ku Shala PIanet Express Smart Deploy 1371	Posted - 2015.04.15 13:37:00 - [46] - Quote fee is probably to discourage the transfer of items daily between accounts like bpos and what not *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 230 780 sp in drop suit upgrades
Brush Master Onslaught Inc 1504	Posted - 2015.04.15 15:43:00 - [47] - Quote I see no real point to the fee, it basically hurts the newer players but I guess the level 4 rank requirement reduces any new players from trading. Beta players? I think most of us have many millions lying around. How about anyone can receive items, just can't send unless your xx rank or some other requirement to deal with alts. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2247	Posted - 2015.04.15 15:56:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The fee is much lower than 10%, we haven't really decided on a final fee. That screenshot was just some QA test. Unless it's 0% it's too high. Like I said, it's either punishing you for helping people by giving them gear they need or you're paying for the chance to get screwed. I'm at Loyalty Rank 7 (2 1/2 years playing, $120 & ~240,000aur spent) but fck that noise. It's hard to believe I was once one of the biggest fanboys Dust had. Rated [TV-MA]
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 150	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:14:00 - [49] - Quote Id like to know what's happening with the isk from the fee. Is it going to to person you are trading with , his/her corp? Where is it going ? And could it be used back I the community? Maybe a weekly draw within the game were on lucky merc wins said among of isk? Would be interesting to see pr perhaps trading gains you a small amount of warbarge comments for the fee . Just an idea General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
ROTFL Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:16:00 - [50] - Quote WOW................ JUST SAY NO! Sorry guy's, If you want my big guns, YOU PAY THIS STUPID FEE! I will NOT be taxed! Knowing is half the battle! The other half involves guns! GI JOE!

knight guard fury Carbon 7 1607	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:18:00 - [51] - Quote I love how you guys complain over even the simplest of things Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar soldier I do not associate with anyone that is not Mnmatar
knight guard fury Carbon 7 1607	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:19:00 - [52] - Quote What if the fee went to your corp? Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar soldier I do not associate with anyone that is not Mnmatar
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7069	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:25:00 - [53] - Quote Taxes lol New skill tree for traders, ala EvE?
Corbina Ninja ItalPetrolCemeTermoTessilFarmaMetalChimica 1266	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:28:00 - [54] - Quote there is no fee in p2p direct trade in EvE only for sell/buy order <- (real trading) Dust Player Trading??? this thing you can not even call "trading" «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1251	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:42:00 - [55] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: There are NPC/station tax and transaction fees in EVE. This is reasonable...yet the numbers in that pic seem high. Also there are trading skills in EVE and loyalty points that you can build up with station agents to lower those fees considerably. Maybe that's an option CCP Rattati can pursue. In EVE, the capsuleers are stuck in their cockpits, and have to trade through the station. In Dust, we can trade face to face. Why would we throw a random coin to the side for that? http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1619	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:08:00 - [56] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: There are NPC/station tax and transaction fees in EVE. This is reasonable...yet the numbers in that pic seem high. Also there are trading skills in EVE and loyalty points that you can build up with station agents to lower those fees considerably. Maybe that's an option CCP Rattati can pursue. In EVE, the capsuleers are stuck in their cockpits, and have to trade through the station. In Dust, we can trade face to face. Why would we throw a random coin to the side for that? Technically, DUST mercs are stuck in the same station indefinitely. We never even leave when we travel to a planet for any type of contract (this is shown by still being in the same local chat). Therefore, we are not trading in-station, or face-to-face. Maybe by space-mail? Is this what the % is for? Gotta pay the postman, LOL. Rare Item Trades
Al the destroyer Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:20:00 - [57] - Quote The fee doesn't seem to serve any purpose. Can you explain why you would need a fee? Seems like dropsuit lvl 5 to me. I'll pay the fee it won't make me or break me it just seems useless. The rich will still be rich and the poor will be poorer. The ones whom have farmed the isk will be able to run non-stop officer weapons this will lead to more ppl not wanting to play the game. Give the newbs a chance!
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 759	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:40:00 - [58] - Quote Al is kinda right IM going to weigh in on this. Any character in EVE online can simply just give another player ISK and there is no fee> I can also contract a ship for one ISk to a friend in which he pays me 1 ISk for a (for example) 10 M ISK ship. Yes there is a tax for that transaction but the cost is 'agreed" to by the 2 parties as per contracts. But in Dust were forced to not be able to adjust the selling price, full market value must be paid and a tax per that value is applied......wait What.? SO my EVE toon can create a contract for an officer module for 1 ISK to give to my second slot/alt but my DUST toon cant. My Dust toon has to Sell it at full market price pay a Transaction tax and the alt has to pay a Transaction tax on that as well.Wait what ? But you're not going to give us Corp hangars either ? Giving us the ability to Borrow or give?.... Wow Im lost so EVE can do this but Dust cannot....lol wow Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 523	Posted - 2015.04.15 19:21:00 - [59] - Quote GÇª. Let me apologize in advance for doing this, but every once in a while, I MUST laugh at and ridicule Dust-forum posters sometimes. Not ALL posters, thank goodness. Some on this forum live in the Real, take time to digest a subject that they're wading into the middle of, can WAIT till more reliable details come out, never get duped by crippled claims OTHERS are presuming they know know so much about, and NEVER are Gomer-Pyle enough to pick up a torch and follow the rest of the villagers just because one member says she saw them building Frankenstein's monster around the corner, and we're gonna go burn 'em all outGÇª..... Nearly EVERY image, jpg, png, screenshot, concept art, Fanfest promo pic, that CCP has ever released on this Forum has been "TEST PURPOSES ONLY" in appearance, or "WORK IN PROGRESS", and usually differs so significantly from the FINAL version, that some players like myself actually built albums on our PS3 photo galleries, to save CCP's development-screenshots as collector's items, LOL. What surprises me is how many regular Forum followers DON'T notice that fact yet----so they STILL explode out of their chairs to "be the villager grabbing the torch again"GÇªbecause the screenshot showed 150 giga-joules on a Neo-Menu instead of on a Neo-Com. (What!? The NeoCom is being replaced? EVE-Online has a NeoCom, and if CCP doesn't restore it at once, let's shut this whole mother down and---HolyGÇª.) LOL, the fact that we keep repeating the same false alarms and "50th-time-assumptions" like these, so long after we ought to have learned the pattern by now, is the only real "WTF" issue in this Forum. GÇªIs there even any worth in contributing to the topic? Okay. Dust is a New Eden game----everything in New Eden is taxed, charged, or gimmicked by corps out there. I heard that if you're an EVE Mining player, you get taxed/tariffed just for selling ore in a quadrant belonging to a Faction you never did any personal missions for, when you have only Level-2 SP on your "negotiation" skills. Say WHAT? Dust doesn't have that kind of nefarious tax system. But it's New Eden, so we should expect some kind of fee gimmick. If EVE-Online doesn't have exactly the same kind of tax-gimmick that Dust ends up with---I don't care. We ain't EVE-Online. We're DUST 514! Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
DaemonVok Axis of Chaos 1	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:58:00 - [60] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: This is not acceptable CCP. There should be no trading fee for sending items. I dont want that only the rich are entitled to trade. For example in the devlbog there is a small note called "trade fee". Seriously do i really need to dump more ISK into NPC's then i allready do? Proof can be seen here: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/67097/1/Trading_4.jpg They were trading 888 officer mass drivers..... the trade tax was 11mil.... thats just over 12k per OFFICER weapon. Thats reasonable.



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