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TEC N9ne PIanet Express Smart Deploy 21	Posted - 2015.04.15 01:53:00 - [1] - Quote PC isk payouts apparently were changes overnight. These changes include no more isk unless clones die (meaning no isk farming and no payout for no-show pcs) as well as what seems like the losing team receiving half of the Payout that the winning team would normally receive. The average battle for a good pc would payout around 3mil a battle. I've played there PCs today and I won two of them and lost one battle. For all there of these battles I only received 1.7Mil isk And after these games i asked the person on the other side of the board across from me and they received about 1.7mil as well. I understand removing 1 man farm capabilities, i dont disagree with that and i agree with them receiving salvage as well as a small isk payout for the losing team (maybe about the amount of a high scoring pub match.) Thats understandable. I however do not agree with taking away the amount of isk the winning to receives nor giving part of the normal payout to the losers nor them receiving a near equal amount. This has completely remove the competitive drive from pc, this has removed the incentive for doing pc. Pc is supposed to be where you use your best and most expensive gear in order to win and receive a greater payout, meaning high risk and high reward. But now we can, and in fact many players already have plans to launch pc battles and bring bpo, militia or standard gear and fighting pc against others or even each other and playing in which case if we lose we still receive a nice payout and actually add more to our wallets than we would by winning in proto gear. This is also going to cause the corps of high sp and very exceptional players to wear militia and go bully the small/new corps that try to get into pc, in order to gain more isk. This will result in removing and or discouraging the small corps from being in pc because some of us higher players can definitely stomp those corps in bpo or militia gear and you have removed our reason to take and defend our districts. You will effectively kill pc with this and pc is the only reason most players are still here playing and if you keep this many will quit the game thus killing it further. Because of this the only thing gained by holding districts is reputation and bragging rights, some people may think that is incentive enough but this thought definitely is not shared by the community as a whole. Some people will actually lose isk in a winning pc if payouts remain this way. Some people die as much as 15+ times in a winning match running speed hacks, links or logi and such. Average proto suits can ranges in prices from 150k-300k isk per suit... This means for those 15 deaths they have then lost at least 2,250,000 isk and only received that average of 1.7 mil in which theyve lost isk while some lose even more that and vehicles lose much more, a proto tank can cost around 1.5mil and tank operators will lose more than 2 or 3 tanks. So by actually trying in pc, players are killing their wallets. What up all
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19282	Posted - 2015.04.15 01:57:00 - [2] - Quote Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 68	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:00:00 - [3] - Quote conclussion: pc is now who can field the best 16 in milita gear and pray on weak corps that if the weaker corp want to compete have to run better gear in order even be competiive 2.) pc is now a bully514 arena. 3.) its to late as well for the wealthy corps who have made 100s of billions such as nyain, eventually they will drain your wallet to try and hold land. 4.) any small or new corp will be easily wiped out of pc or go broke trying to hold a piece of land that offers nothing now either dust or eve. before it was a profitable mode that inspired players to get better at the game to compete and make real isk. now its just a laughing stock i stated this all prior to this and tested to prove to ccp that this would not work, if ccp does not believe please contact the ceo of gods among men. the ceos name is her nibs. took that with no isk lost and they lost millions in suits and equiptment. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
Xvos Reigns PIanet Express Smart Deploy 178	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:02:00 - [4] - Quote Just a thought....how about tiered pc matches. Make certain systems hi sec, lowsec, null sec. Make each pay accordingly. 1.7m, 3.5m, 6m maybe. Your neighborhood friendly SUPER LOGI
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 68	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:03:00 - [5] - Quote if anything ccp just killed it for new corps and small corps, this was tested a week and a half ago vs GAM when cap all ran bpo's and flipped the district. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 68	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:06:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. thats bs, a pos defense they bring capitals dreads, and supper carriers. billions of isk to defend their cap, do you even eve bro? you must be a high sec carebear. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5696	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:18:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 502	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:25:00 - [8] - Quote So this is what everyone is talking about! Ha! No more 24/7 proto for you! STD Active Scanner with Scan Profile of 46db too OP
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19282	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:27:00 - [9] - Quote nickmunson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. thats bs, a pos defense they bring capitals dreads, and supper carriers. billions of isk to defend their cap, do you even eve bro? you must be a high sec carebear. or an irrelevant eve corp or alliance. cause the past year ive been fighting for these things, billion isk pods with snake implants. feign in MH dropping 2 nyx. like gtfo, real miners do the same, as well as lvl 4 missioners, wormholers, and dont forget incursions , you will not get in a vangaurd fleet unless you bring your best crap. dont speak eve , let alone compare dust to eve. more specialized roles, ect. with the pay outs ccp made tanks and logis not a viable role due to the cost of both . How many of their support ships are officer fitted even? CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19282	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:30:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked

hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 744	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:31:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. who cares what they do in eve?
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2680	Posted - 2015.04.15 03:30:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. FC: So what are you running? IWS : i'm the omni soldier IWS: I got whatever advance fit you need sir FC: .............................................................. FC: we got anyone else? FC: amarr scouts? commandos? FC: anyone X( FC: screw it we are going in 1 down The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD TheYoutube
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 351	Posted - 2015.04.15 03:34:00 - [13] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. FC: So what are you running? IWS : i'm the omni soldier IWS: I got whatever advance fit you need sir FC: .............................................................. FC: we got anyone else? FC: amarr scouts? commandos? FC: anyone X( FC: screw it we are going in 1 down LMFAO BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2275	Posted - 2015.04.15 03:35:00 - [14] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. FC: So what are you running? IWS : i'm the omni soldier IWS: I got whatever advance fit you need sir FC: .............................................................. FC: we got anyone else? FC: amarr scouts? commandos? FC: anyone X( FC: screw it we are going in 1 down +1. My thoughts exactly. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1250	Posted - 2015.04.15 03:49:00 - [15] - Quote Hahahahahahahahahaha I'm sorry, this is just too funny to take seriously. Earn your money like everyone else if you're too bad to keep a district. Keeping an asset is supposed to be a strain on your wallet. You can make a profit if you do good, and loose it if you do badly. The more districts you have, the harder it's meant to pull on your wallet, so that you can only hold as many as your team is capable of defending, not capable of hoarding. Having near equal payouts for loosing encourages new corps to take to the field. If they loose, it's not a full failure. Better for training to come up a little in the hole, than a whole pile for a loss. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 472	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:05:00 - [16] - Quote I believe they should have implemented the "Keep what you kill" ISK payout method alongside the upcoming Planetary Conquest changes to see how the active(?) district pay worked alongside keeping what you kill. I logged on and heard that someone got paid for losing in a PC, I thought it was weird, but later the evening I was in a PC match in which we lost. I received 1.7 million while someone on the opposing team earned less than what I did. I can see corporations using APEX, BPO, and up to ADV gear to negate the losses of a full on prototype suit. As long as the enemy shells out anything worth ISK, meat-grinders will be produced. Nice payouts (at the moment) are no longer about winning the game, it's simply if your team can kill more than the other team can. CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4474	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:07:00 - [17] - Quote Wait, so how did Proto make a difference? It's not like the better guys were forced to run std while the new berries ran proto. If you lost you lost and wouldn't get any isk anyway. I think the reduced isk payout for the winning team is a bad idea, but I suppose it's to encourage CEOs to pay Mercs or of pocket. Which I suppose wouldn't be the worst idea of districts still generated isk... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 75	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:14:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: nickmunson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. thats bs, a pos defense they bring capitals dreads, and supper carriers. billions of isk to defend their cap, do you even eve bro? you must be a high sec carebear. or an irrelevant eve corp or alliance. cause the past year ive been fighting for these things, billion isk pods with snake implants. feign in MH dropping 2 nyx. like gtfo, real miners do the same, as well as lvl 4 missioners, wormholers, and dont forget incursions , you will not get in a vangaurd fleet unless you bring your best crap. dont speak eve , let alone compare dust to eve. more specialized roles, ect. with the pay outs ccp made tanks and logis not a viable role due to the cost of both . How many of their support ships are officer fitted even? the t3s if not officer fit your doing it wrong, the vargurs officer fit to defend pos ur doing it wrong, the gilas, logi ship if you arent deadspace fit your gimping ur reps n fit. and dont get me started with incursions EVERY incursion ship is dead space fit. like god damn. you really know nothing about wars in eve do you? the occassional pvp in eve (pubs) in dust , you are right, but when you have a 10 bil a month moon mining op in molden heathe like pandemic legion for feign disorder, you get every single advantage and squeeze everything u can to have the best to defend that crap. https://zkillboard.com/kill/45951798/ during a pos defense oopp theirs faction items, https://zkillboard.com/kill/45951798/ again. https://zkillboard.com/kill/45949237/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/45926367/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/45893694/ pos defenses and pos attacks. like i said DO NOT speak eve like you role with the big boys. gtfo you dont even know the occurences of molden heathe in eve. ive lived their for over a year in eve. you go big or go home, that is their income with those player own stations on the planet, just like the districts to us on dust, thats our ****, we are going all out to protect it. but unlike dust , eve is now profitable to defend dust is not, dust u still make isk loosing your crap, so DO NOT COMPARE god damn. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 75	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:17:00 - [19] - Quote the eve battle b tact, there wasnt $300,000 real life money lost to defend their sov space? largest mmo battle with largest amount ever lost, made the news. huh i guess your right cpm and you know eve. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:25:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. WTF are you talking about? Every alliance has Call to arms ships, Fleet ships and fittings fully listed that every alliance member is required to get. From Cruisers, to BC's.. To A-HAC fleets. Every module has to be as good if not better if you hope to get reimbursement for losses from alliance. Pandemic Legion runs extremely skill heavy loadouts with precision fleet tactics to still destroy competition even with vastly inferior numbers. VOLTA runs full deadspace fitted Machariels and 5-10 of them will siege most of Goonswarm's space with fleets of 500 following them.. As they pick and choose who they kill and keep them at range. People talk about how EVE lets you run superior numbers allowing the Goonswarm mentality... Yet the small elite groups are the ones that actually have the power to take space... Often Pandemic legion or elite pvp groups before that being the true source of power and major sov changes. Mercenary Coalition, Triumvirate, Pandemic Legion.. etc..

nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 75	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:34:00 - [21] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. WTF are you talking about? Every alliance has Call to arms ships, Fleet ships and fittings fully listed that every alliance member is required to get. From Cruisers, to BC's.. To A-HAC fleets. Every module has to be as good if not better if you hope to get reimbursement for losses from alliance. DUST is the same, Players are required to be at a certain level to compete in end game PVP where risk and rewards are high. Some will run Officers, but it will largely be rare... EVE? Every Super capital is rocking at least one officer module and everything else deadspace. Pandemic Legion runs extremely skill heavy loadouts with precision fleet tactics to still destroy competition even with vastly inferior numbers. VOLTA runs full deadspace fitted Machariels and 5-10 of them will siege most of Goonswarm's space with fleets of 500 following them.. As they pick and choose who they kill and keep them at range. People talk about how EVE lets you run superior numbers allowing the Goonswarm mentality... Yet the small elite groups are the ones that actually have the power to take space... Often Pandemic legion or elite pvp groups before that being the true source of power and major sov changes. Mercenary Coalition, Triumvirate, Pandemic Legion.. etc.. exactly, and dont forget the group whos changed war in eve, ROOKS AND KINGS, napox, with smart bombs you better dead space that resist or die. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
Shepherd Grey Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 474	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:44:00 - [22] - Quote Speaking with Rattati, I can tell the CPM's are absolutely TRYING to figure this out the best they can. Constructive criticism goes a lot farther than griping. Beneficial ideas they can put on the meeting table take us much closer to progression than sitting around whining about change like old men. Paying out the losers isn't such a bad idea....the way things are, it is quite difficult for new teams to take on the currently battle-hardened PC community that has the capability to batphone almost any top-tiered player IN THE GAME (if they aren't an a$$hat). However, there HAS to be an incentive to have/keep/fight for the districts....period. If not, PC is now a glorified pub - except, I am now forced to show up to battles if someone attacks me, even if I don't want to that day. Yes, you can say holding districts saves me the cost of clone pack attacking. But, what if I'm just done dealing with PC altogether? I wouldn't care about clone pack costs, because attacking districts have no prize in store. TL:DR - Paying losers NOT bad. Districts must produce SOMETHING of VALUE.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2663	Posted - 2015.04.15 05:31:00 - [23] - Quote Shepherd Grey wrote: Speaking with Rattati, I can tell the CPM's are absolutely TRYING to figure this out the best they can. Constructive criticism goes a lot farther than griping. Beneficial ideas they can put on the meeting table take us much closer to progression than sitting around whining about change like old men. Paying out the losers isn't such a bad idea....the way things are, it is quite difficult for new teams to take on the currently battle-hardened PC community that has the capability to batphone almost any top-tiered player IN THE GAME (if they aren't an a$$hat). However, there HAS to be an incentive to have/keep/fight for the districts....period. If not, PC is now a glorified pub - except, I am now forced to show up to battles if someone attacks me, even if I don't want to that day. Yes, you can say holding districts saves me the cost of clone pack attacking. But, what if I'm just done dealing with PC altogether? I wouldn't care about clone pack costs, because attacking districts have no prize in store. TL:DR - Paying losers NOT bad. Districts must produce SOMETHING of VALUE. Rattati's plan was to allow clone sales for command points. That will be the reward for winning the battle. But when does the next phase of warbarges roll out? PSN: RationalSpark

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 20693	Posted - 2015.04.15 05:31:00 - [24] - Quote Shepherd Grey wrote: Speaking with Rattati, I can tell the CPM's are absolutely TRYING to figure this out the best they can. Constructive criticism goes a lot farther than griping. Beneficial ideas they can put on the meeting table take us much closer to progression than sitting around whining about change like old men. Paying out the losers isn't such a bad idea....the way things are, it is quite difficult for new teams to take on the currently battle-hardened PC community that has the capability to batphone almost any top-tiered player IN THE GAME (if they aren't an a$$hat). However, there HAS to be an incentive to have/keep/fight for the districts....period. If not, PC is now a glorified pub - except, I am now forced to show up to battles if someone attacks me, even if I don't want to that day. Yes, you can say holding districts saves me the cost of clone pack attacking. But, what if I'm just done dealing with PC altogether? I wouldn't care about clone pack costs, because attacking districts have no prize in store. TL:DR - Paying losers NOT bad. Districts must produce SOMETHING of VALUE. And the intent is there, the discussions are well ahead with the PC leaders, we are not far from implementing District Value so there will be a short time where PC corps figure out the new landscape. Until then, we stop the exploits. Discussion is here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199167&find=unread "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 997	Posted - 2015.04.15 06:01:00 - [25] - Quote nickmunson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. thats bs, a pos defense they bring capitals dreads, and supper carriers. billions of isk to defend their cap, do you even eve bro? you must be a high sec carebear. or an irrelevant eve corp or alliance. cause the past year ive been fighting for these things, billion isk pods with snake implants. feign in MH dropping 2 nyx. like gtfo, real miners do the same, as well as lvl 4 missioners, wormholers, and dont forget incursions , you will not get in a vangaurd fleet unless you bring your best crap. dont speak eve , let alone compare dust to eve. more specialized roles, ect. with the pay outs ccp made tanks and logis not a viable role due to the cost of both . There are no capital ships beyond standard level. Almost all major eve battles are fought in standard level ships. This would be like all dust battles being fought in standard gear with at best, complex mods and at least adv level weapons. Because in eve... The best gear is expensive, not easy to produce, and not readily available. The marketplaces in eve can often run out of items you use and then you don't have them anymore. Also, expensive losses of items you can't replace easily is the best way to lose to competitors. Economic warfare in eve is a real and viable strategy that dust players don't have to deal with. PC is child's play compared to sovereignty warfare in eve.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2280	Posted - 2015.04.15 06:07:00 - [26] - Quote I must say it's super super sad that the pinnacle of this game would resort to running the cheapest gear possible. #Carebear514 Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2282	Posted - 2015.04.15 06:09:00 - [27] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: nickmunson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. thats bs, a pos defense they bring capitals dreads, and supper carriers. billions of isk to defend their cap, do you even eve bro? you must be a high sec carebear. or an irrelevant eve corp or alliance. cause the past year ive been fighting for these things, billion isk pods with snake implants. feign in MH dropping 2 nyx. like gtfo, real miners do the same, as well as lvl 4 missioners, wormholers, and dont forget incursions , you will not get in a vangaurd fleet unless you bring your best crap. dont speak eve , let alone compare dust to eve. more specialized roles, ect. with the pay outs ccp made tanks and logis not a viable role due to the cost of both . There are no capital ships beyond standard level. Almost all major eve battles are fought in standard level ships. This would be like all dust battles being fought in standard gear with at best, complex mods and at least adv level weapons. Because in eve... The best gear is expensive, not easy to produce, and not readily available. The marketplaces in eve can often run out of items you use and then you don't have them anymore. Also, expensive losses of items you can't replace easily is the best way to lose to competitors. Economic warfare in eve is a real and viable strategy that dust players don't have to deal with. PC is child's play compared to sovereignty warfare in eve. Please remember, one game has been growing for a decade. The other has failed for 2+ years. Adjust accordingly. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1009	Posted - 2015.04.15 06:26:00 - [28] - Quote just to the OP and nick munson as well PC has usually always been about bullying the smaller corps anyway. On losing proto suits, I don't have much sympathy there. That being said, losing side should not get as good a payout as the winning side. That makes district locking even more profitable. Both teams show up in militia gear and both sides get 1.7. mill isk per player. Thats about as exploitative as it gets. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2287	Posted - 2015.04.15 06:45:00 - [29] - Quote [quote=Tesfa Alem]just to the OP and nick munson as well PC has usually always been about bullying the smaller corps anyway. On losing proto suits, I don't have much sympathy there. That being said, losing side should not get as good a payout as the winning side. That makes district locking even more profitable. Both teams show up in militia gear and both sides get 1.7. mill isk per player. I agee. Let's pussify New Eden, because we all need meaningless trophies... Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Shepherd Grey Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 476	Posted - 2015.04.15 07:06:00 - [30] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: just to the OP and nick munson as well PC has usually always been about bullying the smaller corps anyway. On losing proto suits, I don't have much sympathy there. That being said, losing side should not get as good a payout as the winning side. That makes district locking even more profitable. Both teams show up in militia gear and both sides get 1.7. mill isk per player. Thats about as exploitative as it gets. Obviously you haven't been reading. You are payed out based on the total losses the other team suffers. Running militia gear would effectively get you a "militia" payout. 1.7 mil per player payout is the "proto" payout, meaning, everyone running their best fits would get you a maximum 1.7 mil payout. So, if you're willing to queue 32 guys in who all want to lose 3 mil to earn 1.7 mil, you be my guest.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5698	Posted - 2015.04.15 07:10:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target. When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way. Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate. Usually banned for being too awesome.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 79	Posted - 2015.04.15 09:20:00 - [32] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target. When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way. Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate. thank you, and i only disagree in the effect of t3's involved, even though they are sub cap you commonly see them with officer or deadspace mods as they can tank if fit correctly quite a bit as well as be brick tanked. i think a proteus can get a mil ehp or close if done correctly. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound RUST415 281	Posted - 2015.04.15 10:43:00 - [33] - Quote lo just get everyone to back out of pc . its call going on strike , asian haters united lol .
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 79	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:10:00 - [34] - Quote the keep what you kill does not worrk when their is a cap on it. vehicles and logisitcs set ups cause way more, and i know one my proto tanks is the value of the pay out pretty much. rattati your taking out roles in pc, an adv logi suit is about 230k, and logis die more then most. its not penalizing people for trying hard, it hurting people who have certain roles. it becomes who has the most slayers in the game, just like COD . i know this isnt what ccp had in mine. i know coldblooded max from cap acq can go in a pub and make almost as much isk. so why would he play pc anymore if its not worth it and the enemy team is making the same as him even though he has 4000wp in a pc. suggestion, remove any and all caps on the pay outs with the isk destroyed. that makes it viable for logis and vehicle roles. also to prevent exploting, havve say a 50% pay out reduction if one team is in proto and the other is militia. also to prevent 16 slayers and no other roles, you should put more emphasis with the payouts towards wps . i am also curious can you you rattati put something in there for specific kills, like say i go in and kill 23 out of 230, i killed 10% there personally, can you put personal stats affecting pay out amounts that if you get 50% of the kills that you make more then other players on the team,, but a logi with top wps would still make more for doing the logistics? love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
Corbina Ninja ItalPetrolCemeTermoTessilFarmaMetalChimica 1267	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:13:00 - [35] - Quote Pub old problem: protostompers PC new problem: militia troll something does not work «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5700	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:11:00 - [36] - Quote nickmunson wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target. When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way. Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate. thank you, and i only disagree in the effect of t3's involved, even though they are sub cap you commonly see them with officer or deadspace mods as they can tank if fit correctly quite a bit as well as be brick tanked. i think a proteus can get a mil ehp or close if done correctly. Yea you're right T3's kinda fit into their own section. It's hard to discount some of the broken stuff you can do with them. Usually banned for being too awesome.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:45:00 - [37] - Quote Pub matches suck because winning isn't worth it. FW sucks because people can AFK and earn a Proto suit plus. Now, the only place to earn is gimped. I guess when everyone stops playing they'll try buffing payouts. Stuff to Trade? Check out Jadek's Trading Tool HERE
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7084	Posted - 2015.04.16 02:24:00 - [38] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: I must say it's super super sad that the pinnacle of this game would resort to running the cheapest gear possible. #Carebear514 As opposed to being able to farm ISK off of it?
Vyuru Algintal Core Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2015.04.16 03:43:00 - [39] - Quote I fail to see the issues people are complaining about... Assuming PC districts will have reasons to make them profitable like I've seen CCP talking about, there will be a market for things that districts produce. Even if there isn't, all this means is that the PC corps will need to take a break from PC every now and then and run a Pub match to earn ISK. The horror. As for EVE... It's already been said. There are certain situations where running expensive gear is appropriate, and where it is not. Do not act like all corps can run uber expensive gear all the time. Frankly, either the stupidly rich or the stupidly led corps did that from what I have/had seen. I seem to remember some Eve news where losing enough expensive ships, modules, and resources broke corporations financially, and they were not able to grow back from their losses. It's all about your logistics, and risk vs rewards. Oh, and before I hear "blah blah blah, you don't run expensive fits blah blah blah." What I based my WH Legion on: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25568-Legion-Legion-C3-Sleepers.html Paid for itself eventually, could I afford to lose it? Not really. It'd take awhile to earn up the isk again, but it wouldn't break me, I had other ways to make Isk. My corp prided itself on butchering people in better fitted ships with our cheaper T1 PvP fits, typically cruisers, including a handful of capital ship kills before I stopped playing.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2578	Posted - 2015.04.16 06:14:00 - [40] - Quote nickmunson wrote: 2.) pc is now a bully514 arena. "Now" Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.

DaNizzle4shizle G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1023	Posted - 2015.04.16 12:50:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Shepherd Grey wrote: Speaking with Rattati, I can tell the CPM's are absolutely TRYING to figure this out the best they can. Constructive criticism goes a lot farther than griping. Beneficial ideas they can put on the meeting table take us much closer to progression than sitting around whining about change like old men. Paying out the losers isn't such a bad idea....the way things are, it is quite difficult for new teams to take on the currently battle-hardened PC community that has the capability to batphone almost any top-tiered player IN THE GAME (if they aren't an a$$hat). However, there HAS to be an incentive to have/keep/fight for the districts....period. If not, PC is now a glorified pub - except, I am now forced to show up to battles if someone attacks me, even if I don't want to that day. Yes, you can say holding districts saves me the cost of clone pack attacking. But, what if I'm just done dealing with PC altogether? I wouldn't care about clone pack costs, because attacking districts have no prize in store. TL:DR - Paying losers NOT bad. Districts must produce SOMETHING of VALUE. And the intent is there, the discussions are well ahead with the PC leaders, we are not far from implementing District Value so there will be a short time where PC corps figure out the new landscape. Until then, we stop the exploits. Discussion is here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199167&find=unread +1 rattati! no more farmers Desire means never quit. LvL 1 Forum Warrior. If it makes no sense in your head, it should make sense to me.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 601	Posted - 2015.04.16 13:00:00 - [42] - Quote Funny, there was a time when PC was supposed to be about conquering planets and holding them for EVE corps ro farm resources. Due to overmarketing of the EVE connection mechanics, it never got beyond the epeen stage and now has people defending it as a simple money making endeavor. Oh well. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.


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