DUST Search - ridiculous changes to PC isk payouts

nickmunson wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear.

I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before.

No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot.

Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less.

Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target.

When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way.

Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate.

thank you, and i only disagree in the effect of t3's involved, even though they are sub cap you commonly see them with officer or deadspace mods as they can tank if fit correctly quite a bit as well as be brick tanked. i think a proteus can get a mil ehp or close if done correctly.

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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5698	Posted - 2015.04.15 07:10:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target. When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way. Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate. Usually banned for being too awesome.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 79	Posted - 2015.04.15 09:20:00 - [32] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target. When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way. Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate. thank you, and i only disagree in the effect of t3's involved, even though they are sub cap you commonly see them with officer or deadspace mods as they can tank if fit correctly quite a bit as well as be brick tanked. i think a proteus can get a mil ehp or close if done correctly. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound RUST415 281	Posted - 2015.04.15 10:43:00 - [33] - Quote lo just get everyone to back out of pc . its call going on strike , asian haters united lol .
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 79	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:10:00 - [34] - Quote the keep what you kill does not worrk when their is a cap on it. vehicles and logisitcs set ups cause way more, and i know one my proto tanks is the value of the pay out pretty much. rattati your taking out roles in pc, an adv logi suit is about 230k, and logis die more then most. its not penalizing people for trying hard, it hurting people who have certain roles. it becomes who has the most slayers in the game, just like COD . i know this isnt what ccp had in mine. i know coldblooded max from cap acq can go in a pub and make almost as much isk. so why would he play pc anymore if its not worth it and the enemy team is making the same as him even though he has 4000wp in a pc. suggestion, remove any and all caps on the pay outs with the isk destroyed. that makes it viable for logis and vehicle roles. also to prevent exploting, havve say a 50% pay out reduction if one team is in proto and the other is militia. also to prevent 16 slayers and no other roles, you should put more emphasis with the payouts towards wps . i am also curious can you you rattati put something in there for specific kills, like say i go in and kill 23 out of 230, i killed 10% there personally, can you put personal stats affecting pay out amounts that if you get 50% of the kills that you make more then other players on the team,, but a logi with top wps would still make more for doing the logistics? love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
Corbina Ninja ItalPetrolCemeTermoTessilFarmaMetalChimica 1267	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:13:00 - [35] - Quote Pub old problem: protostompers PC new problem: militia troll something does not work «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5700	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:11:00 - [36] - Quote nickmunson wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target. When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way. Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate. thank you, and i only disagree in the effect of t3's involved, even though they are sub cap you commonly see them with officer or deadspace mods as they can tank if fit correctly quite a bit as well as be brick tanked. i think a proteus can get a mil ehp or close if done correctly. Yea you're right T3's kinda fit into their own section. It's hard to discount some of the broken stuff you can do with them. Usually banned for being too awesome.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:45:00 - [37] - Quote Pub matches suck because winning isn't worth it. FW sucks because people can AFK and earn a Proto suit plus. Now, the only place to earn is gimped. I guess when everyone stops playing they'll try buffing payouts. Stuff to Trade? Check out Jadek's Trading Tool HERE
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7084	Posted - 2015.04.16 02:24:00 - [38] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: I must say it's super super sad that the pinnacle of this game would resort to running the cheapest gear possible. #Carebear514 As opposed to being able to farm ISK off of it?
Vyuru Algintal Core Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2015.04.16 03:43:00 - [39] - Quote I fail to see the issues people are complaining about... Assuming PC districts will have reasons to make them profitable like I've seen CCP talking about, there will be a market for things that districts produce. Even if there isn't, all this means is that the PC corps will need to take a break from PC every now and then and run a Pub match to earn ISK. The horror. As for EVE... It's already been said. There are certain situations where running expensive gear is appropriate, and where it is not. Do not act like all corps can run uber expensive gear all the time. Frankly, either the stupidly rich or the stupidly led corps did that from what I have/had seen. I seem to remember some Eve news where losing enough expensive ships, modules, and resources broke corporations financially, and they were not able to grow back from their losses. It's all about your logistics, and risk vs rewards. Oh, and before I hear "blah blah blah, you don't run expensive fits blah blah blah." What I based my WH Legion on: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25568-Legion-Legion-C3-Sleepers.html Paid for itself eventually, could I afford to lose it? Not really. It'd take awhile to earn up the isk again, but it wouldn't break me, I had other ways to make Isk. My corp prided itself on butchering people in better fitted ships with our cheaper T1 PvP fits, typically cruisers, including a handful of capital ship kills before I stopped playing.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2578	Posted - 2015.04.16 06:14:00 - [40] - Quote nickmunson wrote: 2.) pc is now a bully514 arena. "Now" Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.

DaNizzle4shizle G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1023	Posted - 2015.04.16 12:50:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Shepherd Grey wrote: Speaking with Rattati, I can tell the CPM's are absolutely TRYING to figure this out the best they can. Constructive criticism goes a lot farther than griping. Beneficial ideas they can put on the meeting table take us much closer to progression than sitting around whining about change like old men. Paying out the losers isn't such a bad idea....the way things are, it is quite difficult for new teams to take on the currently battle-hardened PC community that has the capability to batphone almost any top-tiered player IN THE GAME (if they aren't an a$$hat). However, there HAS to be an incentive to have/keep/fight for the districts....period. If not, PC is now a glorified pub - except, I am now forced to show up to battles if someone attacks me, even if I don't want to that day. Yes, you can say holding districts saves me the cost of clone pack attacking. But, what if I'm just done dealing with PC altogether? I wouldn't care about clone pack costs, because attacking districts have no prize in store. TL:DR - Paying losers NOT bad. Districts must produce SOMETHING of VALUE. And the intent is there, the discussions are well ahead with the PC leaders, we are not far from implementing District Value so there will be a short time where PC corps figure out the new landscape. Until then, we stop the exploits. Discussion is here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199167&find=unread +1 rattati! no more farmers Desire means never quit. LvL 1 Forum Warrior. If it makes no sense in your head, it should make sense to me.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 601	Posted - 2015.04.16 13:00:00 - [42] - Quote Funny, there was a time when PC was supposed to be about conquering planets and holding them for EVE corps ro farm resources. Due to overmarketing of the EVE connection mechanics, it never got beyond the epeen stage and now has people defending it as a simple money making endeavor. Oh well. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.


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