DUST Search - ridiculous changes to PC isk payouts

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear.

I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before.

No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot.

Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less.

Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target.

When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way.

Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate.


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nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 68	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:00:00 - [1] - Quote conclussion: pc is now who can field the best 16 in milita gear and pray on weak corps that if the weaker corp want to compete have to run better gear in order even be competiive 2.) pc is now a bully514 arena. 3.) its to late as well for the wealthy corps who have made 100s of billions such as nyain, eventually they will drain your wallet to try and hold land. 4.) any small or new corp will be easily wiped out of pc or go broke trying to hold a piece of land that offers nothing now either dust or eve. before it was a profitable mode that inspired players to get better at the game to compete and make real isk. now its just a laughing stock i stated this all prior to this and tested to prove to ccp that this would not work, if ccp does not believe please contact the ceo of gods among men. the ceos name is her nibs. took that with no isk lost and they lost millions in suits and equiptment. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 68	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:03:00 - [2] - Quote if anything ccp just killed it for new corps and small corps, this was tested a week and a half ago vs GAM when cap all ran bpo's and flipped the district. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 68	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:06:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. thats bs, a pos defense they bring capitals dreads, and supper carriers. billions of isk to defend their cap, do you even eve bro? you must be a high sec carebear. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 75	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:14:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: nickmunson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. thats bs, a pos defense they bring capitals dreads, and supper carriers. billions of isk to defend their cap, do you even eve bro? you must be a high sec carebear. or an irrelevant eve corp or alliance. cause the past year ive been fighting for these things, billion isk pods with snake implants. feign in MH dropping 2 nyx. like gtfo, real miners do the same, as well as lvl 4 missioners, wormholers, and dont forget incursions , you will not get in a vangaurd fleet unless you bring your best crap. dont speak eve , let alone compare dust to eve. more specialized roles, ect. with the pay outs ccp made tanks and logis not a viable role due to the cost of both . How many of their support ships are officer fitted even? the t3s if not officer fit your doing it wrong, the vargurs officer fit to defend pos ur doing it wrong, the gilas, logi ship if you arent deadspace fit your gimping ur reps n fit. and dont get me started with incursions EVERY incursion ship is dead space fit. like god damn. you really know nothing about wars in eve do you? the occassional pvp in eve (pubs) in dust , you are right, but when you have a 10 bil a month moon mining op in molden heathe like pandemic legion for feign disorder, you get every single advantage and squeeze everything u can to have the best to defend that crap. https://zkillboard.com/kill/45951798/ during a pos defense oopp theirs faction items, https://zkillboard.com/kill/45951798/ again. https://zkillboard.com/kill/45949237/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/45926367/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/45893694/ pos defenses and pos attacks. like i said DO NOT speak eve like you role with the big boys. gtfo you dont even know the occurences of molden heathe in eve. ive lived their for over a year in eve. you go big or go home, that is their income with those player own stations on the planet, just like the districts to us on dust, thats our ****, we are going all out to protect it. but unlike dust , eve is now profitable to defend dust is not, dust u still make isk loosing your crap, so DO NOT COMPARE god damn. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 75	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:17:00 - [5] - Quote the eve battle b tact, there wasnt $300,000 real life money lost to defend their sov space? largest mmo battle with largest amount ever lost, made the news. huh i guess your right cpm and you know eve. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 75	Posted - 2015.04.15 04:34:00 - [6] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. WTF are you talking about? Every alliance has Call to arms ships, Fleet ships and fittings fully listed that every alliance member is required to get. From Cruisers, to BC's.. To A-HAC fleets. Every module has to be as good if not better if you hope to get reimbursement for losses from alliance. DUST is the same, Players are required to be at a certain level to compete in end game PVP where risk and rewards are high. Some will run Officers, but it will largely be rare... EVE? Every Super capital is rocking at least one officer module and everything else deadspace. Pandemic Legion runs extremely skill heavy loadouts with precision fleet tactics to still destroy competition even with vastly inferior numbers. VOLTA runs full deadspace fitted Machariels and 5-10 of them will siege most of Goonswarm's space with fleets of 500 following them.. As they pick and choose who they kill and keep them at range. People talk about how EVE lets you run superior numbers allowing the Goonswarm mentality... Yet the small elite groups are the ones that actually have the power to take space... Often Pandemic legion or elite pvp groups before that being the true source of power and major sov changes. Mercenary Coalition, Triumvirate, Pandemic Legion.. etc.. exactly, and dont forget the group whos changed war in eve, ROOKS AND KINGS, napox, with smart bombs you better dead space that resist or die. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 79	Posted - 2015.04.15 09:20:00 - [7] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Not even in eve do they show up in the best absolute gear. I see someone has never experienced wormhole pvp before. No WH where not around back then; but if you showed up to fleet muster in an officer fitted ship the FC would have you ordered shot. Killboards are serious business when your corp is a mercenary group emphasizing doing more with less. Pirates and wormhole people run the best stuff in the game on a rather regular basis. Large nullsec fleets only run the good stuff on capital ships because subcaps get alpha'd too fast during an engagement for it to make a difference when 100+ people decide to primary the poor individual in question. Whoever gets targeted is going to be instantly gone either way, and shots are always lost to an already dead target. When the fights are closer to 30-60 territory its a different matter. Linger in Curse you will run into officer Macherial gangs. Set up in a C5+ and it wont be long until the Russians come knocking with the officer Bhaalgorn fleets. Whoever is set up inside a wormhole has a home advantage due to having capitals built inside the system, but its more difficult to get invading capitals inside due to mass limitations. This makes officer Bhaalgorns a key tool in taking out capitals in WH engagements. They need to be able to kick ass in a big way. Real high roller pvp does happen, but officer mods get used where they are appropriate. Subcaps with officer mods in 2000 man fleet fights isn't really appropriate. thank you, and i only disagree in the effect of t3's involved, even though they are sub cap you commonly see them with officer or deadspace mods as they can tank if fit correctly quite a bit as well as be brick tanked. i think a proteus can get a mil ehp or close if done correctly. love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 79	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote the keep what you kill does not worrk when their is a cap on it. vehicles and logisitcs set ups cause way more, and i know one my proto tanks is the value of the pay out pretty much. rattati your taking out roles in pc, an adv logi suit is about 230k, and logis die more then most. its not penalizing people for trying hard, it hurting people who have certain roles. it becomes who has the most slayers in the game, just like COD . i know this isnt what ccp had in mine. i know coldblooded max from cap acq can go in a pub and make almost as much isk. so why would he play pc anymore if its not worth it and the enemy team is making the same as him even though he has 4000wp in a pc. suggestion, remove any and all caps on the pay outs with the isk destroyed. that makes it viable for logis and vehicle roles. also to prevent exploting, havve say a 50% pay out reduction if one team is in proto and the other is militia. also to prevent 16 slayers and no other roles, you should put more emphasis with the payouts towards wps . i am also curious can you you rattati put something in there for specific kills, like say i go in and kill 23 out of 230, i killed 10% there personally, can you put personal stats affecting pay out amounts that if you get 50% of the kills that you make more then other players on the team,, but a logi with top wps would still make more for doing the logistics? love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.