DUST Search - First glimpse at Racial Tanks

DUST Fiend wrote:

DiablosMajora wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

P14GU3 wrote:

People rage about racial parity, we get placeholder tanks so we at least have parity, and people still *****.

Entitled much? Your mommy should have took away your candy and whooped your ass more. Spoiled brats..

You can't blame people for being a little upset that CCP has all but removed all form of meaningful development for this game in favor of developing phone apps. Perhaps your mommy should have whooped your ass a bit more in the spirit of civility

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Got a source on that?
As I recall, full fledged development for Project Nemesis isn't happening, and a group of less than five devs doesn't equal "remov(ing) all form of meaningful development in favor of developing phone apps".

How bout this: would you rather have a series of broken promises and PureHype(tm) from the old dev team, or a series of iterations producing actual results under Ratatti's leadership?

I would rather have CCP either devote resources to their game, giving it a proper dev team, or to come out and say that this games dev team is working full time on Legion.

Being content with a dev team this size, using such minimal resources, is basically giving up on the dream of dust being anything other than a slightly unique lobby shooter with no real connection to EVE what so ever.

That "group of less than 5 devs" is likely at least or over half the size of DUSTs current Dev team. I can't imagine this team having more than 15 people, and that's being pretty damn optimistic, though I quite certainly could be wrong.

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DUST Fiend 16310	Posted - 2015.04.10 18:53:00 - [31] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: P14GU3 wrote: People rage about racial parity, we get placeholder tanks so we at least have parity, and people still *****. Entitled much? Your mommy should have took away your candy and whooped your ass more. Spoiled brats.. You can't blame people for being a little upset that CCP has all but removed all form of meaningful development for this game in favor of developing phone apps. Perhaps your mommy should have whooped your ass a bit more in the spirit of civility Got a source on that? As I recall, full fledged development for Project Nemesis isn't happening, and a group of less than five devs doesn't equal "remov(ing) all form of meaningful development in favor of developing phone apps". How bout this: would you rather have a series of broken promises and PureHype(tm) from the old dev team, or a series of iterations producing actual results under Ratatti's leadership? I would rather have CCP either devote resources to their game, giving it a proper dev team, or to come out and say that this games dev team is working full time on Legion. Being content with a dev team this size, using such minimal resources, is basically giving up on the dream of dust being anything other than a slightly unique lobby shooter with no real connection to EVE what so ever. That "group of less than 5 devs" is likely at least or over half the size of DUSTs current Dev team. I can't imagine this team having more than 15 people, and that's being pretty damn optimistic, though I quite certainly could be wrong. Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe
Foundation Seldon Demonite's Legion 945	Posted - 2015.04.10 18:56:00 - [32] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I would rather have CCP either devote resources to their game, giving it a proper dev team, or to come out and say that this games dev team is working full time on Legion. Being content with a dev team this size, using such minimal resources, is basically giving up on the dream of dust being anything other than I slightly unique lobby shooter with no real connection to EVE what so ever. . And that's okay. Given the scope of the original vision of the game combined with the technical limitations of the platform I think this was pretty much an inevitable situation. I'll take what we can get.
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 163	Posted - 2015.04.10 18:57:00 - [33] - Quote Hopefully racial parity in vehicles will lead to a true balance against av.
DUST Fiend 16310	Posted - 2015.04.10 18:59:00 - [34] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: I'll take what we can get. And sadly, this is the exact state of the game. It is what it is. Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe
Peter Hanther Kottentale Solutions 95	Posted - 2015.04.10 19:00:00 - [35] - Quote besides the pretty visuals. Have they posted how they preform differently stat wise? How can Kottentale Solutions help you?
DiablosMajora 91	Posted - 2015.04.10 19:03:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: P14GU3 wrote: People rage about racial parity, we get placeholder tanks so we at least have parity, and people still ****. Entitled much? Your mommy should have took away your candy and whooped your ass more. Spoiled brats.. You can't blame people for being a little upset that CCP has all but removed all form of meaningful development for this game in favor of developing phone apps. Perhaps your mommy should have whooped your ass a bit more in the spirit of civility Got a source on that? As I recall, full fledged development for Project Nemesis isn't happening, and a group of less than five devs doesn't equal "remov(ing) all form of meaningful development in favor of developing phone apps". How bout this: would you rather have a series of broken promises and PureHype(tm) from the old dev team, or a series of iterations producing actual results under Ratatti's leadership? I would rather have CCP either devote resources to their game, giving it a proper dev team, or to come out and say that this games dev team is working full time on Legion. Being content with a dev team this size, using such minimal resources, is basically giving up on the dream of dust being anything other than a slightly unique lobby shooter with no real connection to EVE what so ever. That "group of less than 5 devs" is likely at least or over half the size of DUSTs current Dev team. I can't imagine this team having more than 15 people, and that's being pretty damn optimistic, though I quite certainly could be wrong. As I understand, a good portion of the past Dust devs were moved to Valkyrie under Rogue's command. While this is not optimal for Dust, they are at least getting experience using UE4 for a project that has momentum AND has proven to be more than a string of broken promises. This can only be a positive for the Shanghai branch in the long run. I would agree that moving Dust to a PC would be the best scenario, along with a full fledged dev team, but the reality is that the old Executive Leader & Co. made a bunch of royal fkups and squandered development to such learge degree that it is and was a better business decision to reallocate resources. The fact that development hasn't* stopped for Dust and is picking momentum back up, in addition to starting to turn a profit, is nothing to sneer at. It is very promising, though a sceptical eye is warranted. Prepare your angus
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2015.04.10 19:22:00 - [37] - Quote Of course they are basically reskin and re-using assets. Do people really believe they have the manpower to create entirely new assets ? Literally , the last new asset that was introduced in dust was at the end of 2013 I think. They had to be reskins. DUST Fiend wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: P14GU3 wrote: People rage about racial parity, we get placeholder tanks so we at least have parity, and people still *****. Entitled much? Your mommy should have took away your candy and whooped your ass more. Spoiled brats.. You can't blame people for being a little upset that CCP has all but removed all form of meaningful development for this game in favor of developing phone apps. Perhaps your mommy should have whooped your ass a bit more in the spirit of civility Got a source on that? As I recall, full fledged development for Project Nemesis isn't happening, and a group of less than five devs doesn't equal "remov(ing) all form of meaningful development in favor of developing phone apps". How bout this: would you rather have a series of broken promises and PureHype(tm) from the old dev team, or a series of iterations producing actual results under Ratatti's leadership? I would rather have CCP either devote resources to their game, giving it a proper dev team, or to come out and say that this games dev team is working full time on Legion. Being content with a dev team this size, using such minimal resources, is basically giving up on the dream of dust being anything other than a slightly unique lobby shooter with no real connection to EVE what so ever. That "group of less than 5 devs" is likely at least or over half the size of DUSTs current Dev team. I can't imagine this team having more than 15 people, and that's being pretty damn optimistic, though I quite certainly could be wrong. That happen after fanfest 2014 publicly and officially sometime before fanfest , it shouldn't be upsetting at this point.
Mary Sedillo Eternal Beings 464	Posted - 2015.04.10 19:36:00 - [38] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Meet mary sedillo, the new mouthpiece for spkr4thedead and Takahiro. Wave to the mouthpiece everyone. I am no one's mouthpiece. I've been around for a long time. Find a real corp, "Goonfleet" sycophant.
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4348	Posted - 2015.04.10 19:39:00 - [39] - Quote whats the point of the minnie tank? Shields suck hard in tank fights and all the speed advantage will mean crap when a madrugar is charging you with a fuel injector and a blaster. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 64	Posted - 2015.04.10 19:43:00 - [40] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: whats the point of the minnie tank? Shields suck hard in tank fights and all the speed advantage will mean crap when a madrugar is charging you with a fuel injector and a blaster. -The Minmatar tank with a speed mod will most likely out run a Madrugar with a speed mod any day. As far as a Madrugar charging, That just means that Minmatar Tankers will have to adapt new tactics to avoid them. - Matar tanks will probably be Hard Mode for tankers however it will probably be the most rewarding when you master them. -Minmatar are also known at times to effectively dual tank both armor and shields. It would be interesting to see how that plays out for HAV's. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.

The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4348	Posted - 2015.04.10 20:17:00 - [41] - Quote Marcus Stormfire wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: whats the point of the minnie tank? Shields suck hard in tank fights and all the speed advantage will mean crap when a madrugar is charging you with a fuel injector and a blaster. -The Minmatar tank with a speed mod will most likely out run a Madrugar with a speed mod any day. As far as a Madrugar charging, That just means that Minmatar Tankers will have to adapt new tactics to avoid them. - Matar tanks will probably be Hard Mode for tankers however it will probably be the most rewarding when you master them. -Minmatar are also known at times to effectively dual tank both armor and shields. It would be interesting to see how that plays out for HAV's. -Marcus lol dual tanking. That doesnt work with tanks, you cannot apply the concept of "brick tanking" from suits to vehicles. You focus on one tank and not two. And if a tank cannot stand its ground vs av or a other tank then it is useless. Just like the min sentinel. Yes its fast like a assault but has horrid HP values and horrid regen capability. Railgun madrugar/gunnlogi> minmatarr tank. However the tank turrets will interest me simply because of the damage profile. Amarr turrets= +20% vs shields and -20% armor minmatarr turrets= -20% vs shields and +20% vs armor. So the meta will be to use a madrugar with a minmatarr turret just so you are capable to shred other madrugars to pieces. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 65	Posted - 2015.04.10 20:48:00 - [42] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: lol dual tanking. That doesnt work with tanks, you cannot apply the concept of "brick tanking" from suits to vehicles. You focus on one tank and not two. And if a tank cannot stand its ground vs av or a other tank then it is useless. Just like the min sentinel. Yes its fast like a assault but has horrid HP values and horrid regen capability. Railgun madrugar/gunnlogi> minmatarr tank. . . -Hard to be an expert and claim that dual tanking will not work on a minmatar tank since the stats have not even been released =P. -The Minmatar Sentinel is probably the most evil suit I have ever played with. -You are not running the Min Sentinel for regen or raw HP value. You are running it as a shock trooper. Nothing like popping out of a random spot and hit the enemy team before they know whats going on. You take damage you don't sit around and tank like the Amaar and the Gallente, use cover and use your speed to flank them. I imagine that is what the Minmatar tank will be good at. -This is what makes the game great. The ability to theory-craft fits and tactics to adapt to a brutal battlefield. That is what the minmatar (and possibly their tanks) do best. They are very specialized but have lethal roles to play. -The old saying goes. "Don't knock it until you try it." -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Foundation Seldon Demonite's Legion 945	Posted - 2015.04.10 20:56:00 - [43] - Quote Marcus Stormfire wrote: -Hard to be an expert and claim that dual tanking will not work on a minmatar tank since the stats have not even been released =P. -The Minmatar Sentinel -Marcus You're kind of showing your ignorance of the current tanking situation at the moment, I mean that in the kindest possible way. The reality of the situation is that shields suck at the moment. Armor gives you more base hit points on top of a regen rate that's simultaneously higher than the shield regen rate and uninterruptable. Combine that with armor hardeners being buffed to 40% and the picture becomes pretty clear. Shield Boosters are still broken. Low slots > High slots and dual tanking isn't viable because Shields in their current state aren't viable. Your rant on the Minmatar sentinel is sort of irrelevant here.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3361	Posted - 2015.04.10 20:56:00 - [44] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Meet mary sedillo, the new mouthpiece for spkr4thedead and Takahiro. Wave to the mouthpiece everyone. Anybody that doesn't carry the water everyone else is carrying must be silenced. For some people this is of course true but most of us here are critical of CCP (Hell I know I've been banned in the past from the forums, hasn't everyone?) however we also understand the realistic limitations of what can be done right now. Be critical, keep putting forward your ideas even if the rest of people do not agree with you, argue your point but try and be constructive when possible. Also purchase more aurum and buy **** from CCP if you expect anything more to happen with the game. Money talks in his life. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7969	Posted - 2015.04.10 21:09:00 - [45] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Meet mary sedillo, the new mouthpiece for spkr4thedead and Takahiro. Wave to the mouthpiece everyone. I am no one's mouthpiece. I've been around for a long time. Find a real corp, "Goonfleet" sycophant. Try Goonwaffe "member" pubbie. AV
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 65	Posted - 2015.04.10 21:17:00 - [46] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Marcus Stormfire wrote: -Hard to be an expert and claim that dual tanking will not work on a minmatar tank since the stats have not even been released =P. -The Minmatar Sentinel -Marcus You're kind of showing your ignorance of the current tanking situation at the moment, I mean that in the kindest possible way. The reality of the situation is that shields suck at the moment. Armor gives you more base hit points on top of a regen rate that's simultaneously higher than the shield regen rate and uninterruptable. Combine that with armor hardeners being buffed to 40% and the picture becomes pretty clear. Shield Boosters are still broken. Low slots > High slots and dual tanking isn't viable because Shields in their current state aren't viable. Your rant on the Minmatar sentinel is sort of irrelevant here. Ahh, what you were referring to are broken shield mechanics and armor mechanics thus why dual tanking is not viable. I thought you were outright saying that the Minmatar tank can not dual tank and that you had to choose one or the other and that's it. I must have read your initial statement wrong. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Mary Sedillo Eternal Beings 466	Posted - 2015.04.10 21:19:00 - [47] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Meet mary sedillo, the new mouthpiece for spkr4thedead and Takahiro. Wave to the mouthpiece everyone. I am no one's mouthpiece. I've been around for a long time. Find a real corp, "Goonfleet" sycophant. Try Goonwaffe "member" pubbie. Yeah -- keep it up with the troll. Bring out some armor when you see me. Prepare to lose ISK.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6148	Posted - 2015.04.10 21:34:00 - [48] - Quote Should of used the Caldari models for Amarr... (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7969	Posted - 2015.04.10 21:39:00 - [49] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Meet mary sedillo, the new mouthpiece for spkr4thedead and Takahiro. Wave to the mouthpiece everyone. I am no one's mouthpiece. I've been around for a long time. Find a real corp, "Goonfleet" sycophant. Try Goonwaffe "member" pubbie. Yeah -- keep it up with the troll. Bring out some armor when you see me. Prepare to lose ISK. I don't drive. I destroy. You'll be the one losing. AV
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 289	Posted - 2015.04.10 22:14:00 - [50] - Quote amarr tank needs more gold Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home

Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 242	Posted - 2015.04.10 23:12:00 - [51] - Quote Welp it's better than no tanks I suppose Finding new stuff to watch is nice,like Rwby~
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3707	Posted - 2015.04.10 23:59:00 - [52] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Because CCP are cheap-asses that want to invest 0 dollars into this game by keeping a skeleton crew of one at the helm who, understandably, can't solo the rendering work needed to add additional content to the game. CCP wishes to continue collecting money for aurum for this game but cannot seem to find the competent crew who can make the game shine, as a team! Anyways -- yeah. Or, maybe, they are bouncing off the limits of the console/engine, and recoloring existing wireframes is the only way to add new content. Be thankful. You're getting new toys.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 764	Posted - 2015.04.11 00:05:00 - [53] - Quote It might be a memory thing. I mean, I am not pleased by the fact that the new models are EXACTLY like the old models just with skins -- but that also means less memory needs to be loaded into game. So maybe a decision based on hardware performance?
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 454	Posted - 2015.04.11 00:12:00 - [54] - Quote Reskins on fleek Death by laser is imminent


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