DUST Search - Why don't we have to actually purchase clones?

Vrain Matari wrote:

Joel II X wrote:

Sure, we buy the suits and whatever else we slap on it, but what about the actual flesh mesh inside? Why are they just thrown to us like nothing? Who's paying for it?

Are we just using Standard Combat Clone BPOs, or something? What if we could actually purchase different types of clones such as Combat Clones, Athletic Clones, Cheap-o Clones, etc?

Or, what if we were given a few freebie clones when we start out, and have to buy a clone Bay or something similar to keep supplying ourselves with fresh meat?
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It's a good question.

Clones do cost ISK. So does the ammo we spawn with.

CCP missed the boat completely on this and it's immersion-breaking and nonsensical. If we keep in mind the end-goal for production in New Eden, ultimately everything that gets consumed on the battlefield should be produced by another player. When no mechanism exists for player production of an item, npc corps sell that item through the ISK market.

Likewise the entire nanite-economy backstory that makes the merc existence/contracts possible is not presented at all to players and there are several missed opportunities for immersive and satisfying mechanics that we've given up by cheesing/neglecting the backstory.

It's one of those things where a bit of devtime and some attention to lore/detail can add a lot to the player experience, increase immersion and provide interesting and engaging game mechanics. Furthermore, once the investment is made it's basically a no-maintenance addition to the game that utilizes virtually no resources from a very tight budget.

Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!

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Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7008	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:24:00 - [1] - Quote Sure, we buy the suits and whatever else we slap on it, but what about the actual flesh mesh inside? Why are they just thrown to us like nothing? Who's paying for it? Are we just using Standard Combat Clone BPOs, or something? What if we could actually purchase different types of clones such as Combat Clones, Athletic Clones, Cheap-o Clones, etc? Or, what if we were given a few freebie clones when we start out, and have to buy a clone Bay or something similar to keep supplying ourselves with fresh meat? Sidenote: I wish we had the mission music from EvE for our respective races for battles.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4348	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:27:00 - [2] - Quote NPC corps which hires you. Always blame solar storms if something doesn't work as expected
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7008	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:30:00 - [3] - Quote shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 203	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:33:00 - [4] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Sure, we buy the suits and whatever else we slap on it, but what about the actual flesh mesh inside? Why are they just thrown to us like nothing? Who's paying for it? Are we just using Standard Combat Clone BPOs, or something? What if we could actually purchase different types of clones such as Combat Clones, Athletic Clones, Cheap-o Clones, etc? Or, what if we were given a few freebie clones when we start out, and have to buy a clone Bay or something similar to keep supplying ourselves with fresh meat? Sidenote: I wish we had the mission music from EvE for our respective races for battles. The whole point of the suit is to use it for clone housing, if the teck exists I dont think there are ground forces anywhere in eve that use the suits WITHOUT the clone teck. With that inmind the clone cost is probably built into the suit cost n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +24 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Spademan Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6227	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:36:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Either you buy a clone pack or you make them using districts. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7930	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:52:00 - [6] - Quote You buy/generate clones fighting for corp assets in molden heath/PC/whatever. However, when you play for NPC corps/empire militias they are considered to provide that portion of war materiels AV
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18102	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:01:00 - [7] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: Joel II X wrote: Sure, we buy the suits and whatever else we slap on it, but what about the actual flesh mesh inside? Why are they just thrown to us like nothing? Who's paying for it? Are we just using Standard Combat Clone BPOs, or something? What if we could actually purchase different types of clones such as Combat Clones, Athletic Clones, Cheap-o Clones, etc? Or, what if we were given a few freebie clones when we start out, and have to buy a clone Bay or something similar to keep supplying ourselves with fresh meat? Sidenote: I wish we had the mission music from EvE for our respective races for battles. The whole point of the suit is to use it for clone housing, if the teck exists I dont think there are ground forces anywhere in eve that use the suits WITHOUT the clone teck. With that inmind the clone cost is probably built into the suit cost Indeed at this time only Clones can use Dropsuit technology as the dropsuit is constructed around a flash-moulded clone body designed to withstand the effects of weapon a powered exoskeleton which could include radiation poisoning, broken bones, etc. Clone costs for our combat operations are always likely to be supplied by the hiring corporation. Since you do not PC you are not buying your own clone ever. If you chose to RP that you have clones it must mean you have purchased them yourself via your RP. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2658	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:43:00 - [8] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Sure, we buy the suits and whatever else we slap on it, but what about the actual flesh mesh inside? Why are they just thrown to us like nothing? Who's paying for it? Are we just using Standard Combat Clone BPOs, or something? What if we could actually purchase different types of clones such as Combat Clones, Athletic Clones, Cheap-o Clones, etc? Or, what if we were given a few freebie clones when we start out, and have to buy a clone Bay or something similar to keep supplying ourselves with fresh meat? ... It's a good question. Clones do cost ISK. So does the ammo we spawn with. CCP missed the boat completely on this and it's immersion-breaking and nonsensical. If we keep in mind the end-goal for production in New Eden, ultimately everything that gets consumed on the battlefield should be produced by another player. When no mechanism exists for player production of an item, npc corps sell that item through the ISK market. Likewise the entire nanite-economy backstory that makes the merc existence/contracts possible is not presented at all to players and there are several missed opportunities for immersive and satisfying mechanics that we've given up by cheesing/neglecting the backstory. It's one of those things where a bit of devtime and some attention to lore/detail can add a lot to the player experience, increase immersion and provide interesting and engaging game mechanics. Furthermore, once the investment is made it's basically a no-maintenance addition to the game that utilizes virtually no resources from a very tight budget. PSN: RationalSpark
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2215	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:48:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Well for pubs and FW, the NPC corp that hires you. Doesn't matter if you're in a player corp or not, when you do a pub or FW you're working for an NPC corp. This is New Eden, I mean if you don't have a quafeski in your hand you might as well be wearing a dress. Rated [TV-MA]
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1431	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:41:00 - [10] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Well for pubs and FW, the NPC corp that hires you. Doesn't matter if you're in a player corp or not, when you do a pub or FW you're working for an NPC corp. I dont think they are quite understanding, as someone said it before you. When que for a pub match, you will see on the battle finder that their are 2 npc corps fighting each other (attacker and defender.) These two npc corps supply the 50, 80, and 150 clones packs respectively. When you enter a PC match, the two corps (attacker and defender) have to supply the clones. The clones are always paid for before the match starts, regardless of PC or pub. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2525	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:43:00 - [11] - Quote Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Only a portion of your end of match payouts are in isk, a decent chunk is in biomass which is stored and processed in your warbarge (that thing that you use to move around space from battlefield to battlefield). Remember that the gameplay is an abstraction: Eve players do not kill hundreds of thousands of pirate ships every day in their missions for example. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7013	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:14:00 - [12] - Quote You guys brought up some rather interesting theories. The one I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is the NPC corps buying the clones for us. It makes sense that the contracts allow us to use a limited amount of clones per battle, but would that limit is to a certain amount of clones per mercenary (150/16, etc) or is it a group contact made by the whole team? If so, why do matches allow mercenaries to pop in at random intervals if needed, without the update of said contracts? What am I agreeing to, anyways? Where am I able to read said contracts? Damn you, politics! Also, if clone costs come along with the suits, why are the BPOs made for free? Does it provide the clone for free as well? I doubt we'd be able to manufacture clones at our leisure, but I could be wrong.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1432	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:31:00 - [13] - Quote Joel II X wrote: You guys brought up some rather interesting theories. The one I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is the NPC corps buying the clones for us. It makes sense that the contracts allow us to use a limited amount of clones per battle, but would that limit is to a certain amount of clones per mercenary (150/16, etc) or is it a group contact made by the whole team? If so, why do matches allow mercenaries to pop in at random intervals if needed, without the update of said contracts? What am I agreeing to, anyways? Where am I able to read said contracts? Damn you, politics! Also, if clone costs come along with the suits, why are the BPOs made for free? Does it provide the clone for free as well? I doubt we'd be able to manufacture clones at our leisure, but I could be wrong. It is a group contract. When the match starts the 32 mercs assigned to it are under contract. Thats why if you dont spawn in you will hear Terra say "you are contractually obligated to participate in battle" or whatever it is. This is where the immersion falls apart. If we really are under contract, why isn't there a fee to leave battle (early release dues or whatever?) Clones do not come with the suits. We are free to change between suits while still in the same clone, just as eve pilots do with ships. In eve though, they have a "pod" which forever houses the clone. I would assume we dont need pods as we never leave the station unless prepared for battle. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 2637	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:13:00 - [14] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Only a portion of your end of match payouts are in isk, a decent chunk is in biomass which is stored and processed in your warbarge (that thing that you use to move around space from battlefield to battlefield). I'm pretty sure we just get our consciousness transferred into a clone that's close to the battlefield. It would massively inefficient to move one clone halfway across the Universe. Under lore, the clone would probably decompose too, which is why you lose a portion of the clones you move from District to District in PC: they decompose. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 I'm a monster
The Modern Creature Incorruptibles 17	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:28:00 - [15] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Joel II X wrote: Sure, we buy the suits and whatever else we slap on it, but what about the actual flesh mesh inside? Why are they just thrown to us like nothing? Who's paying for it? Are we just using Standard Combat Clone BPOs, or something? What if we could actually purchase different types of clones such as Combat Clones, Athletic Clones, Cheap-o Clones, etc? Or, what if we were given a few freebie clones when we start out, and have to buy a clone Bay or something similar to keep supplying ourselves with fresh meat? ... It's a good question. Clones do cost ISK. So does the ammo we spawn with. CCP missed the boat completely on this and it's immersion-breaking and nonsensical. If we keep in mind the end-goal for production in New Eden, ultimately everything that gets consumed on the battlefield should be produced by another player. When no mechanism exists for player production of an item, npc corps sell that item through the ISK market. Likewise the entire nanite-economy backstory that makes the merc existence/contracts possible is not presented at all to players and there are several missed opportunities for immersive and satisfying mechanics that we've given up by cheesing/neglecting the backstory. It's one of those things where a bit of devtime and some attention to lore/detail can add a lot to the player experience, increase immersion and provide interesting and engaging game mechanics. Furthermore, once the investment is made it's basically a no-maintenance addition to the game that utilizes virtually no resources from a very tight budget. Rattati doesn't give two *** about immersion in this game. He doesn't care about lore and has never played EVE. We won't get ** lore wise unless EVE starts telling him what to do. Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18118	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:41:00 - [16] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Only a portion of your end of match payouts are in isk, a decent chunk is in biomass which is stored and processed in your warbarge (that thing that you use to move around space from battlefield to battlefield). I'm pretty sure we just get our consciousness transferred into a clone that's close to the battlefield. It would massively inefficient to move one clone halfway across the Universe. Under lore, the clone would probably decompose too, which is why you lose a portion of the clones you move from District to District in PC: they decompose. Nope. There are not hard clone stocks. We are constructed of Nanite's on the battlefield via a flash cloning process. After the body is formed the Nanites immediately start the composition of our electronic manufacturing licences (our equipment and drop suits) around our bodies. The process usually takes about 15 seconds which can explain some of the higher wait times on respawn. After death I'm pretty sure the Nanites either destroy themselves or are rendered inactive and harvested later. I like to think it is the latter and that after a particularly hard battle the entire battlefield is covered in a thick layer of decomposing Nanites [Dust]. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4351	Posted - 2015.04.10 10:34:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? I guess that the biomass you use in your merc quarter is payed from the last contract that you accept or it's the same because there is method to transport your consciousness in battle that do not require to lose your body, something like matrix for example. The biomass you use while in pub is bought by the NPC corp which hires you. Always blame solar storms if something doesn't work as expected
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2531	Posted - 2015.04.10 10:37:00 - [18] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Only a portion of your end of match payouts are in isk, a decent chunk is in biomass which is stored and processed in your warbarge (that thing that you use to move around space from battlefield to battlefield). I'm pretty sure we just get our consciousness transferred into a clone that's close to the battlefield. It would massively inefficient to move one clone halfway across the Universe. Under lore, the clone would probably decompose too, which is why you lose a portion of the clones you move from District to District in PC: they decompose. But you're not moving just one clone? You're moving your stock of biomass, your weapons, your vehicles and your mobile oppression palace. Also once again: GAMEPLAY. IS. AN. ABSTRACTION. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 220	Posted - 2015.04.10 11:11:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Only a portion of your end of match payouts are in isk, a decent chunk is in biomass which is stored and processed in your warbarge (that thing that you use to move around space from battlefield to battlefield). I'm pretty sure we just get our consciousness transferred into a clone that's close to the battlefield. It would massively inefficient to move one clone halfway across the Universe. Under lore, the clone would probably decompose too, which is why you lose a portion of the clones you move from District to District in PC: they decompose. Nope. There are not hard clone stocks. We are constructed of Nanite's on the battlefield via a flash cloning process. After the body is formed the Nanites immediately start the composition of our electronic manufacturing licences (our equipment and drop suits) around our bodies. The process usually takes about 15 seconds which can explain some of the higher wait times on respawn. After death I'm pretty sure the Nanites either destroy themselves or are rendered inactive and harvested later. I like to think it is the latter and that after a particularly hard battle the entire battlefield is covered in a thick layer of decomposing Nanites [Dust]. I think there are hard clone stocks. They are just generic clones that you drop into. That's why there are packs of clones to buy, not packs of biomass. Also I think the gear is beamed down to depo's much like droplinks. Then it's wrapped around you ala ironman. Then they drop you outside the clone reanimation unit in a random, unchosen spot in a random direction because lol
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1589	Posted - 2015.04.10 11:35:00 - [20] - Quote Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? LOL, you missed the point entirely. He didn't mean the NPC corp u default into, he meant the NPC corps at the top of each team when ingame, showing who has hired the team (in each pub match). In FW, it's Federal Marines, Republic Command, etc. In pubs, it's Tash Murkon, Duvolle Labs etc. They give you the contract and they supply the clones. It's only ever down to player owned corps when it's PC. Rare Item Trades

M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2015.04.10 13:10:00 - [21] - Quote I always figured it was factored in with the price of our gear
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 293	Posted - 2015.04.10 13:15:00 - [22] - Quote If it's immersive, give us ammo types like in Eve... I'd run around with a infrared crystal in my laser rifle, getting those guys who are always just outside 105m :( And! It can add some diversity to gameplay... Say you have room for 3 crystals, I'll bring a gamma crystal, an infrared crystal, and a radio wave crystal . I'm going close range? Switch to my gamma crystal and support my team. That guy is really far and my team needs the support? Switch to that radiowave and beam it up. Normal range for me? Thanks infrared. its original, no other shooter did that right? The ADS tourney! Join today!
ROTFL Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2015.04.10 15:17:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? Your warbarge is a baby maker! Each has 100 beautiful women that pop out your youngins everyday. OR your a test tube baby... You pick! This is hardly the time to talk about the birds and the bee's. Knowing is half the battle! The other half involves guns! GI JOE!
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7019	Posted - 2015.04.10 15:18:00 - [24] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? LOL, you missed the point entirely. He didn't mean the NPC corp u default into, he meant the NPC corps at the top of each team when ingame, showing who has hired the team (in each pub match). In FW, it's Federal Marines, Republic Command, etc. In pubs, it's Tash Murkon, Duvolle Labs etc. They give you the contract and they supply the clones. It's only ever down to player owned corps when it's PC. I got that after a while, but that would still require at least SOME further explanations.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7019	Posted - 2015.04.10 15:19:00 - [25] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: If it's immersive, give us ammo types like in Eve... I'd run around with a infrared crystal in my laser rifle, getting those guys who are always just outside 105m :( And! It can add some diversity to gameplay... Say you have room for 3 crystals, I'll bring a gamma crystal, an infrared crystal, and a radio wave crystal . I'm going close range? Switch to my gamma crystal and support my team. That guy is really far and my team needs the support? Switch to that radiowave and beam it up. Normal range for me? Thanks infrared. its original, no other shooter did that right? Everyone, like this post. Now.
Anaksha Venom Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.10 16:52:00 - [26] - Quote Bought by NPC corps the names u see in pub matches each clone costs about 333k isk if you go by the clone PACs.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 588	Posted - 2015.04.10 16:57:00 - [27] - Quote Joel II X wrote: shaman oga wrote: NPC corps which hires you. That's the thing. I thought about that, but what about a custom corporation? Say, mine's for instance. I don't really do PC, nor do I ever purchase clone packs. Where do I get my own clones? If you aren't doing PC then you are taking contracts from NPC corps. It's the corp granting the contract, not your own player corp. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.


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