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bear90211 Nyain San 226	Posted - 2015.03.25 02:24:00 - [1] - Quote Not to bash CCP for this, but they are making LEGION for PC simply because 'it's easier to code' and because they don't have to wait to install updates, like EVE. at that point, CCP can finally combine the EVE and DUST teams into one, all three CCP teams then just work on PS4 and PC (I think Valkyrie is PS4 don't quote me though) making the entire EVE universe into a single workable game, effectively making a huge upcoming, they hit quite a few game circles, EVE, the ten years 'Yeah I am a vet with a billion SP' people, a infinitely playable game, an FPS, and valkyrie.. still cant remember what this is going to be on. it looks like a possible cash gain and a lasting image, this is what I think it will be. "CCP, masters of crafting PC games, the noobs of console games, we give thee our finest PC games, please accept them with open arms, and please forget our ruined console career") well it is different, personally I think that DUST needs to have major core fixes, a stable 30-50 FPS, (An end to the red line and the removal of red line sockets) better interface and SP systems, major re balancing, more variation from non-blood things (Like EVE ORE ships and special things.) the removal of AURUM items, a better market system, and much better comunications. the list goes on and on, but you can get what I mean. The public should help CCP out, give them figures, do you want to have legion happen or dust to live on PS4with huge improvements and an active fixes team or not? DUST has potential, but CCP is killing DUST by calling it LEGION, Hey CCP, Please Don't. (Say no to Legion! Let Dust live!) My sig is suuper old.. now i rip faces with my HMG. looking for logies yo.btw #tacos
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 8729	Posted - 2015.03.25 02:33:00 - [2] - Quote Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. He also said a PS4 port isn't on their roadmap. He sounds pretty dead set against consoles, and I don't blame him. 4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1245	Posted - 2015.03.25 02:37:00 - [3] - Quote EvE valk morpheus ps4 If we could spam enough threads we could get them to work on getting dust to ps4 if we do so.... Dust could be ground forces and legion space marinnes boarding stations taking them over ect. I know you wan't it *( -í° -£-û -í°)*
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5493	Posted - 2015.03.25 03:14:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. If what I've been told is true, he doesn't. Just a company line handed down to him and nothing more. But honestly, the game shouldn't be going anywhere near PC. It shouldn't have ever even been announced on PC -- They made a console game and invested in a console community. To turn their backs on that community is a really scummy move. To announce for PC and then not deliver is an also scummy move. But ultimately, there is no established PC community for Legion. They can just as easily take it or leave it. The console community are the ones who would truly be getting screwed over, and they are the ones who deserve this game. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. 455	Posted - 2015.03.25 03:22:00 - [5] - Quote Golden Day wrote: EvE valk morpheus ps4 If we could spam enough threads we could get them to work on getting dust to ps4 if we do so.... Dust could be ground forces and legion space marinnes boarding stations taking them over ect. Dust and Legion cannot coexist. Can't and shouldn't split player bases. Twitch & YouTube
DUST Fiend 16178	Posted - 2015.03.25 04:44:00 - [6] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. If what I've been told is true, he doesn't. Just a company line handed down to him and nothing more. But honestly, the game shouldn't be going anywhere near PC. It shouldn't have ever even been announced on PC -- They made a console game and invested in a console community. To turn their backs on that community is a really scummy move. To announce for PC and then not deliver is an also scummy move. But ultimately, there is no established PC community for Legion. They can just as easily take it or leave it. The console community are the ones who would truly be getting screwed over, and they are the ones who deserve this game. Scummy sure, but our community is pretty small regardless. If they had to give us the axe, it would ultimately be fine because there is also a thriving market on PC. Not saying it shouldn't be on PS4, but the lack of scale in our community makes us prone to execution for monetary gains. Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4890	Posted - 2015.03.25 04:49:00 - [7] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. If what I've been told is true, he doesn't. Just a company line handed down to him and nothing more. But honestly, the game shouldn't be going anywhere near PC. It shouldn't have ever even been announced on PC -- They made a console game and invested in a console community. To turn their backs on that community is a really scummy move. To announce for PC and then not deliver is an also scummy move. But ultimately, there is no established PC community for Legion. They can just as easily take it or leave it. The console community are the ones who would truly be getting screwed over, and they are the ones who deserve this game. I think ensuring CCP treats the community that has allowed Dust to survive with respect is essential. Throwing them out in the cold by doing a PC-only port would be a trashy move I agree. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1502	Posted - 2015.03.25 04:50:00 - [8] - Quote My guess is they dislike how things happen with sony, so no ps4 because Devs haven't some control. Best to have it all then some, to me its a smart decision. There won't be a heart left beating... Is that fear I smell?
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 57	Posted - 2015.03.25 04:51:00 - [9] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. He also said a PS4 port isn't on their roadmap. He sounds pretty dead set against consoles, and I don't blame him. Name a game being completely developed purely for PC. Every game out there is developed with thoughts of porting to console or launching on console. There are more big titles and high rated games that don't come to PC but are on console. PC has better potential for gaming? There was a time when Game developers built games for next years PC hardware capabilities.. Not even being able to run the "Ultra" setting until next year and thousands of dollars of investment later... When game development was being pushed the hardest. That is gone.. Games are built with a possible console port.... Even Elite:Dangerous as it will be coming to the Xbox one. We would be blind fools to think that CCP Shanghai is currently developing DUST without any thoughts or work and making the assets transferable and workable on other platforms.
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 118	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:09:00 - [10] - Quote bear90211 wrote: Not to bash CCP for this, but they are making LEGION for PC simply because 'it's easier to code' and because they don't have to wait to install updates, like EVE. at that point, CCP can finally combine the EVE and DUST teams into one, all three CCP teams then just work on PS4 and PC (I think Valkyrie is PS4 don't quote me though) making the entire EVE universe into a single workable game, effectively making a huge upcoming, they hit quite a few game circles, EVE, the ten years 'Yeah I am a vet with a billion SP' people, a infinitely playable game, an FPS, and valkyrie.. still cant remember what this is going to be on. it looks like a possible cash gain and a lasting image, this is what I think it will be. "CCP, masters of crafting PC games, the noobs of console games, we give thee our finest PC games, please accept them with open arms, and please forget our ruined console career") well it is different, personally I think that DUST needs to have major core fixes, a stable 30-50 FPS, (An end to the red line and the removal of red line sockets) better interface and SP systems, major re balancing, more variation from non-blood things (Like EVE ORE ships and special things.) the removal of AURUM items, a better market system, and much better comunications. the list goes on and on, but you can get what I mean. The public should help CCP out, give them figures, do you want to have legion happen or dust to live on PS4with huge improvements and an active fixes team or not? DUST has potential, but CCP is killing DUST by calling it LEGION, Hey CCP, Please Don't. (Say no to Legion! Let Dust live!) Any development for PC is also development for PS4 as the PS4 architecture makes it incredibly simple to port from PC to PS4. Valkyrie development is for PC with a PS4 port for this reason. Combining the teams makes literally no sense, each team is made up of developers specialising in the tools and techniques used to create each of these genre specific games. Each of the games can have interconnectivity but they cannot be combined into a single framework or engine, their too diverse for that to happen. from a technical standpoint its also impossible. Jesus have you heard of the return key?? your wall of text is absolutely horrible to read. learn punctuation. +21 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?

Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 118	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:13:00 - [11] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Name a game being completely developed purely for PC. Every game out there is developed with thoughts of porting to console or launching on console. There are more big titles and high rated games that don't come to PC but are on console. PC has better potential for gaming? There was a time when Game developers built games for next years PC hardware capabilities.. Not even being able to run the "Ultra" setting until next year and thousands of dollars of investment later... When game development was being pushed the hardest. That is gone.. Games are built with a possible console port.... Even Elite:Dangerous as it will be coming to the Xbox one. We would be blind fools to think that CCP Shanghai is currently developing DUST without any thoughts or work and making the assets transferable and workable on other platforms. Name a game completely developed for PC?? how about 75 - 80% of games ever developed. The PC has more exclusives then all current gen and previous gen consoles combined. Console ports from PC games are done purely to open the game up to a wider market. you clearly have no background or concept of how the gaming industry works my friend. don't spew bias misinformation on the internet please. +21 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 118	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:17:00 - [12] - Quote Golden Day wrote: EvE valk morpheus ps4 If we could spam enough threads we could get them to work on getting dust to ps4 if we do so.... Dust could be ground forces and legion space marinnes boarding stations taking them over ect. Why would they limit legion's gameplay just because dust exists, legion has the potential to have all of the features of dust AND all of the features that should have been included in dust but were limited by the consoles networking capacity +21 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 630	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:17:00 - [13] - Quote CPP wants to expand their market. Keeping on ps3 or moving it to ps4 wouldn't expand much. Not everyone has a ps4 but most people have a computer. I myself don't have a ps4.
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 118	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:19:00 - [14] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. If what I've been told is true, he doesn't. Just a company line handed down to him and nothing more. But honestly, the game shouldn't be going anywhere near PC. It shouldn't have ever even been announced on PC -- They made a console game and invested in a console community. To turn their backs on that community is a really scummy move. To announce for PC and then not deliver is an also scummy move. But ultimately, there is no established PC community for Legion. They can just as easily take it or leave it. The console community are the ones who would truly be getting screwed over, and they are the ones who deserve this game. Its not a scummy move their just not capable to puting the features they promest for dust onto the console BECAUSE the console can't handle it. The mistake was putting this game on console in the first place. sticking with a mistake is still a mistake in my book. +21 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18999	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:22:00 - [15] - Quote And we still don't know what kind of game legion is going to be? CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2807	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:30:00 - [16] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: My guess is they dislike how things happen with sony, so no ps4 because Devs haven't some control. Best to have it all then some, to me its a smart decision. Then why are they making Valkyrie on PS4? This is quite clearly not an issue. It is well known that CCP have a special deal with Sony that streamlines the Q&A process for updates... How do you think that Dust gets updated so much compared to pretty much every other console game ever? Soni don't buy this argument at all. Being on PS4 wouldn't cut back on updates or hinder development in any significant way. Home at Last <3
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2807	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:33:00 - [17] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: CPP wants to expand their market. Keeping on ps3 or moving it to ps4 wouldn't expand much. Not everyone has a ps4 but most people have a computer. I myself don't have a ps4. That is bullshit, and you should know it. Not every PC is used for gaming. Every PS4 is. There are many more PS4s used for gaming than there are PCs used for gaming. For gaming, consoles are the bigger market. Home at Last <3
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 147	Posted - 2015.03.25 08:34:00 - [18] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. He also said a PS4 port isn't on their roadmap. He sounds pretty dead set against consoles, and I don't blame him. Name a game being completely developed purely for PC. Every game out there is developed with thoughts of porting to console or launching on console. There are more big titles and high rated games that don't come to PC but are on console. PC has better potential for gaming? There was a time when Game developers built games for next years PC hardware capabilities.. Not even being able to run the "Ultra" setting until next year and thousands of dollars of investment later... When game development was being pushed the hardest. That is gone.. Games are built with a possible console port.... Even Elite:Dangerous as it will be coming to the Xbox one. We would be blind fools to think that CCP Shanghai is currently developing DUST without any thoughts or work and making the assets transferable and workable on other platforms. I am more than 100% sure there are a lot of games that are exclusively for the PC I would know,I own some of those games There are a few weapons I have yet to master; mass driver, nova knives,ion pistol,flay lock pistol and the magsec
Jack Boost Zarena Family 709	Posted - 2015.03.25 09:40:00 - [19] - Quote Only money speaks... CCP make exlusive (YES EXCLUSIVE) Dust for PS3. Why? To try expand. And Sony give good platform for this with profiled players. (as you know for this title - only mraketing wows) From this perspective PS3 succes... not good. 2000-4000 players from potential 80 000 000. CCP can get easly this amout of players at PC side... just now. Without bother, in more integrated enviroment. There is a lot PC players that must bought console for IDEA of Dust. And you just forget about this. But you know... some of you console players like Dust and you get Eve virus. Time to answer onself - I DEDICATED (console) GAMER, CAN I 'BETRAY" PLATFORM for game that i'm addicted? Rattati speaks betwen words: Great 'IDEA' of Dust cloud development process. We need simplify needs of players to simplify development of updates... and make succes... and make money from it. I hear this before in terms of how Dust can be complex... I only predict that we (yes 'we) migrate more to COD version of DUST (already happen?), and great IDEA will fall little behind horizon. For title and keeping alive (remember 'exclusive' means someting for both sides CCP/Sony) this happen. To the death of platform. For IDEA I have hope only in Legion. I don't care on what platform. And you sould too. PS4 is still bother as two companies talking and working together with different looks and targets. Same 'Valkyrie'. Sony need it badly for morpheus... and contacts with CCP is already done. They help each other for succes in VR. I predict that Valkyrie end like 30 misions to make in VR enviroment dogfight... Great visuals and fun... but IDEA of integrated battle field - Eve + DUST + Valkyria... shift more to the horizon... Time and money will speaks, but aperently 'time' is less vaulable ... Don't worry too much :) Have fun in game and readings my toughts ;) Not much time left...
Kincate Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:30:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And we still don't know what kind of game legion is going to be? Would it be anything other than an FPS? Im just curious about what your thinking Legion could potentially be? 1st Legionhare

Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2715	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:17:00 - [21] - Quote Make the game more noob friendly. Apex Starter fit. Right out the gate you will be able to slay. Higher TTK=COD Players come running. It's scummy but if that's what sells who cares just put your sensitivity on 100. Dropsuit Teiricide. Same slots at all levels, just different CPU/PG Requirements. Think Apex. Enhance Social Aspects. Meaning Bigger Squad Sizes. Add isk to FW. Bring back corp battles. If you got beef with a corp, why wait a day? Fine tune Game Modes: Redline problems, etc. It's a lot to do, but not so much in the bigger scheme of things. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 337	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:39:00 - [22] - Quote Kincate wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And we still don't know what kind of game legion is going to be? Would it be anything other than an FPS? Im just curious about what your thinking Legion could potentially be? My understanding of it is that LEGION is simply the sequel to DUST. It will presumably expand on the current game in ways that we would all like. In ways that we have clamoured for since first signing up. There's no doubt the theory of LEGION is sound. DUST is already awesome. LEGION has the scope to be something truly special. If making it on PC is the price to pay then so be it, and I say that as a console gamer. My feeling is that we will get it for the PS4 one way or the other. I don't mind that they aren't announcing anything on that front because clearly they haven't even finished the PC version. The rise of DUST in recent times means I am not even thinking about LEGION anymore. I'm thinking about DUST. I'm focused on making it to the top (or somewhere around the middle) while this, my favourite ever PS3 game, is still around. Recent announcements make me think that will be for some time yet. So all things being equal I'm a happy mercenary about now. Keep up the DUST work CCP we appreciate it. Do some more sales on Aurum packages - the vet pack deal must have made you a lot of cash. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6115	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:43:00 - [23] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. He also said a PS4 port isn't on their roadmap. He sounds pretty dead set against consoles, and I don't blame him. I get the impression that has changed a bit. The fact that DUST has become profitable on the PS3 shows that DUST on the console was not the failed experiment they thought it was. I expect that they are exploring both PC and PS4 options, and won't tell us anything until they make a final decision. Expect an announcement at Fanfest 2016... Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 623	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:11:00 - [24] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: [quote=Himiko Kuronaga] Its not a scummy move their just not capable to puting the features they promest for dust onto the console BECAUSE the console can't handle it. The mistake was putting this game on console in the first place. sticking with a mistake is still a mistake in my book. You are very wrong there, the problem wasn't to put the game on console, that move was actually a smart one. The big FU was the non existing proof of concept before the development even started. CCP seems to be quite a chaotic bunch of developers, where people have a less than stellar track reckord of developing concepts into actually functioning game assets. The CCP way of working their way around ideas without actually brainstorming the viability of them is scary. Otherwise they would have never gone for the carbon engine in the first place in early DUST development. There should have been a professional proof that it's even convertible to the ps3... this obiously never happened. For all the people who think that Dust integration in EVE would be any good, check out the pathetic captains quarters, walk on station crap they gave the capsuleers, if that's any sign of their capabilitys in the pc sector, I woudn't get my hopes up! Another thing is the fundamental flaw of having everything in a single shard universe they are so proud of. Right, you can interact with everybody on a single server. But that only works for a klickedeeklick game like eve (time delation) but not for a real time fps. And that's the reason, that Valk will have no connection to EVE but the art assets. And that's a good thing. They need to find a way, to have an EVE connection, without any lag translating from EVE to Dust, otherwise a more meaningful EVE Dust connection is not going to work without even more lag! And they should start with the chat system, which they seem to be working on...
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5494	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:43:00 - [25] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: CPP wants to expand their market. Keeping on ps3 or moving it to ps4 wouldn't expand much. Not everyone has a ps4 but most people have a computer. I myself don't have a ps4. If we replace computer with modern gaming computer, your argument is one that becomes based on faith, not on facts. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 711	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:53:00 - [26] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: CPP wants to expand their market. Keeping on ps3 or moving it to ps4 wouldn't expand much. Not everyone has a ps4 but most people have a computer. I myself don't have a ps4. If we replace computer with modern gaming computer, your argument is one that becomes based on faith, not on facts. It doesn't take much of a computer to beat the PS3. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4894	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:03:00 - [27] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: Its not a scummy move their just not capable to puting the features they promest for dust onto the console BECAUSE the console can't handle it. The mistake was putting this game on console in the first place. sticking with a mistake is still a mistake in my book. The console being a major limited was a fairy tale put forth by CCP to mask the numerous troubles and failures they've run into internally. Dust was always destined to outgrow the PS3, but it wasn't destined to be removed from consoles entirely until the fail that was the push for Legion, which has all but collapsed at this point. Rather than stopping the momentum we have get this stuff on PS4 and keep that momentum going. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
bolsh lee Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1555	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:05:00 - [28] - Quote It's pretty comical that people are still trying to speculate the future of Dust especially considering we know very little... Let's put on the table what we do know.. 1- CCP has a skeleton crew working on Dust.. Seemingly unable to provide any meaningful content outside of mechanics and unpolished maps 2- Dust has finally turned a profit. Is it really a sustainable profit when the majority of your customers are unhappy with the product? 3- Even though Dust has been running on a skeleton crew CCP delegated a team to work on a mobile game.. You would think if Legion or a ps4 port was in the works this team would be working on either one.. *feel free to add more If they haven't started on Dust ps4 or Legion PC then why would anyone think they're able to now? Dust could be in the black, that doesn't mean CCP is ready to heir back those who quit or got the axe after last year's Legion announcement. If anything people should be speculating on what new cash shop items are going to be released the coming year or how much longer the current player base will put up with this model.. Those empty space a under our 2D warbarge look mighty tasty to keep that profit up!
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 491	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:26:00 - [29] - Quote bear90211 wrote: Not to bash CCP for this, but they are making LEGION for PC simply because 'it's easier to code' and because they don't have to wait to install updates, like EVE. at that point, CCP can finally combine the EVE and DUST teams into one, all three CCP teams then just work on PS4 and PC (I think Valkyrie is PS4 don't quote me though) making the entire EVE universe into a single workable game, effectively making a huge upcoming, they hit quite a few game circles, EVE, the ten years 'Yeah I am a vet with a billion SP' people, a infinitely playable game, an FPS, and valkyrie.. still cant remember what this is going to be on. it looks like a possible cash gain and a lasting image, this is what I think it will be. "CCP, masters of crafting PC games, the noobs of console games, we give thee our finest PC games, please accept them with open arms, and please forget our ruined console career") well it is different, personally I think that DUST needs to have major core fixes, a stable 30-50 FPS, (An end to the red line and the removal of red line sockets) better interface and SP systems, major re balancing, more variation from non-blood things (Like EVE ORE ships and special things.) the removal of AURUM items, a better market system, and much better comunications. the list goes on and on, but you can get what I mean. The public should help CCP out, give them figures, do you want to have legion happen or dust to live on PS4with huge improvements and an active fixes team or not? DUST has potential, but CCP is killing DUST by calling it LEGION, Hey CCP, Please Don't. (Say no to Legion! Let Dust live!) Dust was ment to be played on a PC, why they put it on the ps3 is anyones guess. Dont put dust on ps4 they will just keep failing. Put the stupid trash game on a pc so people who play eve can play it. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
logan turnbull Glitched Connection 15	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:34:00 - [30] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: CPP wants to expand their market. Keeping on ps3 or moving it to ps4 wouldn't expand much. Not everyone has a ps4 but most people have a computer. I myself don't have a ps4. That is bullshit, and you should know it. Not every PC is used for gaming. Every PS4 is. There are many more PS4s used for gaming than there are PCs used for gaming. For gaming, consoles are the bigger market. Here's to the PS4 where Dust514 belongs lets roll

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 712	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:47:00 - [31] - Quote Union118 wrote: bear90211 wrote: Not to bash CCP for this, but they are making LEGION for PC simply because 'it's easier to code' and because they don't have to wait to install updates, like EVE. at that point, CCP can finally combine the EVE and DUST teams into one, all three CCP teams then just work on PS4 and PC (I think Valkyrie is PS4 don't quote me though) making the entire EVE universe into a single workable game, effectively making a huge upcoming, they hit quite a few game circles, EVE, the ten years 'Yeah I am a vet with a billion SP' people, a infinitely playable game, an FPS, and valkyrie.. still cant remember what this is going to be on. it looks like a possible cash gain and a lasting image, this is what I think it will be. "CCP, masters of crafting PC games, the noobs of console games, we give thee our finest PC games, please accept them with open arms, and please forget our ruined console career") well it is different, personally I think that DUST needs to have major core fixes, a stable 30-50 FPS, (An end to the red line and the removal of red line sockets) better interface and SP systems, major re balancing, more variation from non-blood things (Like EVE ORE ships and special things.) the removal of AURUM items, a better market system, and much better comunications. the list goes on and on, but you can get what I mean. The public should help CCP out, give them figures, do you want to have legion happen or dust to live on PS4with huge improvements and an active fixes team or not? DUST has potential, but CCP is killing DUST by calling it LEGION, Hey CCP, Please Don't. (Say no to Legion! Let Dust live!) Dust was ment to be played on a PC, why they put it on the ps3 is anyones guess. Dont put dust on ps4 they will just keep failing. Put the stupid trash game on a pc so people who play eve can play it. It's not a guess exactly. A free-to-play mmo on a console where there's millions of installed units was going to automagically provide millions of concurrent users who care about a single game more than a few weeks. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Everything Dies Not Another Dust Corporation 1290	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:52:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And we still don't know what kind of game legion is going to be? Fingers are crossed for a hentai dating sim. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19003	Posted - 2015.03.25 23:37:00 - [33] - Quote Kincate wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And we still don't know what kind of game legion is going to be? Would it be anything other than an FPS? Im just curious about what your thinking Legion could potentially be? Dunno can it? I mean projects have one goal which is that of discovery and they don't ever look the same even after that long of a silence I mean if you look at blizzards project titan it went through 5 reboots, and 1 scrapping's leftovers made the overwatch game. And now Blizzard has RESTARTED project Titan again. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19003	Posted - 2015.03.25 23:38:00 - [34] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And we still don't know what kind of game legion is going to be? Fingers are crossed for a hentai dating sim. This guess is as accurate as any other; oh gawd imagine if the japanese community comitted to that idea. How unusal would it be for an immortal soldier to have a romance life of any sort. Be the main hero. Have one fan girl that is so amarr damned annoying you shoot her every chance you get. Come to find out her feelings for you at the end of the game are genuine and the others are just hallow shells of persons. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 169	Posted - 2015.03.25 23:47:00 - [35] - Quote Why would CCP make Legion on PC: 1.Limitless game upgrades(because of powerful PC hardware) 2.no Sony 3.Bigger community 4.Easier to play(keyboard and mouse) Why CCP should not make Legion on PC: 1.Cheaters 2.Cheaters 3.Cheaters 4.and more cheaters Public skirmish = camping games
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1472	Posted - 2015.03.25 23:51:00 - [36] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Why CCP should not make Legion on PC: 1.Cheaters 2.Cheaters 3.Cheaters 4.and more cheaters 1. Banned. 2. Banned. 3. Banned. 4. Banned. Please support fair play!
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 169	Posted - 2015.03.26 00:04:00 - [37] - Quote Before they get spotted,they will do some serious damage.And after they get banned,they will make another account and keep cheating. I would like to see those CoD noobs to try quick scope with our sniper rifles.Imagine that agony when they realize this is not mindless **** game... Public skirmish = camping games
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1472	Posted - 2015.03.26 00:19:00 - [38] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Before they get spotted,they will do some serious damage.And after they get banned,they will make another account and keep cheating. That is why I hope that the Legion will use a subscription model ;) Please support fair play!
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2015.03.26 00:31:00 - [39] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: JJ'S wrote: Name a game being completely developed purely for PC. Every game out there is developed with thoughts of porting to console or launching on console. There are more big titles and high rated games that don't come to PC but are on console. PC has better potential for gaming? There was a time when Game developers built games for next years PC hardware capabilities.. Not even being able to run the "Ultra" setting until next year and thousands of dollars of investment later... When game development was being pushed the hardest. That is gone.. Games are built with a possible console port.... Even Elite:Dangerous as it will be coming to the Xbox one. We would be blind fools to think that CCP Shanghai is currently developing DUST without any thoughts or work and making the assets transferable and workable on other platforms. Name a game completely developed for PC?? how about 75 - 80% of games ever developed. The PC has more exclusives then all current gen and previous gen consoles combined. Console ports from PC games are done purely to open the game up to a wider market. you clearly have no background or concept of how the gaming industry works my friend. don't spew bias misinformation on the internet please. Your stuck in the past... ABout 10 years in the past. When games where actually developed purely for the PC... Best games for 2014 listed by PC world, PC gamer, Gamespot... All the same crap really. 1 Far Cry. 2 Alien Isolation, 3. Dragon Age: Inquisition. 4. Wolfenstein, New Order. 5. Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor. 6: Assasins Creed. 7. Elite:Dangerous. 8: Diablo I can go on and on.. PC has maybe 5 Unique titles in all of 2014 that make honorable mentions. And the biggest is Hearthstone. Which isn't far off from being a tablet game more then a PC game Developed to the limits of PC hardware. Now we can get to the Forbes list of top selling games of 2014... And Console sales double and triple PC sales as a fact of the market... Developers and publishers build games with the idea of console as their priority market and the most money making market. I Have been PC gaming since i had a green text MS DOS computer in the 80's. Games aren't built to the pinnacle of PC hardware... For well over a decade.. And most of the PC games that are only on PC are largely indie games, where developed 10 years ago, or in most cases can be ran on a Smartphone. Forbes top selling games of 2014http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/01/19/the-top-ten-best-selling-video-games-of-2014/ Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare Madden NFL 15 Destiny Grand Theft Auto 5 Minecraft Super Smash Bros (for 3DS and Wii U) NBA 2K15 Watch Dogs FIFA 15 Call of Duty Ghosts For US market only (Obviously otherwise Fifa would be #1) These sales are made in majority on console.. Some of the games are only available on Console for 2014. Where is a PC title only ? Oh yah their market is tiny and they sell less, So the money is largely in making games that work on console. CCP is going through this exact same learning curve with how the gaming Industry has changed.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1472	Posted - 2015.03.26 00:41:00 - [40] - Quote Money should not be confused with art. Please support fair play!

LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 363	Posted - 2015.03.26 01:56:00 - [41] - Quote bear90211 wrote: Not to bash CCP for this, but they are making LEGION for PC simply because 'it's easier to code' and because they don't have to wait to install updates, like EVE. at that point, CCP can finally combine the EVE and DUST teams into one, all three CCP teams then just work on PS4 and PC (I think Valkyrie is PS4 don't quote me though) making the entire EVE universe into a single workable game, effectively making a huge upcoming, they hit quite a few game circles, EVE, the ten years 'Yeah I am a vet with a billion SP' people, a infinitely playable game, an FPS, and valkyrie.. still cant remember what this is going to be on. it looks like a possible cash gain and a lasting image, this is what I think it will be. "CCP, masters of crafting PC games, the noobs of console games, we give thee our finest PC games, please accept them with open arms, and please forget our ruined console career") well it is different, personally I think that DUST needs to have major core fixes, a stable 30-50 FPS, (An end to the red line and the removal of red line sockets) better interface and SP systems, major re balancing, more variation from non-blood things (Like EVE ORE ships and special things.) the removal of AURUM items, a better market system, and much better comunications. the list goes on and on, but you can get what I mean. The public should help CCP out, give them figures, do you want to have legion happen or dust to live on PS4with huge improvements and an active fixes team or not? DUST has potential, but CCP is killing DUST by calling it LEGION, Hey CCP, Please Don't. (Say no to Legion! Let Dust live!) CCP has a massive following on PC and direct access to 100s of thousands of people (possibly into the low millions) who are currently on Eve and have done the free trial of Eve. A proper release has the ability to almost be an instant success. As far as following Dust to PS4, I do not think I will. With Legion I would likely be one of the first people to download. This is because I have lost faith in CCP being able to develop on console and I have not seen anything else that would intrigue me on PS4.
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 8	Posted - 2015.03.26 07:57:00 - [42] - Quote Just my opinion and observation... Disclaimer: So my opinion might not agree with yours, and I'm not against anyone here. I've notice a lot or some of the people here in the forums are more inclined in having this game "ported" (Dust 514 ver 2 or Project Legion for PS4) on PS4. and same goes to PC aka "Project Legion", and we can hear a lot of debates. So here are the things that are notable in general, that i think they are saying. Advantages For Pro-Console supporters of this game; Should be ported to PS4. to honor the loyalty of the players that supported this game (cough* to those who use real money in supporting this game- I Understand on why so. They are very much comfortable in playing this game on a console, cause of the following reasons -Casual game, they are used to in using PS controllers (memory muscle reflex thing) They have friends (corp mates/squads), that will play this game if ported to PS4, mainly because they just want to play it on the console platform and doesn't bother to invest in setting up a PC. The idea that since they are using the same client console hardware, means that it will be a fair battle for them. The idea of no one is able to cheat on this game , *since no one can use aimbot programs that are found on PC. The idea of PS4 can handle the things that should have been implement on PS3 Dust 514. i.e. PS4 is using x86 architecture Hassle free of not configuring anything upon installation, you can play it. without worrying about software drivers, hardware compatibility, etc.... (etc TLDR) Advantages For Pro-PC supporters of this game; No limitation on what devs can implement, due to the super high availability of super PC specs parts. depends on what is the minimum requirement for playing this game. -I doubt, that they are going to put the requirements on ultra high. just to play this game. remember they are targeting PC and console gamers, not all can afford high end pc. and so you have what we call entry and mid pc's (if you do budget, it can be cheaper versus buying a PS4) -Even though, some might have an advantage in playing this game due to the following below; -Hardware, your's might be an entry or mid level PC and his is a monster PC (4K reso, three monitor setup). Has a better internet connection (network setup, ISP..) In the end, it is still the player who controls the game character. so even though you have an entry level pc vs high end. It doesn't matter if you have the monsters skills of playing FPS. No need to pay monthly/yearly subscription (ie. PSN subscription if ported to PS4's). You are only paying for your ISP (unless CCP implements a subscription model) Bugs/exploits can be fixed immediately, screenshots from the game with error etc can be send to devs. -devs will run out of excuses, that they can't fix the bug. due to what? hardware limitation, O.S. environtment -if an error occurred, error logs can be implement and can be sent to devs. A PC can host a game map (i.e. being like a map server or game server) for private matches (friendly matches, practicing maps for corp battles) ping and latency will be reflected on the hosting PC server. also can configure map settings; -allow vehicles: yes or no -allow friendly fire: yes or no -allow only users that within the region to join the match -allow only mlt/adv gear. -game mode (dom, ambush, free for all, capture the flag, protect the VIP, missions) A Test Server, players can play here and help devs in or before implementing game mechanics, weapons etc. -for balancing stuff in game. Sharing real time video of matches via twitch etc; -can be use for watching corp matches, world tournament matches, pub.... In game socialization, want to hang out with your corp mates, friends or foes. -another mode within the game, kinda like PSN world (not sure of the name of it). can be used for recruiting corp mates (special zone for corp place to hang out). -Visit your friends mother base, customize your mother base (want to have sexy statues of amarr etc -money for CCP) Sure, there might be what you call aimbot. but we have in game security feature for PC for games (kinda like gameguard if running a game that hacks to memory allocation of the game it will be terminated). -also why the hell do you want to cheat on a game for FPS, it's like saying to yourself, you don't have the balls to fight back and you are a loser for not having any skills at all. (TLDR) Notice: I can also post the disadvantages for both sides, but for now i refrain to. Cause we have some or most of the people here in the forums that are hardheaded. And it will just stressful for them to acknowledge the pro's and con's. (might be one of the reason why CCP is not that open) In the end, let's be honest to ourselves and be non bias.... Let's help the community and help CCP. (not being selfish, for own benefit)
Jack Boost Zarena Family 710	Posted - 2015.03.26 09:41:00 - [43] - Quote About money and consoles... Opinion: consoles are 'uber' because more money flows here... yes - becauses any console game at start have x3 price then PC version. But even here - time is changing now... titles that comes originaly (if this is argument ;) at PC (because availabity, money for development kit etc) and make succes are bought back by console developers and after 'milking it' sell back to PC ... at console price :) Yea ... PC soon will have more money Remeber consoles are good for only few genres and seling it in mass ammount... Money comes from this, and if you assist that it is good, I don't have more to tell. 'PC are only idie games' - why? Blockbusters are not avaiable? You must wait for it? - at indie games are most of 'games live' to come... - Time availabity is only 'politics' thing .. when and how much you 'milk cow' We (I ?) want Dust to be more complex, as Eve it is. If CCP decides to leave this path and go to main 'money flow' (remeber CCP is at top ten mmo bussines with 'niche' game ) they dump most of 'addicted players - hard forged' to anybody that can chew anything... No from me. About numbers: farmvile (FB) was same money gain as Battlefield - block buster hit.... You choose what you want to play, if only money tells... Not much time left...
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 8	Posted - 2015.03.26 10:16:00 - [44] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: About money and consoles... Opinion: consoles are 'uber' because more money flows here... yes - becauses any console game at start have x3 price then PC version. But even here - time is changing now... titles that comes originaly (if this is argument ;) at PC (because availabity, money for development kit etc) and make succes are bought back by console developers and after 'milking it' sell back to PC ... at console price :) Yea ... PC soon will have more money Remeber consoles are good for only few genres and seling it in mass ammount... Money comes from this, and if you assist that it is good, I don't have more to tell. 'PC are only idie games' - why? Blockbusters are not avaiable? You must wait for it? - at indie games are most of 'games live' to come... - Time availabity is only 'politics' thing .. when and how much you 'milk cow' We (I ?) want Dust to be more complex, as Eve it is. If CCP decides to leave this path and go to main 'money flow' (remeber CCP is at top ten mmo bussines with 'niche' game ) they dump most of 'addicted players - hard forged' to anybody that can chew anything... No from me. About numbers: farmvile (FB) was same money gain as Battlefield - block buster hit.... You choose what you want to play, if only money tells... I know what you mean, on consoles they sell games. But wait there's more, they are going to release a DLC for a game and after a few months a remastered version. Cough..cough..repeat this process and they are really milking money for console games And here I am, did some research and oh boy . how cheap it is when they release the ported game to PC (especially if they a promo for the month, steam PC games). But wait there's more, you'll have grand price of having a remastered version with DLC included . Speaking of games, it's just me or others might be doing this also. I only moved/buy a console, when they have most of the games that I want. and for PC they have ported games like MGS series (not all been ported i.e. HD Edition), Dragon Ball Xenoverse, RE series, MGS Rising etc. see list > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_Steam_authentication. Also this one of the reason, why I am not yet moving on PS4. The games that I would like to play on consoles are also available on PC . Anyway, this is what I enjoy in forums. having a nice conversion. no debates. Just plain sharing info and thinking of the things that are in advantage for us consumers.
SteelheadPep The Hundred Acre Hood 194	Posted - 2015.03.26 13:39:00 - [45] - Quote I have read that many software companies would rather make a bunch of APP games (candy crush) and get a winner with a small investment. PC and console gamers have high expectations so it is easier to appeal to the phone gamers and get a winner.We are arguing over the crumbs that are going to be left,PC and console player base numbers are fleeting at best, the market is changing fast and people are in denial.The first step is to realize there is a dramatic shift. Dig in fellow gamers we will fight them to the end, it would be advantagous if both groups fought together instead of against each other. I'm going to try and enjoy the golden age of gaming before it goes into the void, curse you candy crush curse you to the abyss.
DiablosMajora 69	Posted - 2015.03.26 14:34:00 - [46] - Quote Said this in another thread, and I'll say it here: PC is the most ideal scenario. It offers unparalleled options for development. Once the edges have been ironed out and development has good momentum, THEN consoles are an option (similar to planetside 2 development). IMO, realistically, by the time DUST is ready to make a platform switch the PS4 may well be at the end of its lifecycle. We've been down that road once before. Prepare your angus
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. 1980	Posted - 2015.03.26 15:38:00 - [47] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. If what I've been told is true, he doesn't. Just a company line handed down to him and nothing more. But honestly, the game shouldn't be going anywhere near PC. It shouldn't have ever even been announced on PC -- They made a console game and invested in a console community. To turn their backs on that community is a really scummy move. To announce for PC and then not deliver is an also scummy move. But ultimately, there is no established PC community for Legion. They can just as easily take it or leave it. The console community are the ones who would truly be getting screwed over, and they are the ones who deserve this game. And that is the reason thousands of us vets left long long ago... "The Boss NC Max" Destroying armour Ninja style, Mattocks=infantry tears, Flak Armor, nuff said.
bear90211 nyain san 229	Posted - 2015.03.27 19:52:00 - [48] - Quote bear90211 wrote: Not to bash CCP for this, but they are making LEGION for PC simply because 'it's easier to code' and because they don't have to wait to install updates, like EVE. at that point, CCP can finally combine the EVE and DUST teams into one, all three CCP teams then just work on PS4 and PC (I think Valkyrie is PS4 don't quote me though) making the entire EVE universe into a single workable game, effectively making a huge upcoming, they hit quite a few game circles, EVE, the ten years 'Yeah I am a vet with a billion SP' people, a infinitely playable game, an FPS, and valkyrie.. still cant remember what this is going to be on. it looks like a possible cash gain and a lasting image, this is what I think it will be. "CCP, masters of crafting PC games, the noobs of console games, we give thee our finest PC games, please accept them with open arms, and please forget our ruined console career") well it is different, personally I think that DUST needs to have major core fixes, a stable 30-50 FPS, (An end to the red line and the removal of red line sockets) better interface and SP systems, major re balancing, more variation from non-blood things (Like EVE ORE ships and special things.) the removal of AURUM items, a better market system, and much better comunications. the list goes on and on, but you can get what I mean. The public should help CCP out, give them figures, do you want to have legion happen or dust to live on PS4with huge improvements and an active fixes team or not? DUST has potential, but CCP is killing DUST by calling it LEGION, Hey CCP, Please Don't. (Say no to Legion! Let Dust live!) READ ON (Just added 2 days after original post) Ok so I read the comments here, many of you say that if DUST went to PC it would be a huge success because CCP has x amount of people playing eve, eve it a point, right click menu, click again game. how many EVE players truly want to play an FPS? ok, take that out of the question now, How many PC's are pure gaming, and how many non pure gaming PC's are remodeled JUST for gaming? well that number is shadowed by the amount of PS4 and PS3 consoles, let alone the Xbox line. DUST making a whole new release on PS4 as a free to play, FPS, MMO (WITH ADVERTISING!) millions of people instantly play it for a few weeks, if not months, and active patches is something people see as 'development' sort of like DEFIANCE, which is a massive success as well. so then will CCP make a huge successful game that THEN can be ported easily to PC because of the coding, and quadruple the player base because of popularity on console? if they do, they make millions easily, and become just as much, or even more so played than COD or DESTINY, please hear this out, dust releasing on PS4 with advertising, and a complete new face after long fix work, can make billions and become something like EVE, able to last years at a steady pace. another note - yes i DID fix this by double spacing, happy now? lol bye ppls. Oh god that double spacing looks awful, but whatever, it was requested. My sig is suuper old.. now i rip faces with my HMG. looking for logies yo.btw #tacos
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 414	Posted - 2015.03.27 20:22:00 - [49] - Quote John Psi wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: Why CCP should not make Legion on PC: 1.Cheaters 2.Cheaters. worst part of pc fps 3.Cheaters 4.and more cheaters 1. Banned. 2. Banned. 3. Banned. 4. Banned. We are talking about the same ccp right ... mortedeamor ....i'm her slave because Amarrians are the best in the sheets #stamina
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5512	Posted - 2015.03.28 01:10:00 - [50] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. If what I've been told is true, he doesn't. Just a company line handed down to him and nothing more. But honestly, the game shouldn't be going anywhere near PC. It shouldn't have ever even been announced on PC -- They made a console game and invested in a console community. To turn their backs on that community is a really scummy move. To announce for PC and then not deliver is an also scummy move. But ultimately, there is no established PC community for Legion. They can just as easily take it or leave it. The console community are the ones who would truly be getting screwed over, and they are the ones who deserve this game. Its not a scummy move their just not capable to puting the features they promest for dust onto the console BECAUSE the console can't handle it. The mistake was putting this game on console in the first place. sticking with a mistake is still a mistake in my book. PS4 has plenty of power to do whatever they want. PS3 did not, due to RAM limitations. Saying it can't because "its a console" isn't exactly an argument based in science, or logic. Usually banned for being too awesome.

Green Means Go Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2015.03.28 01:14:00 - [51] - Quote LOL, CCP wants to cut out the middle man for their profitable game.......
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 547	Posted - 2015.03.28 02:58:00 - [52] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: JJ'S wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rouge has, twice now, said he wants a New Eden FPS on PC. He also said a PS4 port isn't on their roadmap. He sounds pretty dead set against consoles, and I don't blame him. Name a game being completely developed purely for PC. Every game out there is developed with thoughts of porting to console or launching on console. There are more big titles and high rated games that don't come to PC but are on console. PC has better potential for gaming? There was a time when Game developers built games for next years PC hardware capabilities.. Not even being able to run the "Ultra" setting until next year and thousands of dollars of investment later... When game development was being pushed the hardest. That is gone.. Games are built with a possible console port.... Even Elite:Dangerous as it will be coming to the Xbox one. We would be blind fools to think that CCP Shanghai is currently developing DUST without any thoughts or work and making the assets transferable and workable on other platforms. I am more than 100% sure there are a lot of games that are exclusively for the PC I would know,I own some of those games EVE is PC only. Ergo, any other EVE game ahould be on PC (especially if they want to connect the games easily). Valkyrie will suffer the same fate as DUST I guarantee it. CCP has pulled the "We've learned our lesson" thing before. Console players want it simple. CCP wants to add layers and depth. Look what happened when they tried to move in that direction with DUST. Now they're dumbing it down for the simple COD fast twitch leaderboard epeen crowd. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.


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