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Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3085	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:17:00 - [1] - Quote Why? Rattati is going to reintroduce the Marauders and Enforcers, and any pilot that has a shred of hope for the tank battles of yore is praying for a return to the glory days of 10mil + ISK lost in 5 minutes. Vehicles should be their own best counter, not AV, which hasn't been touched, still doing more damage than the tanks that have recently been worked on and improved. I'd love to see explanations as to why AV shouldn't do so much damage. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2894	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:41:00 - [2] - Quote Nope. Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 941	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:46:00 - [3] - Quote The only AV that's better than a tank, for killing a tank, are AV greandes and remote exposives (strapped to an LAV.) A tank will down a tank about as fast as those... Though the AV is cheaper and less fun.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3088	Posted - 2015.03.20 18:06:00 - [4] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: The only AV that's better than a tank, for killing a tank, are AV greandes and remote exposives (strapped to an LAV.) A tank will down a tank about as fast as those... Though the AV is cheaper and less fun. Voila snackbar car = 10k damage, instant death, no fun at all. AV grenades = screaming voila snackbar, few thousand damage in 2 seconds. EZ mode, no fun. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2714	Posted - 2015.03.20 18:25:00 - [5] - Quote So you want to invulnerable when in a tank? And when ANTI VEHICLE is useless against vehicles... why should it exist? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 587	Posted - 2015.03.20 18:25:00 - [6] - Quote God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? The State will always survive.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3090	Posted - 2015.03.20 18:26:00 - [7] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: So you want to invulnerable when in a tank? And when ANTI VEHICLE is useless against vehicles... why should it exist? Point out where I said invulnerable and that AV should be useless against vehicles. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3090	Posted - 2015.03.20 18:27:00 - [8] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2758	Posted - 2015.03.20 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? Because a Militia suit can still kill a full proto bear. Get gud. Home at Last <3
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3093	Posted - 2015.03.20 19:33:00 - [10] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? Because a Militia suit can still kill a full proto bear. Get gud. If the guy in PRO just stands there, yeah. Or has next to no HP and the guy in MLT finishes him off. Stop using bad arguments. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff

Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2172	Posted - 2015.03.20 19:39:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? Because Anti-Vehicle weapons are designed to destroy vehicles, not tickle them. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! Rated [TV-MA]
IMMORTAL WAR HERO Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 311	Posted - 2015.03.20 19:57:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Why? Rattati is going to reintroduce the Marauders and Enforcers, and any pilot that has a shred of hope for the tank battles of yore is praying for a return to the glory days of 10mil + ISK lost in 5 minutes. Vehicles should be their own best counter, not AV, which hasn't been touched, still doing more damage than the tanks that have recently been worked on and improved. I'd love to see explanations as to why AV shouldn't do so much damage. huzaaa i shall once again ride my glorious sagaris into battle Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3093	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:03:00 - [13] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? Because Anti-Vehicle weapons are designed to destroy vehicles, not tickle them. Why should one person hold so much power in their hands when my tank has a power supply the size of a heavy suit? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2155	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:10:00 - [14] - Quote I love when "tankers" complain about AV... When 3-4 people are making it their sole effort to destroy you, it's NOT OP... Blame teammates for not killing the AVers (as they are an easy kill), and don't get mad when 1/4th of the enemy team gains up on you Pubs are those pesky things that we need to get our SP.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3475	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:18:00 - [15] - Quote I don't understand why some tankers have so much nostalgia for "yeah, 10 million isk burned in 5 minutes!" Why the hell would you want a role, that is now pretty much symmetrical with Infantry, to be so freaking expensive? "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3093	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:25:00 - [16] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I don't understand why some tankers have so much nostalgia for "yeah, 10 million isk burned in 5 minutes!" Why the hell would you want a role, that is now pretty much symmetrical with Infantry, to be so freaking expensive? Because tanks were more than worth the ISK and SP investment. Sounds like you have no clue as to the battles we used to have. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3093	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:26:00 - [17] - Quote 8213 wrote: I love when "tankers" complain about AV... When 3-4 people are making it their sole effort to destroy you, it's NOT OP... Blame teammates for not killing the AVers (as they are an easy kill), and don't get mad when 1/4th of the enemy team gains up on you It's rarely 3-4 at a time. It's often one, launching EZ mode swarms that melt armor, and AV grenades that are pocket nuclear missile bombs. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2174	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? Because Anti-Vehicle weapons are designed to destroy vehicles, not tickle them. Why should one person hold so much power in their hands when my tank has a power supply the size of a heavy suit? Because you're tank is completely immune to roughly 75% of the weapons in this game. That's 3/4th of the threats in this game you are immune to; the trade off is AV should be powerful. Don't like it? Let me do 100% damage with my SMG against tanks. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! Rated [TV-MA]
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3093	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:54:00 - [19] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? Because Anti-Vehicle weapons are designed to destroy vehicles, not tickle them. Why should one person hold so much power in their hands when my tank has a power supply the size of a heavy suit? Because you're tank is completely immune to roughly 75% of the weapons in this game. That's 3/4th of the threats in this game you are immune to; the trade off is AV should be powerful. Don't like it? Let me do 100% damage with my SMG against tanks. So the same complaint that's been bandied about for years, rifles can't damage tanks. Knives do 50% damage, AHMGs do 100%. I'd ask what more do you want, but I know it's probably at least 75% efficacy for all infantry weapons against vehicles. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
The dark cloud Negative-Feedback. 4173	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:59:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Why? Rattati is going to reintroduce the Marauders and Enforcers, and any pilot that has a shred of hope for the tank battles of yore is praying for a return to the glory days of 10mil + ISK lost in 5 minutes. Vehicles should be their own best counter, not AV, which hasn't been touched, still doing more damage than the tanks that have recently been worked on and improved. I'd love to see explanations as to why AV shouldn't do so much damage. i dont know what stuff you smoke but armor tanks are like a rolling fortress these days. I have both Av and armor tanks at max and i have a easier time destroying a tank with another tank then trying to blow up a perma hardened madrugar. And if you are complaining that 4 guys with forgeguns sitting on a roof then you should keep in mind that it took 4 players to stop you. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3478	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:37:00 - [21] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I don't understand why some tankers have so much nostalgia for "yeah, 10 million isk burned in 5 minutes!" Why the hell would you want a role, that is now pretty much symmetrical with Infantry, to be so freaking expensive? Because tanks were more than worth the ISK and SP investment. Sounds like you have no clue as to the battles we used to have. I do but balancing things based on how expensive they are is a bad idea. See the current issue on Prototype: people that can run it always run it and those that can't, don't. Vehicles work a little differently know. They are built like Dropsuits (I would also bet that in the next year, ALL Dropsuits are going to be like Tanks and just more CPU/PG at higher tiers). The amount of SP to get into Tanks is pretty much the same as a dropsuit. This means that tanks have become a lot more of a real role now that there is that investment. Remembering fondly back to when they cost even more than they did today is silly. Allow me to equate the money issue to an issue that you probably remember: Vehicles in Uprising pre-1.7. When one Prototype Swarm Launcher could sit on top of a roof and factor eliminate virtually any vehicle. One person is negating the entire role. I remember those days, they sucked. Now imagine what the issue would be like if tanks were made even more expensive and it was simply money that was factor eliminating an entire role. There is also the sticky balance question that comes out: "Oh, your Swarm Launcher is 50k and my Tank is 2.5 million!" Again, you have brought this up before. Balance between AV and Vehicles will always be touchy when it is such a rock and paper scenario with SP on the line. Adding in an absurd amount of isk doesn't alleviate that problem. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy 1213	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:46:00 - [22] - Quote I find it absurd that I have to run away from my slaying of infantry because the swarms already took out half of my armor! That momment when CCP Frame makes a horrible joke *( -í° -£-û -í°)*
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1369	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:28:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? You realize any competant AV fit takes 15-20m sp investment, while I can jump in a MLT tank with 0 SP investment and do practically the same thing, while also being immune to non-av.. Bad tanker is bad.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2898	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:29:00 - [24] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: God do tankers ever stop complaining about AV? 80k 5mil SP suit vs 1mil ISK 60mil SP tank. Why does that pittance cost of a suit do so much damage against a huge investment of a tank? You realize any competant AV fit takes 15-20m sp investment, while I can jump in a MLT tank with 0 SP investment and do practically the same thing, while also being immune to non-av.. Bad tanker is bad.. -_- Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10739	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:32:00 - [25] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: The only AV that's better than a tank, for killing a tank, are AV greandes and remote exposives (strapped to an LAV.) A tank will down a tank about as fast as those... Though the AV is cheaper and less fun. Voila snackbar car = 10k damage, instant death, no fun at all. AV grenades = screaming voila snackbar, few thousand damage in 2 seconds. EZ mode, no fun. AV grenades also have a range of ~20m Snackbar car, I can understand. But AV grenades are fine. Give the infantry some distance. We aren't meant to be defenseless. And I will remind you of such if you get too close. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Outlaw OneZero Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1602	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:57:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Why? Rattati is going to reintroduce the Marauders and Enforcers, and any pilot that has a shred of hope for the tank battles of yore is praying for a return to the glory days of 10mil + ISK lost in 5 minutes. Vehicles should be their own best counter, not AV, which hasn't been touched, still doing more damage than the tanks that have recently been worked on and improved. I'd love to see explanations as to why AV shouldn't do so much damage. You are so clearly full of crap and have been forever. AV is specifically designed to destroy vehicles, it should be very good at it. You always like to make the claim that it should take several AV players to take out a tank, that teamwork should be a requirement to destroy a team asset like an HAV. Let me give you a different perspective that has never occurred to you. If should take teamwork to keep an HAV alive. Your infantry should be working with you to eliminate the enemy AV. A solo tanker vs a solo AV player should be an equal match and the decision should go with whoever controls the situation better. The equation should ALWAYS be 1 player = 1 player, full stop. The way you try to make it out now, it should also take teamwork to take out a logi. Their suits are more expensive and they have to invest much more SP into their role, so it is clear that 1 logi should equal at least 2 normal infantry. Put away your stupid arguments and git gud scrub. Hello, is this thing on?
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2174	Posted - 2015.03.20 23:53:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: So the same complaint that's been bandied about for years, rifles can't damage tanks. Knives do 50% damage, AHMGs do 100%. I'd ask what more do you want, but I know it's probably at least 75% efficacy for all infantry weapons against vehicles. I'm not complaining about non-AV weapons not damaging tank, that part is fine; but you're the one that wants AV to be weak, and you got to trade something for that. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! Rated [TV-MA]
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3254	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:05:00 - [28] - Quote Yea I have to agree with some other people. If you are in a shield tank right now, you are getting REKT left and right. I for one love to smash shield tanks with my PLC. On the other hand, the Madrugar is something seriously powerful right now. The Blaster seems to be in a good place and so does the armour tank. Even with a totally maxed out Allotek PLC, I cannot do enough damage to break the Madrugars I have been seeing on the map, not even close to be honest. Granted, the PLC is anti shield weaponry, but never before has my PLC anti armour damage seemed so impotent. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Dementia Maniaclease Dust 514 Elite Ops 15	Posted - 2015.03.21 02:38:00 - [29] - Quote I've actually been faring well in a soma against av in fact earlier it took 3 av guys to pop my tank.. So , ... Quit yer griping!!! I have a hard time seeing how I am doing better with a MILITIA tank than people running the more expensive versions., I am not that good of a tank driver.. Or am I?... "An enemy on the march is at its most vulnerable"- Sun Tzu
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5853	Posted - 2015.03.21 03:49:00 - [30] - Quote I personally love how tanks in this game are like BFRs in the first Planetside. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is defending their "I WIN" button. The fact that you can have an asset that requires NO teamwork whatsoever that is more than a match for a whole squad is stupid. It's only fun for one side, and at that point it shouldn't exist. Do I think Swarms are balanced right now? No. Swarms are cheesy easymode because they are fire-and-forget ** machines that require no player skill at all to use. Do I think tanks should EVER be like Spkr seems to want them to be? ** no. That would kill Dust deader than Legion would. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha



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