DUST Search - In depth chart explaining why Scrambler is OP

Dergle wrote:

FUCKKING TANK wrote:

I mean really guys, any weapon is "OP" if the person wielding it knows how to run it. Let me guess, the MCC is going to be op because people ram dropships into it? As a user of the ScR I WILL admit the stats are "OP", but you have to think, thats in a perfect world that those stats are correct. I lose my full 200k photo suits to an advanced speed tanked min assault running combat rifle. Not every bullet hits, and you get a lot of times where the ScR isn't really even doing damage. Why don't you guys try actually running the thing before you say its "OP" I'm now on my 7th respec because it seems like every time I switch someone complains. The reason that I slay the way I do is because I've worked my @$$ off for 2 years and I know what I'm doing.. I am in no way trying to start a fight or troll anyone. Just please try it before you hate on it. And don't tell me some scenario because I've already been in it. Ive been the caldari assault who gets smashed by a ScR. I've also been the Cal assault who smashes an ScR user.... Anyways I apologize if I offend anyone, but it's really getting old guys.

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Assert Dominance Negative-Feedback 1040	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:51:00 - [1] - Quote People always ask for charts and numbers to back up why the SR is OP because they're to scared to admit it. Well i decided to go ahead with some help from some friends, show how the scrambler rifle stands to other weapons. Keep in mind i used the same software, CCP used to create the 'Warbarge', so there is bound to people unlimited amounts of detail and numbers. The SR needs to be taken out of the game if not nerfed immediately. So ridiculous. Anyway here is the chart. http://i.imgur.com/S44KK6v.png blue dot, shoot him!!!!!!!!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7785	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:51:00 - [2] - Quote Seems legit. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1934	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:53:00 - [3] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: People always ask for charts and numbers to back up why the SR is OP because they're to scared to admit it. Well i decided to go ahead with some help from some friends, show how the scrambler rifle stands to other weapons. Keep in mind i used the same software, CCP used to create the 'Warbarge', so there is bound to people unlimited amounts of detail and numbers. The SR needs to be taken out of the game if not nerfed immediately. So ridiculous. Anyway here is the chart. http://i.imgur.com/S44KK6v.png ScR is OP toward shields no matter what any one says. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy 1052	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:53:00 - [4] - Quote Best troll 10 out of 10. im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 283	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:57:00 - [5] - Quote LOL!!!, beep, beep, beep. I was almost too scared to click on link for fear that it might be viral for my computer. But that pic....... you had me there for a second...you got me... definitely shows what is OP about the SCR. The gun just looks far too awesome as a red painted gun. Its aesthetics is OP.
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 250	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:58:00 - [6] - Quote I'm afraid that even when presented with such precisely calculated data, proponents of the ScR will never relent and admit to gleefully abusing an obviously OP gun. I foresee the next patch being named: enslavement 1.0.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17705	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:09:00 - [7] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: People always ask for charts and numbers to back up why the SR is OP because they're to scared to admit it. Well i decided to go ahead with some help from some friends, show how the scrambler rifle stands to other weapons. Keep in mind i used the same software, CCP used to create the 'Warbarge', so there is bound to people unlimited amounts of detail and numbers. The SR needs to be taken out of the game if not nerfed immediately. So ridiculous. Anyway here is the chart. http://i.imgur.com/S44KK6v.png Can't believe I never noticed that before......there's a capital B in ScramBler. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
xavier zor Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 944	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:38:00 - [8] - Quote Ffs the scrambled is not OP, it excels at 1v1 but its drawback is its ability to take in multiple targets retired https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGOuOaObVA<---KingThunderBolt fail montage meh
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 94	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:39:00 - [9] - Quote I see,this is mathematically accurate. I don't think I can argue here How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5975	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:47:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: People always ask for charts and numbers to back up why the SR is OP because they're to scared to admit it. Well i decided to go ahead with some help from some friends, show how the scrambler rifle stands to other weapons. Keep in mind i used the same software, CCP used to create the 'Warbarge', so there is bound to people unlimited amounts of detail and numbers. The SR needs to be taken out of the game if not nerfed immediately. So ridiculous. Anyway here is the chart. http://i.imgur.com/S44KK6v.png ScR is OP toward shields no matter what any one says. thread jack eminent There's a thread in feedback over adding resistance mods to the game go check it out. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:55:00 - [11] - Quote Meh, very op vs shields, meh vs armor, compared to, a CR, but whatever, no one uses shields, especially since the ASCR makes the ScR obsolete, more armor dps. Molestia approved
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2670	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:07:00 - [12] - Quote If you shield users feel hurt, reduce our damage profile to 10/10. That way armor tankers can share your tears, not saying that they don't qq. Our weapons are OP because of one fundamental thing...faith. You see the gold, the sex appeal, the glory that is the scrambler and you believe in the awesomeness of it. It doesn't matter if the damage was 15 per shot, you can't help but believe in the amazingness in it, thus causing a obscured paradigm on the weapon being op. When in truth the weapon is really blessed. Maybe if you heretics stopped believing in deities, freedom, and shields you too would prosper. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12170	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:59:00 - [13] - Quote Wow, I never thought of it like that before. That chart really opened my eyes. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
FUCKKING TANK G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:23:00 - [14] - Quote I mean really guys, any weapon is "OP" if the person wielding it knows how to run it. Let me guess, the MCC is going to be op because people ram dropships into it? As a user of the ScR I WILL admit the stats are "OP", but you have to think, thats in a perfect world that those stats are correct. I lose my full 200k photo suits to an advanced speed tanked min assault running combat rifle. Not every bullet hits, and you get a lot of times where the ScR isn't really even doing damage. Why don't you guys try actually running the thing before you say its "OP" I'm now on my 7th respec because it seems like every time I switch someone complains. The reason that I slay the way I do is because I've worked my @$$ off for 2 years and I know what I'm doing.. I am in no way trying to start a fight or troll anyone. Just please try it before you hate on it. And don't tell me some scenario because I've already been in it. Ive been the caldari assault who gets smashed by a ScR. I've also been the Cal assault who smashes an ScR user.... Anyways I apologize if I offend anyone, but it's really getting old guys. Time is our real enemy
Dergle Ahrendee Inc. 85	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:29:00 - [15] - Quote FUCKKING TANK wrote: I mean really guys, any weapon is "OP" if the person wielding it knows how to run it. Let me guess, the MCC is going to be op because people ram dropships into it? As a user of the ScR I WILL admit the stats are "OP", but you have to think, thats in a perfect world that those stats are correct. I lose my full 200k photo suits to an advanced speed tanked min assault running combat rifle. Not every bullet hits, and you get a lot of times where the ScR isn't really even doing damage. Why don't you guys try actually running the thing before you say its "OP" I'm now on my 7th respec because it seems like every time I switch someone complains. The reason that I slay the way I do is because I've worked my @$$ off for 2 years and I know what I'm doing.. I am in no way trying to start a fight or troll anyone. Just please try it before you hate on it. And don't tell me some scenario because I've already been in it. Ive been the caldari assault who gets smashed by a ScR. I've also been the Cal assault who smashes an ScR user.... Anyways I apologize if I offend anyone, but it's really getting old guys. This Ignore your instincts at your peril.
Assert Dominance Negative-Feedback 1067	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:29:00 - [16] - Quote ^ lolololol blue dot, shoot him!!!!!!!!
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15519	Posted - 2015.03.18 02:21:00 - [17] - Quote I was slightly expecting a serious graph with serious numbers. Was pleasantly surprised. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18931	Posted - 2015.03.18 02:21:00 - [18] - Quote Such cartography. I didn't know you where a master at 3d topographical pie charts. Marvelously crafted it should prove useful in obtaining a measure to scale back the assault scrambler rifles OP ness CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Patt MaCrotch Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 92	Posted - 2015.03.18 02:22:00 - [19] - Quote Hook, line and sinker.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22865	Posted - 2015.03.18 06:59:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: People always ask for charts and numbers to back up why the SR is OP because they're to scared to admit it. Well i decided to go ahead with some help from some friends, show how the scrambler rifle stands to other weapons. Keep in mind i used the same software, CCP used to create the 'Warbarge', so there is bound to people unlimited amounts of detail and numbers. The SR needs to be taken out of the game if not nerfed immediately. So ridiculous. Anyway here is the chart. http://i.imgur.com/S44KK6v.png Can't believe I never noticed that before......there's a capital B in ScramBler. The more you look at it, the better it gets. Gallente Guide

Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2745	Posted - 2015.03.18 07:07:00 - [21] - Quote Scrambler rifle filled with green yes for death of cloaking scout. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 410	Posted - 2015.03.18 10:02:00 - [22] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Meh, very op vs shields, meh vs armor, compared to, a CR, but whatever, no one uses shields, especially since the ASCR makes the ScR obsolete, more armor dps. I still think the ScR is a far better weapon than the AScR. Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )
xavier zor Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 972	Posted - 2015.03.18 11:12:00 - [23] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Meh, very op vs shields, meh vs armor, compared to, a CR, but whatever, no one uses shields, especially since the ASCR makes the ScR obsolete, more armor dps. I still think the ScR is a far better weapon than the AScR. this the Scr is still better than the AScr... retired https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGOuOaObVA<---KingThunderBolt fail montage meh
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5836	Posted - 2015.03.18 12:52:00 - [24] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: People always ask for charts and numbers to back up why the SR is OP because they're to scared to admit it. Well i decided to go ahead with some help from some friends, show how the scrambler rifle stands to other weapons. Keep in mind i used the same software, CCP used to create the 'Warbarge', so there is bound to be unlimited amounts of detail and numbers. The SR needs to be taken out of the game if not nerfed immediately. So ridiculous. Anyway here is the chart. http://i.imgur.com/S44KK6v.png For ****'s sake, why can't people do this more often? If you just give us a well prepared graph to demonstrate your position, it's so much easier to understand your viewpoint. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
FUCKKING TANK G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 3	Posted - 2015.03.18 20:04:00 - [25] - Quote Dergle wrote: FUCKKING TANK wrote: I mean really guys, any weapon is "OP" if the person wielding it knows how to run it. Let me guess, the MCC is going to be op because people ram dropships into it? As a user of the ScR I WILL admit the stats are "OP", but you have to think, thats in a perfect world that those stats are correct. I lose my full 200k photo suits to an advanced speed tanked min assault running combat rifle. Not every bullet hits, and you get a lot of times where the ScR isn't really even doing damage. Why don't you guys try actually running the thing before you say its "OP" I'm now on my 7th respec because it seems like every time I switch someone complains. The reason that I slay the way I do is because I've worked my @$$ off for 2 years and I know what I'm doing.. I am in no way trying to start a fight or troll anyone. Just please try it before you hate on it. And don't tell me some scenario because I've already been in it. Ive been the caldari assault who gets smashed by a ScR. I've also been the Cal assault who smashes an ScR user.... Anyways I apologize if I offend anyone, but it's really getting old guys. This What? Time is our real enemy
Vyzion Eyri WarRavens 2566	Posted - 2015.03.18 23:29:00 - [26] - Quote As someone who gets killed a metric kitten-ton by Scrambler Rifles since majority of my playtime goes to MinFW, and decided to spec into advanced ScRs to try them out, I have only respect for people who master the mechanics for that wild beast. I am more than happy to let them romp around pew-pewing while I do my own thing with easier weapons. > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Dreis Shadowweaver Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2244	Posted - 2015.03.19 01:17:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Such cartography. I didn't know you where a master at 3d topographical pie charts. Marvelously crafted it should prove useful in obtaining a measure to scale back the assault scrambler rifles OP ness ^ The worrying thing is that he's not even trolling... Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)saxonmish
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1942	Posted - 2015.03.19 01:26:00 - [28] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Ffs the scrambled is not OP, it excels at 1v1 but its drawback is its ability to take in multiple targets Yeah, say that to my Amarr Assault that can mass murder herds of enemies in seconds. P.S., no weapon is good at taking on multiple targets except MD. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
xavier zor Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1019	Posted - 2015.03.19 01:29:00 - [29] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: xavier zor wrote: Ffs the scrambled is not OP, it excels at 1v1 but its drawback is its ability to take in multiple targets Yeah, say that to my Amarr Assault that can mass murder herds of enemies in seconds. P.S., no weapon is good at taking on multiple targets except MD. well, you are wrong any weapon with very little/no overheat mechanism and a high clip size assault rifle rail rifle assault scrambler rifle sub-machine gun (not assault) knives shotgun retired https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGOuOaObVA<---KingThunderBolt fail montage meh
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS 171	Posted - 2015.03.19 07:22:00 - [30] - Quote lol, This made me laugh. Fantastic job! Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.

Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy 815	Posted - 2015.03.19 07:34:00 - [31] - Quote How has no-one mentioned that the ScR (and now the god-damn AScR) are performing way better against Armor than they should? How has no-one mentioned that it's the ONLY Light Weapon with a ridiculously calculated Charge-Shot? This weapon needs serious nerfing, or its charge shot removed entirely from the game. When a weapon does as well against armor as the CR, despite a 20% reduction, you know it's broken, and now Rattati made the god awful decision to make the AScR OP as well. Inb4 "Minmatar Scum", I play Gallente and have beefs with the CR as well, but that's another thread for another time. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0
xavier zor Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1025	Posted - 2015.03.19 07:37:00 - [32] - Quote How should it perform against armor then? It is meant to have a high damage output, but it cannot sustain it unlike the other weapons retired https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGOuOaObVA<---KingThunderBolt fail montage meh
Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy 815	Posted - 2015.03.19 07:59:00 - [33] - Quote xavier zor wrote: How should it perform against armor then? It is meant to have a high damage output, but it cannot sustain it unlike the other weapons It should perform as it's damage profile suggests, terribly against armor, not blapping a 1200 armor tanked Commando in 3-5 shots. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 421	Posted - 2015.03.19 08:54:00 - [34] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: xavier zor wrote: How should it perform against armor then? It is meant to have a high damage output, but it cannot sustain it unlike the other weapons It should perform as it's damage profile suggests, terribly against armor, not blapping a 1200 armor tanked Commando in 3-5 shots. Well it's not blapping a 1200 armor tanked sent or commando in 3-5 shots. And if you're talking about charged shots, then this commando/sent really need a better gungame because it takes a lot of time to charge shots, and then wait for the cooldown. About charged shots: they are not OP at all. They take half of your max heat cap with AmAss lvl5, they have a low DPS considering the time they take to charge, and compare to how much damages you can deal with that heat cost by spamming the trigger, they are ridiculous (in a bad way). It's a great weapon for those who know when to fight and when to run. And trust me, if you miss your charged shots, you'll regret it immediately. Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2049	Posted - 2015.03.19 10:38:00 - [35] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: As someone who gets killed a metric kitten-ton by Scrambler Rifles since majority of my playtime goes to MinFW, and decided to spec into advanced ScRs to try them out, I have only respect for people who master the mechanics for that wild beast. I am more than happy to let them romp around pew-pewing while I do my own thing with easier weapons. how to master the weapon: -get a cheap turbo controller for 10 bucks -press fire button and enjoy higher DPS to armor than all anti armor light weapons with good range and great CQC capability. shields have no business here anyway -stop pressing button shortly before overheat and switch to sidearm for 2 seconds for best results, use amarr assault wow, it was so hard to master PS: before anyone claims CR does more DPS to armor... I will spare you from making yourself look stupid and tell your right away, the CR has a built in delay between bursts bringing it down to 857 RPM.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1944	Posted - 2015.03.19 16:04:00 - [36] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: xavier zor wrote: Ffs the scrambled is not OP, it excels at 1v1 but its drawback is its ability to take in multiple targets Yeah, say that to my Amarr Assault that can mass murder herds of enemies in seconds. P.S., no weapon is good at taking on multiple targets except MD. well, you are wrong any weapon with very little/no overheat mechanism and a high clip size assault rifle rail rifle assault scrambler rifle sub-machine gun (not assault) knives shotgun Kind of like my ScR. Very Little overheat and enough ammo to drop 2-4 guys in proto. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.


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"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.