DUST Search - EVE: Legion

Aero Yassavi wrote:

WARNING: The following contains highly optimistic speculation

Ever notice how every mention of the planetary combat adaptation of New Eden in recent announcements has been referred to as Dust 514 and not EVE: Legion? And even at Fan Fest there may not be much for us but there are still two panels for Dust 514 and zero for Legion. And remember when CCP told us it would be hotfixes from here on out and client updates would be unlikely, yet we got Uprising 1.9 and Warlords 1.0 with Warlords 1.1 looming ahead? What if CCP responded to the backlash of last year? What if our first elected CPM knocked some sense into CCP and made it clear how even considering skipping the PS4 for the future of New Eden planetary combat was incredibly disrespectful to your existing supporters? What if CCP realized the PS4 infrastructure is very similar to a PC? What if CCP noticed that since last Fan Fest other games came out like Warthunder which is 1) Free to play 2) Doesn't require PS+ for online play 3) Receives fast updates and 4) Has cross play between PC and PS4? What if . . .

I apologize for any false hope I may have caused.

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TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 596	Posted - 2015.03.16 02:28:00 - [1] - Quote its been nearly a year since i've seen any footage of it. also, who ever decided not to port dust to ps4 needs shot. its been two years and there are no good shooters on any platform.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2149	Posted - 2015.03.16 02:32:00 - [2] - Quote There's going to be a Dust keynote at the next fanfest so I'm sure we'll hear all about their legion progress. I imagine they're eager to show off those awesome smoke effects some more. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! Rated [TV-MA]
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11160	Posted - 2015.03.16 02:49:00 - [3] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: There's going to be a Dust keynote at the next fanfest so I'm sure we'll hear all about their legion progress. I imagine they're eager to show off those awesome smoke effects some more. Source: http://fanfest.eveonline.com/schedule?_ga=1.141026929.2100929405.1426307196 It's not really a keynote. More like a community panel. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Big Daigo Caldari State 58	Posted - 2015.03.16 02:51:00 - [4] - Quote E.V.E: Valkyrie is gonna be on PS4, DUST can't compete. Even castles made of sand fall into the sea eventually. *For the State.*
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11160	Posted - 2015.03.16 02:52:00 - [5] - Quote Big Daigo wrote: E.V.E: Valkyrie is gonna be on PS4, DUST can't compete. Yet Project Legion will be on the PC where Eve Online is at. Explain that. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS 165	Posted - 2015.03.16 02:56:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Big Daigo wrote: E.V.E: Valkyrie is gonna be on PS4, DUST can't compete. Yet Project Legion will be on the PC where Eve Online is at. Explain that. EVE Online and Legion are 2 different types of games that don't have to compete with each other. EVE Online is: subscription base Not easy learning curve Takes years to get somewhere Clicky clicky actions Project Legion is: FPS Not as steep learning curve FPS combat There are more people who play FPSs than games such as EVE Online. The only competition Legion will have is Star Citizen and every FPS in existence on PC. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18907	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:10:00 - [7] - Quote Cross your fingers and wish your CPM luck. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 1039	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:14:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cross your fingers and wish your CPM luck. Get Legion on PS4 after PC gets it DO IT ! im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 169	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:19:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cross your fingers and wish your CPM luck. For all of our sake, I will. Amarr Victor
Kuruld Sengar B.O.S.S.GD 266	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:19:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cross your fingers and wish your CPM luck. Probably the most telling post I have seen on the matter.

TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 596	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:40:00 - [11] - Quote i hate to admit this but if dust came to the ps4 i would start playing it again. i am desperate for game where loss actually matters.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS 165	Posted - 2015.03.16 03:55:00 - [12] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: i hate to admit this but if dust came to the ps4 i would start playing it again. i am desperate for game where loss actually matters. Already exists. Called DUST 514 for PS3 only. Should trade that Shit4 for a Playstation 3. Something that actually has good games for it and didn't takes 2 years for it to happen or start to happen. :D Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3373	Posted - 2015.03.16 04:10:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cross your fingers and wish your CPM luck. Can you get the Roundtables on YouTube with some decent audio/visual quality? If a DUST tree falls in Harpa and no one is around to b**** about it on the forums, does it matter that it fell at all? I know it is a silly way of putting it but what is the point of talking about DUST if we don't get to hear about it. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3822	Posted - 2015.03.16 04:15:00 - [14] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: i hate to admit this but if dust came to the ps4 i would start playing it again. i am desperate for game where loss actually matters. Dust would be reborn on the ps4. If players that left dust back in early uprising see dust for what it is now (minus the framerate issues), I'm sure they'd be excited or impressed. Now, we have jumpman mods....so destiny fanboys may appreciate that as well. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
1e 3peat Eternal Beings RISE of LEGION 44	Posted - 2015.03.16 04:19:00 - [15] - Quote I am counting on legion. There is no other reason for me to hang around here. If it goes to vaporware I see no problem in boycotting anything ccp touches no matter what the content. That's then though, now I just sit here and wait.
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 890	Posted - 2015.03.16 08:05:00 - [16] - Quote I'd rather see DUST 514 on the PS4, if Legion is made and goes to PC I know I won't be transferring over! CEO Closed Beta Vet
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1016	Posted - 2015.03.16 08:20:00 - [17] - Quote there is no good games on the ps4. like the only one i would play is gta 5 and AC, yet ive heard the new AC was a complete failure. Racing games... theres only like three racing games and they are all generic and bad, the crew, nfs rivals or something, and drive club. sports games... LOL, havent touched a sports game since 2005 on my psp. i avoid them like the plague. FPS... kz, bf4, cod, and destiny, do i have to say more? any decent of amazing mmo's? thinking of just selling my ps4. framerate>everything else
castba Rogue Instincts Ashtar Federation 821	Posted - 2015.03.16 08:46:00 - [18] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cross your fingers and wish your CPM luck. Get Legion on PS4 after PC gets it DO IT ! No, get the PC iteration sorted, then aim for a n adaptation on PS5. By the time Legion is released and sorted, the PS4 will be at least half way through its lifecycle. No use making the same error they did with Dust. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 246	Posted - 2015.03.16 10:10:00 - [19] - Quote 1e 3peat wrote: I am counting on legion. There is no other reason for me to hang around here. If it goes to vaporware I see no problem in boycotting anything ccp touches no matter what the content. That's then though, now I just sit here and wait. You spoke the words for me. Every penny I spend on Dust is with the thoughts of: a) Im gonna use this quick and enjoy it. b) It will be part of the awesomeness that I transfer to Legion. This is exactly why I will only spend very little money on my war barge. The short term effect is not all that great and we still do not know what the long term will be. So far I have only purchased roughly 300 components and unless the new subsystems are amazing I will not be buying any more.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 687	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:02:00 - [20] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Big Daigo wrote: E.V.E: Valkyrie is gonna be on PS4, DUST can't compete. Yet Project Legion will be on the PC where Eve Online is at. Explain that. EVE Online and Legion are 2 different types of games that don't have to compete with each other. EVE Online is: subscription base Not easy learning curve Takes years to get somewhere Clicky clicky actions Project Legion is: FPS Not as steep learning curve FPS combat There are more people who play FPSs than games such as EVE Online. The only competition Legion will have is Star Citizen and every FPS in existence on PC. Note: Bolded/underline - wrong. If you take 'learnig someting' like heavy 'jumps' in Dust .. sure.. all is hard. Not much time left...

Jack Boost Zarena Family 687	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:12:00 - [21] - Quote Valkirie - next year... (Project Morpheus will show at market with Valkyrie as 'exclusive'... so 1+1= 2... legion will come too as trylogy (yes .. try-login ;) Plenty of time... for polished project :). We get maybe something crosplatform like: PS3 - dust PS4 - valkyrie PC - Eve but prefered thing, all will be all at PC... Not much time left...
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9424	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:42:00 - [22] - Quote WARNING: The following contains highly optimistic speculation Ever notice how every mention of the planetary combat adaptation of New Eden in recent announcements has been referred to as Dust 514 and not EVE: Legion? And even at Fan Fest there may not be much for us but there are still two panels for Dust 514 and zero for Legion. And remember when CCP told us it would be hotfixes from here on out and client updates would be unlikely, yet we got Uprising 1.9 and Warlords 1.0 with Warlords 1.1 looming ahead? What if CCP responded to the backlash of last year? What if our first elected CPM knocked some sense into CCP and made it clear how even considering skipping the PS4 for the future of New Eden planetary combat was incredibly disrespectful to your existing supporters? What if CCP realized the PS4 infrastructure is very similar to a PC? What if CCP noticed that since last Fan Fest other games came out like Warthunder which is 1) Free to play 2) Doesn't require PS+ for online play 3) Receives fast updates and 4) Has cross play between PC and PS4? What if . . . I apologize for any false hope I may have caused. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 248	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:50:00 - [23] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: WARNING: The following contains highly optimistic speculation Ever notice how every mention of the planetary combat adaptation of New Eden in recent announcements has been referred to as Dust 514 and not EVE: Legion? And even at Fan Fest there may not be much for us but there are still two panels for Dust 514 and zero for Legion. And remember when CCP told us it would be hotfixes from here on out and client updates would be unlikely, yet we got Uprising 1.9 and Warlords 1.0 with Warlords 1.1 looming ahead? What if CCP responded to the backlash of last year? What if our first elected CPM knocked some sense into CCP and made it clear how even considering skipping the PS4 for the future of New Eden planetary combat was incredibly disrespectful to your existing supporters? What if CCP realized the PS4 infrastructure is very similar to a PC? What if CCP noticed that since last Fan Fest other games came out like Warthunder which is 1) Free to play 2) Doesn't require PS+ for online play 3) Receives fast updates and 4) Has cross play between PC and PS4? What if . . . I apologize for any false hope I may have caused. CCP has gone 100% silent on Legion because no matter what they say there is going to be backlash. They want to be sure on their path before anything else is mentioned. Option A: Say Legion is being worked on and is greenlit and the backlash starts all over again. More of the Dust is dead threads pour in and all the lovely spending on these shiny new cash grabs stops for a couple of weeks. People probably start calling Sony again forcing refunds through. Option B: Say Legion is dead and all of the people like myself that are still spending in anticipation of transferring to Legion stop said spending. We as a childish player base forced CCP to go tight lipped like they did. I can honestly say that I did not at all help the situation right along with everyone else. Obviously some people just walked away or shrugged it off and I am not referring to those people. The PS4 is still under powered compared to a mid level PC as well as comes along with all that red tape that Sony wraps everything up with. This is only opinion but I do not foresee a PS4 happening other than if Legion was out on PC for a couple of years and then ported after they have also gained experience with the PS4 via Eve:Valkyrie.
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game 1817	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:56:00 - [24] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: there is no good games on the ps4. like the only one i would play is gta 5 and AC, yet ive heard the new AC was a complete failure. Racing games... theres only like three racing games and they are all generic and bad, the crew, nfs rivals or something, and drive club. sports games... LOL, havent touched a sports game since 2005 on my psp. i avoid them like the plague. FPS... kz, bf4, cod, and destiny, do i have to say more? i wouldnt play those games more than a month even if you paid me. any decent or amazing mmo's? thinking of just selling my ps4. Even by now i think dust being ported to the ps4 is too late. With the console already going for its 2nd year. Dust shoulda had been ported when the ps4 was barely 3 months old. That should had been the announcement at ff14. Well ehm.. I'm trying to buy a PS4 so... 150 Gé¼? One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game 1817	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:58:00 - [25] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I apologize for any false hope I may have caused. Damn you, Aero Yassavi! One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 248	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:59:00 - [26] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: there is no good games on the ps4. like the only one i would play is gta 5 and AC, yet ive heard the new AC was a complete failure. Racing games... theres only like three racing games and they are all generic and bad, the crew, nfs rivals or something, and drive club. sports games... LOL, havent touched a sports game since 2005 on my psp. i avoid them like the plague. FPS... kz, bf4, cod, and destiny, do i have to say more? i wouldnt play those games more than a month even if you paid me. any decent or amazing mmo's? thinking of just selling my ps4. Even by now i think dust being ported to the ps4 is too late. With the console already going for its 2nd year. Dust shoulda had been ported when the ps4 was barely 3 months old. That should had been the announcement at ff14. Well ehm.. I'm trying to buy a PS4 so... 150 Gé¼? LOL Also you forgot Battlefield Hardline (comes out tomorrow) and Blacklight Retribution
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9425	Posted - 2015.03.16 12:04:00 - [27] - Quote The problem with that is how Legion on PC only is utter disrespect to your current player base. I have a PC more than capable of running Legion whatever the specs, but what matter is it if most the supporting player base does not? And here you are saying a PS4 is not powerful enough to run Legion, so now anyone thinking of making the unnatural progression from PS3 to PC instead of PS4 now have to worry about making sure they are getting the right parts for a capable PC which wouldn't be cheap. I mean, come on seriously? There is no reason a first person shooter released in 2015 or 2016 should be more demanding than what a PS4 can handle. Any ultra high graphical settings which are independent of the core experience can be made special options on the PC version, not to say that it wouldn't look great on a PS4 regardless. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 665	Posted - 2015.03.16 12:26:00 - [28] - Quote On one hand, console controllers wear out quickly. "of Terror" has had to replace many controllers. I have 1 new one that doesn't have issues right now. Another drops the connection randomly for a few seconds. Another I can't sprint. Several have floppy analog knobs, or constant movement to one side when I take my thumb off the knob. http://i.imgur.com/U6hbHK4.jpg (this controller was only used for Dust 514) On the other hand, keyboard/mouse wears my wrists out over time. I'd have to wear wrist braces to put in long hours on the PC. I'd be happy with either PC or PS4. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 249	Posted - 2015.03.16 12:32:00 - [29] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The problem with that is how Legion on PC only is utter disrespect to your current player base. I have a PC more than capable of running Legion whatever the specs, but what matter is it if most the supporting player base does not? And here you are saying a PS4 is not powerful enough to run Legion, so now anyone thinking of making the unnatural progression from PS3 to PC instead of PS4 now have to worry about making sure they are getting the right parts for a capable PC which wouldn't be cheap. I mean, come on seriously? There is no reason a first person shooter released in 2015 or 2016 should be more demanding than what a PS4 can handle. Any ultra high graphical settings which are independent of the core experience can be made special options on the PC version, not to say that it wouldn't look great on a PS4 regardless. The PS4 is under powered for nearly any high end PC game available. It is roughly equal to a high end rig built 3 - 4 years ago. Take a look at the difference between GTA V on PC and PS4 and see how much Rockstar scaled the game back to make it run nicely on the PS4. CCP has more than 10 years developing on PC and less than 4 years dealing with Sony's red tape and slowed deployment schedules. Sony is dictatorial over the outside connections allowed in a game. Even the voice system we have was a fight because it is a 3rd party server. Sony requires a QA process that just does not go along with CCPs development style. CCP would be competing on the PS4 with games like Planetside 2 and Blacklight Retribution which have already spent several years being developed and bug tested on PC and are now being ported to PS4. It really does suck that the move to PC is going to have a very negative impact on the current player base but the future on PS3 is looking grim and a move to PS4 does not make great business sense. Why move to a platform that has proven hugely problematic and will require you hire more developers when you already have hundreds of developers on a platform that is much more friendly to you as a business. We have already seen that CCPs investors are on Hilmar about getting more profitability with the layoffs and restructuring last year. The way I see it they are not going to put up with any more failed projects and a move to PS4 has all the makings of a massive failure. A move to PS4 would cost 100s of thousands of dollars and the likely hood that the current player base would either go download a new game on PS3 or end up getting poached to other new games once they move to PS4 is high. A move to PC would see tens of thousands of players on day 1 of launch thanks to their following of Eve players who have well built rigs like we do. Lets also not forget that they have a database of millions of players who have played Eve either on a short term or trial basis over the past 10 years who will likely add to that day 1 count even more. This is exactly the reason I feel like they are working so carefully on Legion before they unveil it.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9427	Posted - 2015.03.16 13:22:00 - [30] - Quote Look, I have a high end PC, but I still stand by my statement that there is no reason a dust person shooter had to be mute demanding than a PS4 can handle. Even with your example with GTA . . . Does it look better on PC? Absolutely. Is it still perfectly playable and gorgeous on PS4? Absolutely. All PC is going to add is extra graphical finesse, nothing gameplay wise that isn't possible on PS4. And Sony had been opening up lately to their update policies. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support



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