Maddies are just fine now. We die to maxed out AV and large rails. Missiles do need some help though.

Honestly, I'm a proponent of limiting one hardener per vehicle. They should be powerful while up, but I should likewise be very vulnerable while they are down. Eve side, we have things like siege and bastion modules for a module limit on ships, and I believe hardeners are either too weak or too strong when being able to fit multiples. Limiting them to one, while it does take away one small factor of the sandbox, enables us to better balance them, since we don't have to worry about perma-hardened Gunnlogis and the like.

1.) Myofibs need a reduction. Instead of 15%, the might be booting jump height by 115%

2.) Large Missiles need buff- they are bad at killing vehicles. They either need their 400 RoF back or 300 RoF with 16 Clip. Or 200 RoF with 20 Clip.

3.) Armor Hardeners need a nerf. (5% would do) Armor tanks are back to 1.7 level with ridiculous rep rates and a 40% hardener on top of that. Armor hardeners need the same duration/cooldown as shield hardeners

4.) LAV's need more slots. Please.

5.) All tanks need more CPU/ PG, with more slots comes more fitting problems. My proto Gunnlogi's low slots are full of proto fitting modules and I still cannot fit a full proto tank with proto gunner slots and proto filled high slots

6.) Is there a reason that a heavy shield booster takes up 40% of all the PG on my Shield tank? Is thereANY possible way this question can be stressed enough? Shield boosters have the worst cost/benefit ratio of any current vehicle module.

7.)Turrets need to be looked at. All Missile turrets cost way more CPU and PG than railgun and blaster turrets.

8.) Tanks per side on map needs to be looked at. 5 HAV's per side is too much Rattati. Rarely see 5 tanks on the board even combining both sides.

9.) Some of the turret modules are very hard to fit but useless at Standard level. Long time problem

10.) Hardeners need to be balanced in another way. There shouldn't be a cap but there also shouldn't be a boosted fitting cost. The players that use only one hardener shouldn't be penalized like the rest The Fitting cost of a Hardener is too much, they take up a good 35% of my CPU on my Shield tank. Their CPU and PG needs to go back to the way they were. hardeners give more EHP than extenders or plates. They should cost about the same or slightly more since it's temporary.


Also- The AScR melts shields wayyyy too fastttttttttttttt. I lost my 640 shields on a Cal Sent (just a level1) to a standard Amarr commando with a Basic Assault ScR in like 1 sec. What can I say? I'm a masochist.

Hell, I'm getting one shotted through my hardeners by proto AV (probably a bug, but still)

some good points here, we will keep evolving this now that Maddies are no longer UP

quoted text edited for editorial reasons. No I'm not mocking the OP this time. I partly agree with him.

1.) Myofibs need a reduction. Instead of 15%, the might be booting jump height by 115%

2.) Large Missiles need buff- they are bad at killing vehicles. They either need their 400 RoF back or 300 RoF with 16 Clip. Or 200 RoF with 20 Clip.

3.) Armor Hardeners need a nerf. (5% would do) Armor tanks are back to 1.7 level with ridiculous rep rates and a 40% hardener on top of that.

4.) LAV's need more slots.

5.) All tanks need more CPU/ PG, with more slots comes more fitting problems. My proto Gunnlogi's low slots are full of proto fitting modules and I still cannot fit a full proto tank with proto gunner slots and proto filled high slots

6.) Is there a reason that a heavy shield booster takes up 40% of all the PG on my Shield tank?

7.)Turrets need to be looked at. All Missile turrets cost way more CPU and PG than railgun and blaster turrets.

8.) Tanks per side on map needs to be looked at. 5 HAV's per side is too much Rattati.

9.) Some of the turret modules are very hard to fit but useless at Standard level.

10.) Hardeners need to be balanced in another way. There shouldn't be a cap but there also shouldn't be a boosted fitting cost. The players that use only one hardener shouldn't be penalized like the rest The Fitting cost of a Hardener is too much, they take up a good 35% of my CPU on my Shield tank. Their CPU and PG needs to go back to the way they were.

Instead of current hardener balanced around CPU/PG, I suggest we balance it around efficiency. What if we made it so that if you activate two hardeners at one, the second hardener will only have 25% efficiency. This would make it so that if you activate two shield hardeners instead of one, your efficiency goes from 40%->50% resistance.

I really dislike being penalized especially since I only use one hardener.

Also- The AScR melts shields wayyyy too fastttttttttttttt. I lost my 640 shields on a Cal Sent (just a level1) to a standard Amarr commando with a Basic Assault ScR in like 1 sec.

some good points here, we will keep evolving this now that Maddies are no longer UP

Will test this. If true will try to provide as much detail on when/where/match data when it happened.

Much as I like busting HAV driver balls this is uncool if it's a thing. Hopefully if it's a persistent glitch it can be fixed fast.

unless you're running a complete STD sh*tfit. what's the circumstances under which this is happening?

I've experienced something like this. But it's not one shot, it's two shot hitting at the same time. I had a plasma cannon kill my maddy by accidentally landing the round behind me. The splash damage hit the weak spot while a forge struck me. I honestly thought it was just the forge gun killing me I thought about it. I had actually backed into the plasma cannon round as it landed behind me.

Packed av nades will kill you if your hardeners are off. Forge guns shoot too slow to kill dual rep maddy with dual hardeners.

Swarms are annoying and combined with av nades and myofibrils they make for op tank hunters. You can't track them as they jump over you repeatedly, but they can hit you perfectly because av nades and swarms are homing and don't require aiming.

Missiles are not bad at killing vehicles, my gunngoli gets screwed over by them with 3800 thousand shield and 900 armor. Do not bufff them.

2.) Large Missiles need buff- they are bad at killing vehicles. They either need their 400 RoF back or 300 RoF with 16 Clip. Or 200 RoF with 20 Clip.

3.) Armor Hardeners need a nerf. (5% would do) Armor tanks are back to 1.7 level with ridiculous rep rates and a 40% hardener on top of that.

4.) LAV's need more slots.

5.) All tanks need more CPU/ PG, with more slots comes more fitting problems. My proto Gunnlogi's low slots are full of proto fitting modules and I still cannot fit a full proto tank with proto gunner slots and proto filled high slots

8.) Tanks per side on map needs to be looked at. 5 HAV's per side is too much Rattati.