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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2015.03.12 11:36:00 -
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Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Please support fair play!
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2617
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Posted - 2015.03.12 11:39:00 -
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Taken from unallocated pool. Standard procedure.
No free skills.
Home at Last <3
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
18430
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Posted - 2015.03.12 11:40:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Working as intended
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2015.03.12 11:42:00 -
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What is with people who did not have unallocated pool?
A negative value? )))))))))))
Please support fair play!
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
18430
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Posted - 2015.03.12 11:43:00 -
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Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4137
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Posted - 2015.03.12 11:54:00 -
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Then you should give negative SP to all the people who has capped some weeks ago and received additional 750k SP for no reason (somebody received something like 4 millions with boosters).
What you have done with HAV skill is fine, but i think there should be the same treatment for all the players.
Pimp my Barge
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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1588
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Posted - 2015.03.12 12:43:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
Because reasons...
Is there a technical reason that you decided not to refund all skill points in a skill where you changed the multiplier or is this just a case of HTFU and live with your choices?
Hello, is this thing on?
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Brush Master
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1467
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Posted - 2015.03.12 13:13:00 -
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I question the implementation of a multiplier change of this scale. Auto removing SP I believe is the wrong process for changing a skill that has been untouched in a very long time and serves as a core skill for anyone that even wants to try a tank.
As a veteran player I can absorb this cost but I feel for any newer player that put into this skill and now resides with negative skill points. I highly suggest that you come up with a procedure to properly refund any skill and dependent skills when a multiplier increase is made on any skill.
It just makes sense and your community will be happier when we have a choice to spend the addition SP or not.
Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ?
True Logi. Flying DS from the start.
@dustreports
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Evan Gotabor
Prima Gallicus
156
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Posted - 2015.03.12 17:30:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
Talking about witches, do you intend to give to this pretty expensive skill some kind of bonus ? Because it's quite harsh to spend 3 million just to unlock vehicles.
Prima Gallicus diplomat
Eve 21 day Trial
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Captain Africa Clone1
GRIM MERCS
205
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Posted - 2015.03.12 17:36:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
Dude i have done that long ago so i don't have to do it later on ...it is a skill I hate to invest in but i did because i wanted to max HAV ...so please be clear wtf is up !!!
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DUST Fiend
15974
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Posted - 2015.03.12 17:41:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
Hey. That's not fair.
Don't blame people for actually having faith that you guys might one day do your jobs.
Not cool.
Contests, Sales, Writing etc
Fly Safe
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1400
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Posted - 2015.03.12 18:52:00 -
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Last 5 hours i spent around 30kk dust isk for testing the new tank system.
I tested it as a coordinator (map view) located on a small rail turret on railgun tank.
On a main turret - perfect tanker (Khack Nerom).
At the moment, I find a new system ... gorgeous!
As a sign of respect for the work of Rattati I surrender SP GÇïGÇïconfiscated from me for x8 skill.
Great job! Infantry need same system.
If anyone is interested in a detalies - just ask me (compilation will take some time).
*new system has many flaws and imperfections, but the overall rate is selected correctly.
*main tanker has a lot of complaints, the main of which - the cooling module must be passive.
Please support fair play!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17605
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Posted - 2015.03.12 19:03:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Should have read notes which told you that Vehicle Op would be an 8x skill not 4x.
Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you.
Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1471
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Posted - 2015.03.12 19:06:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
I trained it to level 3 for the hell of it back when you announced the HAV bringback initiative and the plan to introduce UHAV and DHAV skills requiring HAV operation level 3
Now I'm at -200k unallocated skillpoints
But I can use advanced HAVs so eh v0v |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6656
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Posted - 2015.03.12 19:07:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus. Hey. That's not fair. Don't blame people for actually having faith that you guys might one day do your jobs. Not cool.
I agree. Partial refund to vehicle users would've been a good idea. But if that happened, there would be people complaining that the level 5 skill they had should've stayed level 5 for free, so there's that as well. Can't win them all, brochacho. |
benandjerrys
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
139
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Posted - 2015.03.12 19:12:00 -
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Grandfathered in or at least a title screen warning. -1 CCP
Tread Locking Proficiency V
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Captain Africa Clone1
GRIM MERCS
206
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Posted - 2015.03.12 20:17:00 -
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CCP Rattati well at least now I know why I have - 1 mil sp. .. Im not going to complain to much since you are such a nice guy. Its like going to a garage and buy a car for 1 mil sp ...then later on the manufacturer decides the car is worth 2 mil and not only demands an additional 1 mil sp from me....but deducts it from my bank account...and doesn't even have the decency to let me know...
You know a similar thing happened in Eve a few years ago with command ships ...However CCP gave their paying player base the benefit of the doubt , because they knew the importance of player retention ...have a nice day sir
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
644
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Posted - 2015.03.12 20:33:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
What did you have a skill that could be ranked up with no unlocks and no bonus? Your game is quite confusing to new players and now you mock them?
Molon Labe CEO
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1497
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Posted - 2015.03.12 21:57:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus. Why did you have a skill that could be ranked up with no unlocks and no bonus? Your game is quite complicated to some players and now you mock them?
Mhmm. CCP mentality.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Ralden Caster
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
152
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Posted - 2015.03.12 22:03:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:John Psi wrote:Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Working as intended
I don't even tank anymore; why should I be obliged to have my SP leeched?
"Death by Carbonation"
-Quafe weapons
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
903
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Posted - 2015.03.12 22:04:00 -
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-900 unallocated sp... Just as I intended. Specced everything I wanted before the patch, lol.
Thanks for the loan. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
592
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Posted - 2015.03.13 03:30:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:John Psi wrote:Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Working as intended
:D Would be cool to add these changes to the patch notes too (in client) so people like this don't come to forums and scream at you at all times.
Story of your life
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Jade Dragonis
GRIM MERCS
426
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Posted - 2015.03.13 09:42:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
Because we believed CCP when they said it would be usefull in the future. So I invested into it as a precurser to the Proto tanks.
So for being forward thinking I am now being punished?
Ouch. 
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Operative Mechcondrid
New Age Empire.
1
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Posted - 2015.03.13 10:20:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:John Psi wrote:Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Working as intended
So you intended to **** over those who had almost every hav skill to at least 3 ?
I now have a negative of 800k+ in skill points because of this idiocy.
It would have been one thing to increase the skill cost multiplier and removed the skills the char didn't have enough for in a linear progression, but putting people into sp debt is bullshit. You have essentially made people in my situation have to PAY you to fix YOUR screw up!!! That or play for 2 or 3 weeks if not more just to not be in a position of being stuck and unable to upgrade or change any skills for whatever period of time it takes that person to get out of sp debt.
If you guys insist on not fixing this properly, then you need to give those who you put in major so debt a free code for a skill tree reset at the absolute minimum. |
Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1594
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Posted - 2015.03.13 12:22:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:John Psi wrote:Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Working as intended
This response worries me a bit, maybe you should take a break from the forums? The trolls seem to be rubbing off on you.
There are a variety of reasons that players may have skilled into HAV operation, including the mistaken impression that a skill labeled HAV operation must have some benefit to skill to level 5 if it is possible to do so.
The real question is why take the antagonistic approach?
Skill changes have been made in the past, and skill books and SP have been refunded. It is possible and it is one fair course of action. The other being to grandfather in people who have already skilled to level 5. Deducting SP from people is an option, but it is an ex post facto approach, which is generally frowned upon in civilized society.
Please consider that not all of your players are trying to game the system, some may just be confused or make mistakes.
Hello, is this thing on?
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Operative Mechcondrid
New Age Empire.
2
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Posted - 2015.03.13 12:40:00 -
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Outlaw OneZero wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:John Psi wrote:Before hotfix ECHO i invest SP to HAV Operation skill, have around 2kk unnalocated SP left.
After hotfix my green pool automatically reduced on account of this skill.
GJ, CCP! )))
Working as intended This response worries me a bit, maybe you should take a break from the forums? The trolls seem to be rubbing off on you. There are a variety of reasons that players may have skilled into HAV operation, including the mistaken impression that a skill labeled HAV operation must have some benefit to skill to level 5 if it is possible to do so. The real question is why take the antagonistic approach? Skill changes have been made in the past, and skill books and SP have been refunded. It is possible and it is one fair course of action. The other being to grandfather in people who have already skilled to level 5. Deducting SP from people is an option, but it is an ex post facto approach, which is generally frowned upon in civilized society. Please consider that not all of your players are trying to game the system, some may just be confused or make mistakes.
The part that gets me in a twist the most is that they ever thought this would be a fair solution. Its like they are saying " hey we want this skill to cost more but since you already paid the old sp cost we'll just take the remainder out of your account, if you dont have it then oh well" its tantamount to holding a character hostage in a lot of cases; such as mine with the near 850k sp debt.
And as for being "generally frowned upon in civilized society" no its actuallly illegal in most societies and if this was a bussiness selling a product i could actually sue them
Also as for the Dev being antagonistic it might help if they hired someone that actually understands and speaks english fluently to mediate between the community and (what's left of) the Dev team, because just from the few post from him in this forum that I've seen he doesn't necessarily have the best grasp of how English is written |
Proto Annihilator
16 Vandals
687
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Posted - 2015.03.13 13:05:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
The in depth tutorial on skill progression offered to new players.
World of hurt
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Outlaw OneZero
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1594
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Posted - 2015.03.13 19:43:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
Why was it possible to skill Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonuses?
Why does Vehicle Command have no bonuses?
CCP Rattati wrote:Working as intended
So I guess this is the final decision on the matter?
Disappointing...
To be clear, it doesn't matter to me at all, I only had level 1 so I was able to easily absorb the extra SP cost. I just don't feel its the right way to go about this.
Hello, is this thing on?
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Minion Max
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2015.03.13 19:50:00 -
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Yes I have Level 5 Command and was working on the other levels for all Turrets, most are level 2 and 3. I went from +117,00 SP to -930,000. It is not worth the next month of what time I can play to get back to 0 SP.
CCP Rattati wrote:Why did someone have Vehicle Command to 5 with no unlocks and no bonus.
Semper Fi.
Cpl, 87-95
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