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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:28:00 -
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Let's say I'm in a squad of 6 in a domination for simplicity.
1) My squad takes the point and is eventually overwhelmed. The objective is lost.
2) Check map and find over abundance of vehicle and/or turret users as well as snipers/roof campers
3) Probe for weak spots to re-take objective
4) Fail to keep momentum necessary to take objective
At this point if we aren't already in proto, I'm betting it starts to happen here. Unless our squad plus a few honest, hardworking blueberries make up for the 8-10 window lickers the game is lost.
To me, I can't fathom why someone would have an issue with using proto to balance against the lack of participation from random teammates. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:31:00 -
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"DO WHATEVER THE **** YOU WANNA DO" Hodge Twins
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
1422
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:32:00 -
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Proto is always in fashion. Tell the cyber bullies to stick it.
"Haters gonna hate
Laggers gonna lag"
-KTB
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
3553
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:37:00 -
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It's acceptable to use potato gear when apple gear just won't cut it, or you have saved enough crisps that you won't go broke using it.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
3299
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:38:00 -
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Whenever really in my opinion.
People will complain about everything. When I die, despite pretty much exclusively using Prototype Scout if not using Basic Logistics, and I see the person that killed me was using Advanced/Prototype weaponry I instinctively go into my little rant about "Ohh, GOOD FOR YOU! You can use Prototype weapons!" before my brain can override itself. Just so used to running Basic Raven suit for so long I guess.
When most people bring up Protostomping, the anger is misspent on Prototype gear and more on the fact that the game is balanced in a way that 4-6 people working together can completely dominate 16 random people, at least in my experience. Just look at the bottom of the score compared to the top at the end of any match.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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hold that
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
699
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:40:00 -
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didn't read your post because the answer to thread title is: ALWAYS
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:40:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:"DO WHATEVER THE **** YOU WANNA DO" Hodge Twins
This is what I'll do, but this is just for discussion |
zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:40:00 -
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Prototype is never acceptable. Check your privilege.
On a serious note, just run prototype whenever you decide you can afford it / lose it. I ran through half of all of my officer light weapons (mainly assault rifles, and thales), just cause I could. It spices up the game a bit. It did for me anyway.
CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division
My soul, your beats!
Enemy to many; equal to none.
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1140
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:49:00 -
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When ever I feel like running it, but I also run solo so there's that.
/Faceplam
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Foo Fighting
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
202
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:56:00 -
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Whenever there isn't a MCC event going on. |
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6642
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:57:00 -
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When there's 3 red objectives, 1 blue, and 1 still yellow because there's a huge fight over there. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:59:00 -
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Foo Fighting wrote:Whenever there isn't a MCC event going on.
In the scenario I described above, more clones are going to die if a good squad is bringing proto. If they don't it's a redline match with 20 minutes of minimal deaths.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
1013
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:20:00 -
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Two things determine when proto is acceptable.
1) you have the sp to use it
2) you have the isk to use it
Everything else is irrelevant
Robin Williams endorses this corp
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Haerr
Nos Nothi
2477
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:37:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:When is photon gear acceptable? Any time the game allows you to play in proto. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:39:00 -
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I was not expecting these responses. I guess the whiners don't get on the forums until later. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:43:00 -
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Yea just use what ever man. I got my ass stomped by some proto squads the other night, the worst stompage I have had in a long time in a domination, BUT I managed to get off a hack once against the buggers!
The truth is, you will never get better in this game unless you are going up against the best players in their proto. Yea it sucks sometimes being solo and getting smashed by 6+ man proto squads but it is the game. Accept it, learn from it, try not to rage and pop some proto in your cheap scrubby suits! 
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
SCV Ready!
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
169
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:44:00 -
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If you have to ask then you are not running it enough.
MOAARRR PROTO |
Genral69 death
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
102
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:48:00 -
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I say if your willing to lose it. If I only have 1 officer gun left I won't use it |
Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7917
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:49:00 -
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I used to run it only in PC and fw, can't get in fw now so I've started testing fits in pubs from time to time. Well usually for a few deaths before swapping to ADV anyway, if I use the freedom too much I can't put her down....
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1385
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Posted - 2015.03.11 19:01:00 -
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Speaking only for myself, Proto is only acceptable in "competitive" game modes like PC or FW. Proto in pubs is pure **** waving, that's all it is. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have ran a Proto fit in a pub match.
That said, Meta Level lockouts will cause this game to implode; because it will both fix and destroy this game simultaneously. I am looking forward to Meta Level lockouts. 
Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
644
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Posted - 2015.03.11 19:01:00 -
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Personally, I run basic gear to give myself a challenge. However if my team is getting stomped I go to Adv. If that doesn't help then they face the wrath of a Proto Sentinel with Officer weapons!
Their blood and hatred fuels my suit as I tear them limb from limb to satisfy the unquenchable thirst of the all mighty blood god!
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
102
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Posted - 2015.03.11 19:05:00 -
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It was you that spawned on the point when you where surrounded 8 to 1 . You got 1 kill with a gastuns then got put down instantly lol. That was funny to watch and I picked the guy straight back up you killed |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8390
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Posted - 2015.03.11 20:04:00 -
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It kind of reminds me of many sports games. In the past few months, certain games have made national news in America because of basketball games where a high school team played full court defense with its starters for a full half despite being up 50 points. I think the game ended with a score of 126 to 10 or some nonsense.
People were indignant, and rightfully so.
There is a point at which you have to look at the progress of a game and say, maybe we should put out the second and third string, this is getting out of hand.
The point at which you get there depends on the game, but that is up to the individual.
Also, when people who proto stomp pubs start whining about meta locked game modes, just remember that you brought this on yourself.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3477
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Posted - 2015.03.11 20:32:00 -
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"When is proto acceptable?"
Whenever said proto user thinks it's acceptable. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17585
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Posted - 2015.03.11 20:42:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Personally, I run basic gear to give myself a challenge. However if my team is getting stomped I go to Adv. If that doesn't help then they face the wrath of a Proto Sentinel with Officer weapons! Their blood and hatred fuels my suit as I tear them limb from limb to satisfy the unquenchable thirst of the all mighty blood god!
Khorne is a *****.
Do it for the freaky Daemon ladies Slaanesh has on check.
**** FOR THE **** GOD!
"Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs." Pokey Dravon on Spkr4thDead
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
406
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Posted - 2015.03.11 20:46:00 -
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People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want?
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
479
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:01:00 -
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When we have matchmaking that pits proto against proto so the scrubs can't pretend to be competitive and the truly competitive can show themselves.
Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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Loyal Glasses
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
50
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:16:00 -
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A proto suit is fine but a proto squad must be Hunted down, Humiliated, and Destroyed!
"Glasses of the Loyal Variety"
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8391
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:44:00 -
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Squagga wrote:People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want?
Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub.
Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped.
Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1578
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:48:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Let's say I'm in a squad of 6 in a domination for simplicity.
1) My squad takes the point and is eventually overwhelmed. The objective is lost.
2) Check map and find over abundance of vehicle and/or turret users as well as snipers/roof campers
3) Probe for weak spots to re-take objective
4) Fail to keep momentum necessary to take objective
At this point if we aren't already in proto, I'm betting it starts to happen here. Unless our squad plus a few honest, hardworking blueberries make up for the 8-10 window lickers the game is lost.
To me, I can't fathom why someone would have an issue with using proto to balance against the lack of participation from random teammates.
No one can tell you exactly when something is fair or good. Are you being challenged? Does the other team have a chance of winning and a reason to play? If we want good balanced matches then all of us as players have to continually ask ourselves those questions and adjust accordingly, sometimes that means we get to bring out the best gear and sometimes it means we run around with two militia sidearms.
Yes, there are those who say that they shouldn't worry about how fair the game is and they can do whatever they like and it is good. You always have those people that believe if a system allows you to act in a way that it is right to act that way. They are the ones who force us to have strict restrictions on things.
Because, that's why.
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