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Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6221	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:28:00 - [1] - Quote Let's say I'm in a squad of 6 in a domination for simplicity. 1) My squad takes the point and is eventually overwhelmed. The objective is lost. 2) Check map and find over abundance of vehicle and/or turret users as well as snipers/roof campers 3) Probe for weak spots to re-take objective 4) Fail to keep momentum necessary to take objective At this point if we aren't already in proto, I'm betting it starts to happen here. Unless our squad plus a few honest, hardworking blueberries make up for the 8-10 window lickers the game is lost. To me, I can't fathom why someone would have an issue with using proto to balance against the lack of participation from random teammates.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5838	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:31:00 - [2] - Quote "DO WHATEVER THE **** YOU WANNA DO" Hodge Twins (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1422	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:32:00 - [3] - Quote Proto is always in fashion. Tell the cyber bullies to stick it. "Haters gonna hate Laggers gonna lag" -KTB "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3553	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:37:00 - [4] - Quote It's acceptable to use potato gear when apple gear just won't cut it, or you have saved enough crisps that you won't go broke using it. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3299	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:38:00 - [5] - Quote Whenever really in my opinion. People will complain about everything. When I die, despite pretty much exclusively using Prototype Scout if not using Basic Logistics, and I see the person that killed me was using Advanced/Prototype weaponry I instinctively go into my little rant about "Ohh, GOOD FOR YOU! You can use Prototype weapons!" before my brain can override itself. Just so used to running Basic Raven suit for so long I guess. When most people bring up Protostomping, the anger is misspent on Prototype gear and more on the fact that the game is balanced in a way that 4-6 people working together can completely dominate 16 random people, at least in my experience. Just look at the bottom of the score compared to the top at the end of any match. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 699	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:40:00 - [6] - Quote didn't read your post because the answer to thread title is: ALWAYS
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6221	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:40:00 - [7] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: "DO WHATEVER THE **** YOU WANNA DO" Hodge Twins This is what I'll do, but this is just for discussion
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 383	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:40:00 - [8] - Quote Prototype is never acceptable. Check your privilege. On a serious note, just run prototype whenever you decide you can afford it / lose it. I ran through half of all of my officer light weapons (mainly assault rifles, and thales), just cause I could. It spices up the game a bit. It did for me anyway. CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1140	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:49:00 - [9] - Quote When ever I feel like running it, but I also run solo so there's that. /Faceplam
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:56:00 - [10] - Quote Whenever there isn't a MCC event going on.

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6642	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:57:00 - [11] - Quote When there's 3 red objectives, 1 blue, and 1 still yellow because there's a huge fight over there.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6221	Posted - 2015.03.11 17:59:00 - [12] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: Whenever there isn't a MCC event going on. In the scenario I described above, more clones are going to die if a good squad is bringing proto. If they don't it's a redline match with 20 minutes of minimal deaths.
robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 1013	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:20:00 - [13] - Quote Two things determine when proto is acceptable. 1) you have the sp to use it 2) you have the isk to use it Everything else is irrelevant Robin Williams endorses this corp
Haerr Nos Nothi 2477	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:37:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: When is photon gear acceptable? Any time the game allows you to play in proto.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6222	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:39:00 - [15] - Quote I was not expecting these responses. I guess the whiners don't get on the forums until later.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3202	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:43:00 - [16] - Quote Yea just use what ever man. I got my ass stomped by some proto squads the other night, the worst stompage I have had in a long time in a domination, BUT I managed to get off a hack once against the buggers! The truth is, you will never get better in this game unless you are going up against the best players in their proto. Yea it sucks sometimes being solo and getting smashed by 6+ man proto squads but it is the game. Accept it, learn from it, try not to rage and pop some proto in your cheap scrubby suits! Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 169	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:44:00 - [17] - Quote If you have to ask then you are not running it enough. MOAARRR PROTO
Genral69 death Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:48:00 - [18] - Quote I say if your willing to lose it. If I only have 1 officer gun left I won't use it
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7917	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:49:00 - [19] - Quote I used to run it only in PC and fw, can't get in fw now so I've started testing fits in pubs from time to time. Well usually for a few deaths before swapping to ADV anyway, if I use the freedom too much I can't put her down.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1385	Posted - 2015.03.11 19:01:00 - [20] - Quote Speaking only for myself, Proto is only acceptable in "competitive" game modes like PC or FW. Proto in pubs is pure **** waving, that's all it is. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have ran a Proto fit in a pub match. That said, Meta Level lockouts will cause this game to implode; because it will both fix and destroy this game simultaneously. I am looking forward to Meta Level lockouts. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7

Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 644	Posted - 2015.03.11 19:01:00 - [21] - Quote Personally, I run basic gear to give myself a challenge. However if my team is getting stomped I go to Adv. If that doesn't help then they face the wrath of a Proto Sentinel with Officer weapons! Their blood and hatred fuels my suit as I tear them limb from limb to satisfy the unquenchable thirst of the all mighty blood god! I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
Genral69 death Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2015.03.11 19:05:00 - [22] - Quote It was you that spawned on the point when you where surrounded 8 to 1 . You got 1 kill with a gastuns then got put down instantly lol. That was funny to watch and I picked the guy straight back up you killed
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8390	Posted - 2015.03.11 20:04:00 - [23] - Quote It kind of reminds me of many sports games. In the past few months, certain games have made national news in America because of basketball games where a high school team played full court defense with its starters for a full half despite being up 50 points. I think the game ended with a score of 126 to 10 or some nonsense. People were indignant, and rightfully so. There is a point at which you have to look at the progress of a game and say, maybe we should put out the second and third string, this is getting out of hand. The point at which you get there depends on the game, but that is up to the individual. Also, when people who proto stomp pubs start whining about meta locked game modes, just remember that you brought this on yourself. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3477	Posted - 2015.03.11 20:32:00 - [24] - Quote "When is proto acceptable?" Whenever said proto user thinks it's acceptable.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17585	Posted - 2015.03.11 20:42:00 - [25] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Personally, I run basic gear to give myself a challenge. However if my team is getting stomped I go to Adv. If that doesn't help then they face the wrath of a Proto Sentinel with Officer weapons! Their blood and hatred fuels my suit as I tear them limb from limb to satisfy the unquenchable thirst of the all mighty blood god! Khorne is a ***. Do it for the freaky Daemon ladies Slaanesh has on check. FOR THE ** GOD! "Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs." Pokey Dravon on Spkr4thDead
Squagga The State Protectorate 406	Posted - 2015.03.11 20:46:00 - [26] - Quote People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Reloading, the silent killer.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 479	Posted - 2015.03.11 21:01:00 - [27] - Quote When we have matchmaking that pits proto against proto so the scrubs can't pretend to be competitive and the truly competitive can show themselves. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Loyal Glasses G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 50	Posted - 2015.03.11 21:16:00 - [28] - Quote A proto suit is fine but a proto squad must be Hunted down, Humiliated, and Destroyed! "Glasses of the Loyal Variety"
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8391	Posted - 2015.03.11 21:44:00 - [29] - Quote Squagga wrote: People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub. Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped. Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1578	Posted - 2015.03.11 21:48:00 - [30] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Let's say I'm in a squad of 6 in a domination for simplicity. 1) My squad takes the point and is eventually overwhelmed. The objective is lost. 2) Check map and find over abundance of vehicle and/or turret users as well as snipers/roof campers 3) Probe for weak spots to re-take objective 4) Fail to keep momentum necessary to take objective At this point if we aren't already in proto, I'm betting it starts to happen here. Unless our squad plus a few honest, hardworking blueberries make up for the 8-10 window lickers the game is lost. To me, I can't fathom why someone would have an issue with using proto to balance against the lack of participation from random teammates. No one can tell you exactly when something is fair or good. Are you being challenged? Does the other team have a chance of winning and a reason to play? If we want good balanced matches then all of us as players have to continually ask ourselves those questions and adjust accordingly, sometimes that means we get to bring out the best gear and sometimes it means we run around with two militia sidearms. Yes, there are those who say that they shouldn't worry about how fair the game is and they can do whatever they like and it is good. You always have those people that believe if a system allows you to act in a way that it is right to act that way. They are the ones who force us to have strict restrictions on things. Because, that's why.

Squagga The State Protectorate 408	Posted - 2015.03.11 21:58:00 - [31] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub. Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped. Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it. Yeah, I agree. But people shouldn't have to defend themselves for playing the game the way they want to. Nobody is complaining about people using BPOs and that ruining the game. That battle academy thing should be extended a lot. It only last like two missions and then the new guys are "out in the galaxy" with little to prepare them for the terrors New Eden has to offer. Reloading, the silent killer.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1428	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:01:00 - [32] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub. Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped. Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it. I can empathize with both sides of the argument. On one hand, players should be able to run whatever they want. After all, it takes time and effort to accumulate the SP to gain access to the top tier gear. Plus, there are limited venues to run said gear. I also understand that newer players with less experience and SP will not enjoy getting their teeth kicked in every match, and the repercussions of this might be them leaving the game. This negatively affects us all because we the players, ARE the content. I do however, believe the responsibility falls on CCP to address this issue via whatever fix they deem best, both from a practical perspective and realistic one. To expect the player base to pull punches to help increase player retention is never going to happen. We are the end user. If CCP wants player retention to improve, the onus is on them. Any other approach is unrealistic and a moot point. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Nirwanda Vaughns 1537	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:18:00 - [33] - Quote In PC, proto 100% the time in pubs is for scrubs n wusses and i've noticed its actually making some of the 'big' name guys a little soft. people get used to the hitpoints and the power so lose thier edge. BPOs in pubs keeps you on your toes Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
xavier zor 0uter.Heaven 803	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:19:00 - [34] - Quote whenever the fu*k we feel like it retired stabbed musturd, duna, radar, tibs replying -í° -£-û -í°
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8397	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:27:00 - [35] - Quote Squagga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub. Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped. Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it. Yeah, I agree. But people shouldn't have to defend themselves for playing the game the way they want to. Nobody is complaining about people using BPOs and that ruining the game. That battle academy thing should be extended a lot. It only last like two missions and then the new guys are "out in the galaxy" with little to prepare them for the terrors New Eden has to offer. So you just agreed proto stomping is a problem, then condoned the people who do it... I guess I am a realist. It would be nice if we could have a game where people who want to pull out their proto suits and play as hard as they want would have a viable game mode in which to do it. I do not have a problem with the idea of people using proto suits and trying their hardest. What I can't understand is ignoring the real circumstances and the real ramifications. We do not have a game where such conditions exist, and never will if the game can't grow. If people want to shoot themselves in the foot that is fine, but they really don't have a right to complain that their foot hurts and is bleeding after they do it, then blame someone else for simply handing them the gun. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Assert Dominance Negative-Feedback 990	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:45:00 - [36] - Quote proto is never acceptable, only scrubs with no gun game run proto. i hate tryhards who think they are so good with their proto gear. Fk those Awholes. why do guys have so much isk anyway? they cant possibly go proto every game. So unfair. All those damage mods and armor... people that wear proto clearly arent good and wouldnt last a minute in cod. straps on Assault gk.0, picks up Balac's AR and leaves 6 man proto squad errday.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 426	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:47:00 - [37] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: Whenever there isn't a MCC event going on. In the scenario I described above, more clones are going to die if a good squad is bringing proto. If they don't it's a redline match with 20 minutes of minimal deaths. More proto leads to less redlining? ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:53:00 - [38] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I was not expecting these responses. I guess the whiners don't get on the forums until later. Hmm? Just got my Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle here. Felt real bad when the first guy I killed was a Caldari Medic TritusX
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17594	Posted - 2015.03.11 23:03:00 - [39] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub. Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped. Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it. Yeah, I agree. But people shouldn't have to defend themselves for playing the game the way they want to. Nobody is complaining about people using BPOs and that ruining the game. That battle academy thing should be extended a lot. It only last like two missions and then the new guys are "out in the galaxy" with little to prepare them for the terrors New Eden has to offer. So you just agreed proto stomping is a problem, then condoned the people who do it... I guess I am a realist. It would be nice if we could have a game where people who want to pull out their proto suits and play as hard as they want would have a viable game mode in which to do it. I do not have a problem with the idea of people using proto suits and trying their hardest. What I can't understand is ignoring the real circumstances and the real ramifications. We do not have a game where such conditions exist, and never will if the game can't grow. If people want to shoot themselves in the foot that is fine, but they really don't have a right to complain that their foot hurts and is bleeding after they do it, then blame someone else for simply handing them the gun. It's a problem but no one should ever expect their opposition in online games to be responsible for their personal enjoyment of the game, it is firstly unreasonable, and secondly likely to conflict with their enjoyment of the game. In competition I am a firm believer that no one should pander to another teams ineffectualness as it does nothing to encourage them to do better or gives them a false impression of their own capabilities, though this is only in a competitive setting. Not sure why people are so discouraged by death and loss in this game where it should galvanise them to look at their own playstyle and take the knowledge from the previous death into account when attempting something again with the intent to go and and get some goddamn revenge. If that means stepping up to Proto then they need to step up not whine about how they refuse to use it or some such other nonsense. You personally are responsible for your own enjoyment of a game, just as another player is responsible for their own. Despite this fostering a positive gaming experience in non competitive matches is something that should be looked at. *Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1537	Posted - 2015.03.11 23:05:00 - [40] - Quote I will admit though. earlier i ran one of my EXP Burst AR's on a proto gal logi (was the only type i had from strongboxes) and damn that thing shreds reddots i came up against some unfortunate fella in an advanced caldari assault and it just melted so quickly the teammate next to him just turned and ran like hell int he opposite direction. i can see the amusement in proto at times but i'd soon get bored of it. its like back in the SNES days when you'd have that one kid at school who'd buy a -ú40/$50 game and put it straight into his Action Replay/Game Genie when they got home and put infinite lives and infinite health into it. they're the type of guys that proto stomp all the time Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner

Stupid Blueberry The Darkhunter Society 1035	Posted - 2015.03.11 23:38:00 - [41] - Quote Squagga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub. Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped. Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it. Yeah, I agree. But people shouldn't have to defend themselves for playing the game the way they want to. Nobody is complaining about people using BPOs and that ruining the game. That battle academy thing should be extended a lot. It only last like two missions and then the new guys are "out in the galaxy" with little to prepare them for the terrors New Eden has to offer. People DO complain about BPOs Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen. Blueberry smokin' that crack y'all
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8404	Posted - 2015.03.11 23:40:00 - [42] - Quote True Adamance wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Squagga wrote: People are always complaining about this. It's actually pretty annoring at this point. Who cares? Why do people have to defend themselves for playing the way they want? Because it ruins the game for others? Particularly new players who don't know anything about the game, and their first experience out of the Academy is likely a proto stomping squad in a pub. Some of us actually want the game to stick around, and that can't happen when the current NPE is Academy to being proto stomped. Heck, even many vets are getting tired of it. Yeah, I agree. But people shouldn't have to defend themselves for playing the game the way they want to. Nobody is complaining about people using BPOs and that ruining the game. That battle academy thing should be extended a lot. It only last like two missions and then the new guys are "out in the galaxy" with little to prepare them for the terrors New Eden has to offer. So you just agreed proto stomping is a problem, then condoned the people who do it... I guess I am a realist. It would be nice if we could have a game where people who want to pull out their proto suits and play as hard as they want would have a viable game mode in which to do it. I do not have a problem with the idea of people using proto suits and trying their hardest. What I can't understand is ignoring the real circumstances and the real ramifications. We do not have a game where such conditions exist, and never will if the game can't grow. If people want to shoot themselves in the foot that is fine, but they really don't have a right to complain that their foot hurts and is bleeding after they do it, then blame someone else for simply handing them the gun. It's a problem but no one should ever expect their opposition in online games to be responsible for their personal enjoyment of the game, it is firstly unreasonable, and secondly likely to conflict with their enjoyment of the game. In competition I am a firm believer that no one should pander to another teams ineffectualness as it does nothing to encourage them to do better or gives them a false impression of their own capabilities, though this is only in a competitive setting. Not sure why people are so discouraged by death and loss in this game where it should galvanise them to look at their own playstyle and take the knowledge from the previous death into account when attempting something again with the intent to go and and get some goddamn revenge. If that means stepping up to Proto then they need to step up not whine about how they refuse to use it or some such other nonsense. You personally are responsible for your own enjoyment of a game, just as another player is responsible for their own. Despite this fostering a positive gaming experience in non competitive matches is something that should be looked at. I would agree if: A: This weren't a multiplayer game in which the play of others directly influences the enjoyment of the game. If there were a PvE element like in Eve where people who do not want to play against others competitively existed. B: We weren't talking Pubs, but we are. Pubs aren't where the competition is supposed to be. If the only people intended to play this game were competitive players, this game would go down in flames, particularly since this game is F2P. Anyone complaining about Proto suits in FW and PC is out of touch. C: People didn't play for any number of reasons, including casually, but they do. Not everyone wants to play at a high level. I like bowling, but it doesn't mean I want to be in the PBA each time I go out. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17594	Posted - 2015.03.11 23:55:00 - [43] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I would agree if: A: This weren't a multiplayer game in which the play of others directly influences the enjoyment of the game. If there were a PvE element like in Eve where people who do not want to play against others competitively existed. B: We weren't talking Pubs, but we are. Pubs aren't where the competition is supposed to be. If the only people intended to play this game were competitive players, this game would go down in flames, particularly since this game is F2P. Anyone complaining about Proto suits in FW and PC is out of touch. C: People didn't play for any number of reasons, including casually, but they do. Not everyone wants to play at a high level. I like bowling, but it doesn't mean I want to be in the PBA each time I go out. It's precisely because of A that I have this mindset. When we engage in PvP which currently is the only game mode I cannot be responsible for your enjoyment of the game. My goal is simply to win, or get a lot of kills, or have fun doing what I do. For what reason would you expect me to compromise the enjoyment of the game so that you all might find some enjoyment? To what extent should I expect you to compromise your enjoyment to pander to me. Should I not use my HAV? Should I expect you not to us AV? Do you expect me not to shoot back or move you you can get a kill? Should I expect you to present yourself in the open so that I can farm you for kills? No. The game itself is fundamentally about conflict and people can always find things to while about it something doesn't go their way, myself included. However as there is no non competitive element of the game I would suggest that players have to accept that they are currently in a setting where competitive players usually are found or thrive and need to accept this as the game as it stands now. Pub wise I guess you are right. I'm personally not very interest in pubs when I play them so I have no drive to win, just there to fight tanks and maul infantry. As for your last point I can accept that but that does not mean you can expect your opposition to hold the same values as you do. It's New Eden, competition, power, wealth, that's what it all about regardless of whether or not you personally are a competitive individual. Yes you can find yourself a place in Null Sec and be a care bear if you wish....that won't stop PvP oriented players from finding you, killing you, and continuing to do so. AKA Low Sec ganking. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8405	Posted - 2015.03.12 00:17:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I would agree if: A: This weren't a multiplayer game in which the play of others directly influences the enjoyment of the game. If there were a PvE element like in Eve where people who do not want to play against others competitively existed. B: We weren't talking Pubs, but we are. Pubs aren't where the competition is supposed to be. If the only people intended to play this game were competitive players, this game would go down in flames, particularly since this game is F2P. Anyone complaining about Proto suits in FW and PC is out of touch. C: People didn't play for any number of reasons, including casually, but they do. Not everyone wants to play at a high level. I like bowling, but it doesn't mean I want to be in the PBA each time I go out. It's precisely because of A that I have this mindset. When we engage in PvP which currently is the only game mode I cannot be responsible for your enjoyment of the game. My goal is simply to win, or get a lot of kills, or have fun doing what I do. For what reason would you expect me to compromise the enjoyment of the game so that you all might find some enjoyment? To what extent should I expect you to compromise your enjoyment to pander to me. Should I not use my HAV? Should I expect you not to us AV? Do you expect me not to shoot back or move you you can get a kill? Should I expect you to present yourself in the open so that I can farm you for kills? No. The game itself is fundamentally about conflict and people can always find things to while about it something doesn't go their way, myself included. However as there is no non competitive element of the game I would suggest that players have to accept that they are currently in a setting where competitive players usually are found or thrive and need to accept this as the game as it stands now. Pub wise I guess you are right. I'm personally not very interest in pubs when I play them so I have no drive to win, just there to fight tanks and maul infantry. As for your last point I can accept that but that does not mean you can expect your opposition to hold the same values as you do. It's New Eden, competition, power, wealth, that's what it all about regardless of whether or not you personally are a competitive individual. Yes you can find yourself a place in Null Sec and be a care bear if you wish....that won't stop PvP oriented players from finding you, killing you, and continuing to do so. AKA Low Sec ganking. The problem is, if you accept all of the above, you simply accept the gradual reduction of Dust numbers, until only vets remain in such low and unsustainable numbers that the game get shut down for good. Choosing to continue to use proto gear in proto squads in pub matches when it isn't necessary against new and/or casual players is counter productive to Dust growth. Fighting for proto stomping rights in pubs under the current environment is mutually exclusive to fighting for Dust's growth and long term existence. You can't force people to enjoy being proto stomped, and you can't enjoy proto stomping long term if people choose to leave. Its continue proto stomping and enjoying ruining the game for others til there is not enough players left to keep the game around OR temporarily change that mind set when necessary so the game can grow and you can ultimately find good, fun, competitive games outside pub matches because the player base has grown enough to allow for that to happen. TL;DR My main point is that there are always consequences to actions, intended or no. Proto stomping in pubs has far greater negative consequences to the game than positive. If people continue to choose to do this, they choose the consequences and can't b!tch and moan when they break something and point fingers at someone else for the choices they made. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3143	Posted - 2015.03.12 00:18:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I would agree if: A: This weren't a multiplayer game in which the play of others directly influences the enjoyment of the game. If there were a PvE element like in Eve where people who do not want to play against others competitively existed. B: We weren't talking Pubs, but we are. Pubs aren't where the competition is supposed to be. If the only people intended to play this game were competitive players, this game would go down in flames, particularly since this game is F2P. Anyone complaining about Proto suits in FW and PC is out of touch. C: People didn't play for any number of reasons, including casually, but they do. Not everyone wants to play at a high level. I like bowling, but it doesn't mean I want to be in the PBA each time I go out. It's precisely because of A that I have this mindset. When we engage in PvP which currently is the only game mode I cannot be responsible for your enjoyment of the game. My goal is simply to win, or get a lot of kills, or have fun doing what I do. For what reason would you expect me to compromise the enjoyment of the game so that you all might find some enjoyment? To what extent should I expect you to compromise your enjoyment to pander to me. Should I not use my HAV? Should I expect you not to us AV? Do you expect me not to shoot back or move you you can get a kill? Should I expect you to present yourself in the open so that I can farm you for kills? No. The game itself is fundamentally about conflict and people can always find things to while about it something doesn't go their way, myself included. However as there is no non competitive element of the game I would suggest that players have to accept that they are currently in a setting where competitive players usually are found or thrive and need to accept this as the game as it stands now. Pub wise I guess you are right. I'm personally not very interest in pubs when I play them so I have no drive to win, just there to fight tanks and maul infantry. As for your last point I can accept that but that does not mean you can expect your opposition to hold the same values as you do. It's New Eden, competition, power, wealth, that's what it all about regardless of whether or not you personally are a competitive individual. Yes you can find yourself a place in Null Sec and be a care bear if you wish....that won't stop PvP oriented players from finding you, killing you, and continuing to do so. AKA Low Sec ganking. KDR matchmaking renders this thread moot. KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.
Jebus McKing Nos Nothi 1699	Posted - 2015.03.12 00:24:00 - [46] - Quote Stoop foolin urselfs. Yall no yall only bring prto to pubz fo stat paddin. U don need prto to win pubz. No respect fo prto srubs. Jebus hates scans.
Loyal Glasses G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 50	Posted - 2015.03.12 01:36:00 - [47] - Quote Soon the meta lock will arrive an maybe help with this problem till then we must fight the good fight against proto squads. o7 p.s. apex suits are fine. "Glasses of the Loyal Variety"
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6231	Posted - 2015.03.12 02:36:00 - [48] - Quote Loyal Glasses wrote: Soon the meta lock will arrive an maybe help with this problem till then we must fight the good fight against proto squads. o7 p.s. apex suits are fine. Then the QQ will be about ADV scrubs
Squagga The State Protectorate 411	Posted - 2015.03.12 02:59:00 - [49] - Quote I do believe that this game suffers from a lack of new players. More new players, more fun. I do agree that when new players arrive here and get proto stomped, they don't want to stay. It's a very sharp learning curve, and it takes a long time to get your ideal loadout, to where you want it to be. Meanwhile the newberries are constnatly getting stomped, to try and achieve these goals. Which makes it so they don't want to, or not worth it for them to stay. I also believe that CCP enjoys this, and encourages this. I also believe that there are vets out there that will complain about their, either way. KDR Matchmaking was actually a pretty good suggestion, but I think a better idea, would be to get those game modes we were promised. Such as PvE, something about a drone swarm .. whatever. So newer players have the opportunity to raise their gear and experience and then fight the good fight.I also firmly believe that the BA should be extended. Have I proto stomped before? Of course. Would I do it again? Maybe. But as "unfair" to the new players as it is to get proto stomped. I think it's even more unfair for people to say, you can't use that gear that you worked for and make concious decision about what skillbooks you spent your sp on and got your loadout exactly the way you want it, sometime painstakingly. Again, I do agree we need more players. I also think that the "new" game modes, would really help everything. Plus me being a vet and pretty good at this game, would like to play some PvE in this game also. Reloading, the silent killer.


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