For better matchmaking, the already planned meta level lockout system will be good. Older players with low meta suits will be tough, but not insurmountable and I feel it will also make balancing the game easier. Are you talking about an alternate method or supplementing the new meta-level based method with your own ideas?

The issue here becomes squads and what the squad multiplier should be.

Also I am pretty sure that is exactly what MU does only a different formula. I have not seen the exact formula.

For better matchmaking, the already planned meta level lockout system will be good. Older players with low meta suits will be tough, but not insurmountable and I feel it will also make balancing the game easier. Are you talking about an alternate method or supplementing the new meta-level based method with your own ideas?

I'll get to working on a squad modifier.

Even if MU does something almost exactly like this, I think my numbers are much more well thought out and would produce a better personal ranking estimate.

Meta level lockouts only divide the player base more. They have the potential to be good as long as it does not mess up search times too bad.

I also have a feeling the trolls of the game will be taking their full core skills on stacked damage mod suit with mlt assault rail rifle and trolling newbies in low meta matches.

I'll get to working on a squad modifier.

Even if MU does something almost exactly like this, I think my numbers are much more well thought out and would produce a better personal ranking estimate.


My idea does not conflict with the new meta-level lockout that's coming. What I want is to use my formula instead of what the current MU system uses.

Erm, DMG mods raise the meta of a suit..

Yes but lower level damage mods raise it by less giving you the ability to hang around lower meta level matches.

Yes... But they increase the damage by less... Are you trolling?

For better matchmaking, a personal skill level stat should be used to match player of similar skill levels. Win/Loss ratio shouldn't heavily impact that number and needs to incorporate more than just WP/s and KDR.

Here's what came up with a long time ago and the spreadsheet.

Here's a summery the formula:
(Warpoints/Kills/30)^(3/4) + (Kills/Deaths)^(1/2) + (Warpoints/150)^(9/10) (1-(1.5*Deaths*Price/10)^(8/10) + 1.5*sqrt(Wins/Losses) = Personal Effectiveness Stat

For better matchmaking, a personal skill level stat should be used to match player of similar skill levels. Win/Loss ratio shouldn't heavily impact that number and needs to incorporate more than just WP/s and KDR.

Here's what came up with a long time ago and the spreadsheet.

Here's a summery the formula:
(Warpoints/Kills/30)^(3/4) + (Kills/Deaths)^(1/2) + (Warpoints/150)^(9/10) (1-(1.5*Deaths*Price/10)^(8/10) + 1.5*sqrt(Wins/Losses) = Personal Effectiveness Stat

I have demonstrated before that Mu is a very good indicator of player skill, by comparing it to KDR, WP/D and a multitude of other more complex stats I experimented with.

WP/D is my favorite simple method btw.

No not at all. of course they increase the damage by less but they still increase the damage.

When you take a veteran that has core skills maxed out to receive extra shields and armor coupled with a couple of damage mods and a damage increase from the warbarge there is simply not much newbies can do to hang in the fight. The newbies are giving up damage on their fitting to tank HP are screwed against full core skills + proficiency. One could easily argue that this advantage applies no matter how a vet fits their suit and they would be correct, I only point to stacked damage mods because the TTK for a new player is already insanely low and damage mods only make that time lower.


Personally I feel like meta lockouts are not going to complete very much in the end. This is because proto stompers primary advantages come from high core skills and squading up. We will most likely see them flock too the low meta areas and continue stomping because everyone knows that those guys do not ever take a fight that there is a risk of loss.

Mu has been used for balancing competitive games since before videogames existed. It has been extensively tested, peer-reviewed and its viability is sorta less rule-of-thumb and more unassailable-scientific-fact.

Now, I think we can have discussions about whether a player should have different Mu ratings for the different game modes.
And there really needs to be a multiplier on effective Mu if a player is in a Squad or not. (I'm pretty sure this isn't the case right now? I'd love to be corrected on this though! )

But the utility of Mu Rating (and it's decedents, like Glicko and TrueSkill) in skill-based games is sorta a conversation that ended decades before Dust even entered development.

I have demonstrated before that Mu is a very good indicator of player skill, by comparing it to KDR, WP/D and a multitude of other more complex stats I experimented with.

WP/D is my favorite simple method btw.

I have demonstrated before that Mu is a very good indicator of player skill, by comparing it to KDR, WP/D and a multitude of other more complex stats I experimented with.

WP/D is my favorite simple method btw.

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Hmm... Can we chat in-game? I want to hear more about your ideas especially matchmaking bc this seems a bit like it would flood newbro matches with bittervets that cling to an underpowered class.
I fear this could make newbros hate minjas, as it statistically is the all-aroynd weakest class in the game, costs the same as a logi to fit, and struggles to defeat a sentinel(assuming the sentinel doesn't see him first. When spotted, death is to be assumed )

Pretty much this, also, the teambuilder incorporates a squad multiplier.

I have demonstrated before that Mu is a very good indicator of player skill, by comparing it to KDR, WP/D and a multitude of other more complex stats I experimented with.

WP/D is my favorite simple method btw.

I have demonstrated before that Mu is a very good indicator of player skill, by comparing it to KDR, WP/D and a multitude of other more complex stats I experimented with.

WP/D is my favorite simple method btw.

Ah! Very happy to hear that. :)

Hrrmm,.. we may want to up the value on the multiplier a lil' bit.
The very few times I've found a match to be unbalanced these days, it often seems to be due to the 6 best players on the winning team being squaded while the losing team's high Mu players were lone-wolfing.

Why isn't the squad Mu the average Mu of the squad members?

Here's my problem, I usually solo ambush yet I consistently get but up against organized squads. I just don't understand how my solo MU is being matched up and put up against consistent Proto squads?