DUST Search - When I'm On A Crappy Team

gekko k wrote:

As a lonewolf player, when I'm on a crappy team where nobody knows how to do anything, I want to:

1. Deploy useful uplinks

AND

2. Deploy useful proximity explosives

AND

3. Change into an assault suit and go take objectives

AND

4. Place REs on those objectives that I capture.

Bandwidth has really changed pub matches for the worse. I've felt it, and I'm sure that many others have too.

As for now, it makes sense to leave the match, because a single experienced soldier cannot provide enough support for the team to turn the tide of battle.

CAN WE REMOVE BANDWIDTH FROM PUB MATCHES (WHERE THERE ARE SCADS OF USELESS NOOBS).

Bandwidth constraints make sense in planetary conquest, sure, where there are more experienced players and the team is more well integrated and trained. But in the context of the chaos that is the random pub team, bandwidth doesn't make much sense from a statistical perspective.

nb4join a squad. No.
nb4then it is your own fault. No. Game design is too limiting and inhibits fun.
nb4queue sync. No. I don't have time for neckbearding.
nb4git gud. Go away.
nb4one person is too powerful. The bandwidth rule is the same for everybody. Right now one person is too weak in a room full of retards.

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gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 53	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:40:00 - [1] - Quote As a lonewolf player, when I'm on a crappy team where nobody knows how to do anything, I want to: 1. Deploy useful uplinks AND 2. Deploy useful proximity explosives AND 3. Change into an assault suit and go take objectives AND 4. Place REs on those objectives that I capture. Bandwidth has really changed pub matches for the worse. I've felt it, and I'm sure that many others have too. As for now, it makes sense to leave the match, because a single experienced soldier cannot provide enough support for the team to turn the tide of battle. CAN WE REMOVE BANDWIDTH FROM PUB MATCHES (WHERE THERE ARE SCADS OF USELESS NOOBS). Bandwidth constraints make sense in planetary conquest, sure, where there are more experienced players and the team is more well integrated and trained. But in the context of the chaos that is the random pub team, bandwidth doesn't make much sense from a statistical perspective. nb4join a squad. No. nb4then it is your own fault. No. Game design is too limiting and inhibits fun. nb4queue sync. No. I don't have time for neckbearding. nb4git gud. Go away. nb4one person is too powerful. The bandwidth rule is the same for everybody. Right now one person is too weak in a room full of retards.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 527	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:44:00 - [2] - Quote You do realize if I can also place proto uplinks as well as nano hives, then switch back to my proto heavy, I'll forever be ontop of the board in every match again, right? Doesn't everyone else deserve a shot at it too? D: G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3303	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:45:00 - [3] - Quote Sorry, but the game is way better now that we don't have spammed equipment, and I'm sorry if you feel like it's hampered your ability to turn a game singlehandedly -- which likely wasn't a realistic expectation in the first place.
Edau Skir2 Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 605	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:55:00 - [4] - Quote Well everyone destroys Proxy RE's whenever they see them, and it's common practice to flux the objective before hacking. So essentially, you only get to deploy uplinks. You have sufficient bandwidth to do that. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 53	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:56:00 - [5] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Sorry, but the game is way better now that we don't have spammed equipment, and I'm sorry if you feel like it's hampered your ability to turn a game singlehandedly -- which likely wasn't a realistic expectation in the first place. Looks like truly skilled players were too much power for people who don't have what it takes to compete, so they dumbed down the game. This request is for pub matches only not the whole game.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 3988	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:59:00 - [6] - Quote Yea pubs has got worse since bandwidth was added. It has lead to less links which equal more stomps.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1979	Posted - 2015.02.25 18:09:00 - [7] - Quote I know you don't want to hear it, but it's just silly to say 'one experienced soldier cannot turn the tides of battle', then refuse to squad. It's contradictory. If you're not squadding, you have no right to complain, IMO. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 You got gud - DAAAA BEAST
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1979	Posted - 2015.02.25 18:12:00 - [8] - Quote I support BW. Boo hoo, I can't spam equipment then switch to a Proto Sentinel and #R3KT everyone anymore. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 You got gud - DAAAA BEAST
SLENDER M4N Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 64	Posted - 2015.02.25 18:35:00 - [9] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I support BW. Boo hoo, I can't spam equipment then switch to a Proto Sentinel and #R3KT everyone anymore. I used to hate the BW idea. Thought it was stupid. But then all the Pros of having BW slapped my face. Since then I learned to love BW. Proud owner of the ck.0, gk.0, and ak.0 assault suits. Fuk that mk.0 pos!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7930	Posted - 2015.02.25 19:03:00 - [10] - Quote Bandwidth is necessary. Don't solo. Choose to run Amarr/Caldari logi. You. Are. Not. Rambo. You cannot take on an entire team all by your lonesome. Sorry, not sorry. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King

Eros Adonai Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2015.02.25 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote I see both sides...BUT the fact of the matter is pubs have gotten far worse...everyone has noticed, whether they choose to admit it, or not. My number one concern is for this game to be fun and balanced, with fast paced gameplay. All I know is that of right now, I'm sick of feeling like I'm the only guy who hasn't given up, in a lot of cases, squaded up or not. It's arguably even worse when you're on the winning team. It's just so boring. Bandwidth is a nice idea in theory, but it has been poorly implemented and should have been introduced along with, AT LEAST, a half decent matchmaking system.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8036	Posted - 2015.02.25 20:12:00 - [12] - Quote I solo a great majority of the time, but BW isn't the problem. Matchmaking/Team balancing is the problem. I get the desire to want to do all those things, because when you seem to be the only one trying, you want to try and do as much as possible. The issue is that Pubs aren't the only game mode, and removal of BW may allow you to do what you want at the expense of PC and FW play. We need to consider the broader range of issues in the game, and fixes that do not negatively affect other game modes/roles significantly. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Outlaw OneZero Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1586	Posted - 2015.02.25 20:34:00 - [13] - Quote gekko k wrote: As a lonewolf player, when I'm on a crappy team where nobody knows how to do anything, I want to: I used to be like you and try to carry a bad team when running solo, now I just leave match and look for a better team or just drop links and let the reds farm their kills. I'm still not sure how I feel about bandwidth, but it has absolutely killed the ability of 1 or 2 vets to be able to provide the support that a bad team either can't or won't provide themselves. Hello, is this thing on?
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2015.02.25 21:49:00 - [14] - Quote I can see both sides, however it's not a binary choice of BW or no BW. Suits can have adjustments as can equipment. Proxies could do with their BW reducing and assaults could use a little buff imho.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 338	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:26:00 - [15] - Quote I hate my stupid Min Scout suit. It doesn't let me run into battle and drop three uplinks and switch to a logi before all of those uplinks pop. When I heard of bandwith, I thought it meant that the max limit for equipment was dropped so I could run and drop three uplinks, go to a supply depot, get the same suit, and put more and more and more! That scout you see on the kill board with 20 kills and 15 deaths
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1989	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote TritusX wrote: I hate my stupid Min Scout suit. It doesn't let me run into battle and drop three uplinks and switch to a logi before all of those uplinks pop. When I heard of bandwith, I thought it meant that the max limit for equipment was dropped so I could run and drop three uplinks, go to a supply depot, get the same suit, and put more and more and more! Uplinks take 4 bw (I think), and the proto Min Scout has a bw limit of 12. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 You got gud - DAAAA BEAST
TritusX PH4NT0M5 338	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:34:00 - [17] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: TritusX wrote: I hate my stupid Min Scout suit. It doesn't let me run into battle and drop three uplinks and switch to a logi before all of those uplinks pop. When I heard of bandwith, I thought it meant that the max limit for equipment was dropped so I could run and drop three uplinks, go to a supply depot, get the same suit, and put more and more and more! Uplinks take 4 bw (I think), and the proto Min Scout has a bw limit of 12. I use STD and ADV because I don't have the skills there, and I am too poor to run it anyway That scout you see on the kill board with 20 kills and 15 deaths
VAHZZ Haven's Keep 613	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:35:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Bandwidth is necessary. Don't solo. Choose to run Amarr/Caldari logi. You. Are. Not. Rambo. You cannot take on an entire team all by your lonesome. Sorry, not sorry. This. I had to learn it the hard way. ~ Closed Beta Vet
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 742	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:39:00 - [19] - Quote Well, i run uplinks on my scout and i like the fact that i have to think about where i put my one uplink. Also makes it really pay of that if i place an uplink at a good strategic spot i reap the benefit in spawns. I kind of see your point because would love to lay down a minefield and trow down a hive for the team after that but we don't want to go back to equipment span do we? Not even in Pubs. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 190	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:49:00 - [20] - Quote Some will say BW is the turd in the catboxGÇª some will say BW removes the turds from the catbox. I still book it Minnie style to the point, links on way, get tapped by one BrAR bullet, respawn APEX GalMando, collect tears for free, drop one hive without popping either link, collect AV points from any(cl)one silly enough to roll up on me, get smacked down by an ELM7 laser tear-extractor from a zillion miles AHEM km out, respawn as a QfeBPO GalSault with replacement uplinks and an RS-90 slaying machine. It's a living and you can help a team of blewbs well enoughGÇªI never got gud with proxies, REs, etc so don't really mind BW. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop

Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1993	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:55:00 - [21] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: Some will say BW is the turd in the catboxGÇª some will say BW removes the turds from the catbox. I still book it Minnie style to the point, links on way, get tapped by one BrAR bullet, respawn APEX GalMando, collect tears for free, drop one hive without popping either link, collect AV points from any(cl)one silly enough to roll up on me, get smacked down by an ELM7 laser tear-extractor from a zillion miles AHEM km out, respawn as a QfeBPO GalSault with replacement uplinks and an RS-90 slaying machine. It's a living and you can help a team of blewbs well enoughGÇªI never got gud with proxies, REs, etc so don't really mind BW. I drop two links in my Scout suit, then I still have enough BW for a RE, or a Hive if I change to Assault. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 You got gud - DAAAA BEAST
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 692	Posted - 2015.02.26 00:05:00 - [22] - Quote gekko k wrote: As a lonewolf player, when I'm on a crappy team where nobody knows how to do anything, I want to: 1. Deploy useful uplinks AND 2. Deploy useful proximity explosives AND 3. Change into an assault suit and go take objectives AND 4. Place REs on those objectives that I capture. Bandwidth has really changed pub matches for the worse. I've felt it, and I'm sure that many others have too. As for now, it makes sense to leave the match, because a single experienced soldier cannot provide enough support for the team to turn the tide of battle. CAN WE REMOVE BANDWIDTH FROM PUB MATCHES (WHERE THERE ARE SCADS OF USELESS NOOBS). Bandwidth constraints make sense in planetary conquest, sure, where there are more experienced players and the team is more well integrated and trained. But in the context of the chaos that is the random pub team, bandwidth doesn't make much sense from a statistical perspective. nb4join a squad. No. nb4then it is your own fault. No. Game design is too limiting and inhibits fun. nb4queue sync. No. I don't have time for neckbearding. nb4git gud. Go away. nb4one person is too powerful. The bandwidth rule is the same for everybody. Right now one person is too weak in a room full of retards. nbdcan'tWPfarm5k+30killsanymoreQQ BW means people learn to do other stuff. If you WHOLE team is running uplinks you find yourself grabbing an ammo fit. Or rep fit. Or Needle fit. Or whatever fit. Even blue dots and new players start learning to adjust what equipment they bring to the fight based on what they see out. You never carried your team before BW. You just farmed MOAR wp off of them. ( You being figurative towards people that hate BW still even after successful implementation and positive effects we all hoped for being confirmed.)
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1042	Posted - 2015.02.26 00:30:00 - [23] - Quote Whenever I play solo, and I'm pushing an objective, and my team is non-existent to the point where there isn't a single blue dot on the map, this always seems to start playing in my head Who cares what some sniper has to say. CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!


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