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pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1640	Posted - 2015.02.24 09:20:00 - [1] - Quote This is the second thread of this kind, check this that speaks about UP weapons. Let me try to explain what I'm trying to do whith these kind of threads. We, as a community, never agrees on anything, ever. If we had a glass full of water we'd stil have a lot of players claiming it is not full...or that that isn't water or something like that. And this may lead to CCP being confused about our feedbacks:"Who is right? Who should I listen to?" But say for a second that everyone here agrees on a topic. Say we all think that the weapon X is UP and need a buff. CCP'd be like:"Wow, if they all agree then it means that weapon X is really UP and need a buff. Let's see what we can do". So here we'll try to help CCP improving this game we love. Let's start, I'll add only tactics that the whole community thinks are a problem for the game, are ruining the game and should be removed or limited: Roof Camping: one of the main problem of the game, It might be a tactic but when everyone starts camping roofs then the game is ruined. LAV+Sentinel: Do I have to explain? Spamming REs from roofs: This is even worse than the roof camping I talked about before. I was thinking about adding frisbee REs to the list but I'm not sure everyone will agree it is a cheap tactic. Should I add it? Suggest me anything else you can think of. If you disagree with the things I added to the list show me why I'm wrong and I'll remove it from the list. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4326	Posted - 2015.02.24 09:28:00 - [2] - Quote fixing the RE detonation time would work nicely as for fixing LAV HMG we tried that only we don't have the code to do it, apparently. we can't do the animation or something. roof camping needs more counters, not really got a problem with it in theory. maybe remove nanohives on rooves? so you can spawn for the strategic advantage but you can't stay there for long. Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'. And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 588	Posted - 2015.02.24 09:35:00 - [3] - Quote LAV + Sentinel, yes, that's an issue. Easy fix though, restrict heavies being able to get in LAVS, weight issue or something of the like. Rooftop camping isn't really an issue. People aren't using the 300 point Flux OB as much as they should. If they did, you'd have a lot less trouble with it. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2892	Posted - 2015.02.24 09:39:00 - [4] - Quote The problem isn't "roof camping" per se, but the fact that there's so many maps with high-ground that's only accessible by dropship. This in turn makes the only options to clear high uplinks (a) very obvious dropship or (b) orbital strike. Considering OBs don't become available till later in the game, your only real option on a lot of maps is to call in a dropship which is both obvious and easy to counter if there's any AV camping on said roof. Lord help you if you're not running with a squad and no one else on your team seems smart enough to realize why enemy reinforcements keep dropping from the skies... Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1095	Posted - 2015.02.24 10:17:00 - [5] - Quote If Snipers actually had power and range, you can bet that roof camping would decline in popularity quite fast. But of course, they aren't allowed to have range, and they aren't allowed to have much power (generally speaking). Mostly because of the head glitching problem (poor terrain detection), and the other problem about ranged units not loading correctly over 300m. Then there were the people complaining that dying to sniper rounds over 4-10 seconds was "too fast of a kill" all the while they were being gunned down by others next to them in under 2 seconds. Anyway. Roof camping is a thing, mainly because people wanted the solution to said problem, to be rather weak. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 187	Posted - 2015.02.24 10:50:00 - [6] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: Roof Camping: one of the main problem of the game, It might be a tactic but when everyone starts camping roofs then the game is ruined. I love flying dropships to a rooftop and dropping uplinks , I love shooting enemy rooftop uplinks with an assault dropship For me I like rooftops, and if you don't like earn 300 WP and call in an orbital barrage.
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 589	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:08:00 - [7] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: The problem isn't "roof camping" per se, but the fact that there's so many maps with high-ground that's only accessible by dropship. This in turn makes the only options to clear high uplinks (a) very obvious dropship or (b) orbital strike. Considering OBs don't become available till later in the game, your only real option on a lot of maps is to call in a dropship which is both obvious and easy to counter if there's any AV camping on said roof. Lord help you if you're not running with a squad and no one else on your team seems smart enough to realize why enemy reinforcements keep dropping from the skies... Later in the game? It's 300WP! Solo its asy, in a squad is laughably easy. Rooftop camping isn't the problem, people ignoring the small flux OB is Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Eros Adonai Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:13:00 - [8] - Quote [/quote=Pagl1u M]Roof Camping: one of the main problem of the game, It might be a tactic but when everyone starts camping roofs then the game is ruined.[/quote] Symptom, rather than a problem, for the most part. RE's are fine, bit the Frisbee sh** has got to go...
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 524	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:16:00 - [9] - Quote CCP wants people camping on roof tops, you have to buy dropships to get up there and to get them off... Dropships cost isk. The more you spend isk, the less you have, the more likely you'll want to buy Aurum to compensate... Conspiracy!!! o:< Also, though I know many are going to say, throw an OB on them. Can't get enough points? Use a 300wp OB to kill their uplink and get out that sniper starter fit. As far as the heavy & LAV, proxy remotes are really under used and eliminate the problem, literally. Back to how CCP conspires to make us buy Aurum, if people can just chuck remotes and kill all your suits, you'll run low on isk and buy those fancy "Neo" suits, or a blueprint o; Moral of the story, buy Aurum... You need it... You want it... You can't live without it... Aurum, buy it today :DDDD G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 656	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:16:00 - [10] - Quote roof camping like tower camping is not OP, it's a joke, people who do it lose 90% of the time.

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3641	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:43:00 - [11] - Quote 1) Ant's nesting The act of placing as many uplinks and hives as possible inside a defendable posistion, Ant's nesting is specifically when the enemy can spawn back faster than you can advance 2) Drive Bys The act of driving upto to a target in a LAV and getting out to blap them at short range, made worse when the perpetraror returns to the LAV whenever they reach low health 3) Capture point camping The act of sitting on or near a capture point of waiting until either the enemy rounds the corner or begins hacking to kill them 4) Rooftop Ant's nesting A variant of Ant's nesting on rooftops. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7724	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:46:00 - [12] - Quote We need minmatar artillery, stay up there with a massive cannon firing at ya you commando ***! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja* Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens 1119	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:06:00 - [13] - Quote I see many people pointing out to small flux OBs to fix rooftop camping. I say to that yes and no. Why? Because one person can only drop so many small OBs before he runs out. And not to mention that the enemy team WILL still try to get to that rooftop and spam uplinks. I was in this one game couple of weeks ago. On the Caldario Biomass Facility playing Dom. And you guys know how that there is a tower that over looks at anyone who tries to hack the objective right? Well the enemy team set camp there. I was in a 2 man squad and I dont mind dropping small OBs because I really don't care if I get the Laser strike or not. I dropped all possible small OB's there to clear up all the uplinks they have dropped. 15 seconds later I see another dropship goong up on there and spamming even more uplinks. I used up the rest of my small OBs and called in a missile fitted Myron and went up there with my buddy. Kicked them all off, I went back down and re-called my Myron. I see 2 MORE Dropships heading up to the tower again. At this point I was annoyed, me and my buddy switched to AV fits (Him being swarms and me Forge Gun) I call in my Myron again and go up, he uses the missile turret to kill the few guys that have spawned there and the uplinks and we set up shop. Later we see 4 goddamm dropship coming from their redline to that tower. We start to shoot them but we got outnumbered, he fell from the tower and one of the dropships pushed me off trying to kill me. This was a battle against a 6 man squad against Coalici+¦n Latina. I felt sorta proud that me and my buddy. 2 guys managed to hold and annoy a squad of 6. Buy also rather disgusted by the fact that they just really wanted to rooftop camp the objective. This also brings me to the new Caldari Productions Facility. You know, the big new Caldari sucket? Yeah. There are some railings yhat you can only achive by going to the rooftop and droppibg a few feet. Needles to say that no amouny of OB's will destroy thembecause they are underneath the ceiling and that sucket has a pretty tall ceiling ao I also doubt that a major flux OB will get them out. Changes to Damage mods!
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 954	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:08:00 - [14] - Quote I agree with LAV + sentinel and I believe Rattati echoed that they were going to add some kind of delay to exiting/entering vehicles at some stage. For the roof camping, this is a map issue. CCP logicloop's toxic legacy will follow dust to its grave. placing gigantic structures over objectives that no one can get to (not unless you have a dropship!!).
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 840	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:19:00 - [15] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: LAV+Sentinel: Do I have to explain? Yes you should... What suit should be used on an exposed small turret? Pagl1u M wrote: Roof Camping: one of the main problem of the game, It might be a tactic but when everyone starts camping roofs then the game is ruined. I'd say rooftop camping isn't a problem, so much as a symptom. The issue would be when people glitch uplinks in objects. Sure you can sometimes hit it with a flux, or still melee it, but there are other times they're too deep and the only counter becomes parking something over it to squash everyone (probably something a lot of people want removing from the game.) If pilot suits become a thing, we're not going to be able to even take the flux grenades up there to attempt it. Using the 300wp strike is like trying to swat a mosquito with a tennis racket, 9 times out of 10 it's going to slip through the hole. remove the glitchyness, which affects more than just roof camping, then ads pilots will solve the issue. & no more people getting spawned inside objects on the ground either >__< lol.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 658	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:34:00 - [16] - Quote Tell me one thing... Are you anoyed that you can't run in team with CR? Changing tactic is painful? 1 LAV + sentinel. Use AV! Nothing more to say. Lav are so easy to destroy. Don't blame sentinels that can compensate gap range and speed. Do you never see assaault in LAV with same tacticts? 2. Roof camp. Use brain. At last roof are open for any kind of weapon - snipers have fest here.. even from redline. At last people on roof are in combat zone! Still have problem with point 1? Put AV on roof and they stop very fast. 3. Remotes... this is bread and butter of Dust. Learn about it, be cauction and know what you can do. 4. Only thing that isn't solved here are redline snipers. ONLY! Rest is fairly easy to counter.... if you don't only want run in pack with CR. CU Not much time left...
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1644	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:48:00 - [17] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: cut Thank you for explaining to me how to play Dust, I really needed it. Now can we go back to the topic of the thread? (if it wasnt clear enough the topic is: tactics that ruins the game and should be changed.) To everyone saying that 300wp ob is the fix for roof camping I say that that ob is either bugged or too weak, a lot of times I'm not even able to destroy a single scanned uplink with it. Buffing it could be a good fix for roofcamping. hold that wrote: roof camping like tower camping is not OP, it's a joke, people who do it lose 90% of the time. I know it, but that "tactic" still ruin the game for everyone: roofcampers, enemy of roofcampers, friends of roofcampers....everyone! Monkey MAC wrote: 1) Ant's nesting The act of placing as many uplinks and hives as possible inside a defendable posistion, Ant's nesting is specifically when the enemy can spawn back faster than you can advance I think that's why we have scouts, their role is to destroy equipments from behind enemy lines 2) Drive Bys The act of driving upto to a target in a LAV and getting out to blap them at short range, made worse when the perpetraror returns to the LAV whenever they reach low health yes, I called it Sentinel+LAV but that's what I meant. 3) Capture point camping The act of sitting on or near a capture point of waiting until either the enemy rounds the corner or begins hacking to kill them I dont know, you might call it camping but I call it defending, I find it to be a proper tactic 4) Rooftop Ant's nesting A variant of Ant's nesting on rooftops. I commented in the quote, these are just my thoughts... Derpty Derp wrote: Yes you should... What suit should be used on an exposed small turret? Going to edit the OP right now, Sentinels using turrets is not what I meant. Monkey explained what I meant: The act of driving upto to a target in a LAV and getting out to blap them at short range, made worse when the perpetraror returns to the LAV whenever they reach low health One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1242	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:55:00 - [18] - Quote roof camping is boring I will never understand people who defends it «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
Fibo Gjenn UNIVERSAL BANDAGE 26	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:25:00 - [19] - Quote I love roof campers, there should be more of it. Last game 17 kills 17 head-shots. A most excellent game!
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 510	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:14:00 - [20] - Quote 500wp minor war strike, create rooftops as red zones at 500wp you can call in a tiny orbital strike but only on a red zone so you can't blap 'ol sailor joe standing next to the turret on a cell phone with his mom telling her he's doing good at college and he's just watching a war movie that, paired with flux strike = solution to rooftop camping

DRT 99 OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:30:00 - [21] - Quote yes, RE frizbees are scrubby. got killed by one from 17m the other day. on a side note: i know heavies in LAVs are scrubby, but what about blaster LAVs?
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1309	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:37:00 - [22] - Quote Dear op, I see only one reason why the REs and other still exists: the players can not play except in this way. They are part of the audience that pays money. We just pay for their inability to play fair. Please support fair play!
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15760	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:47:00 - [23] - Quote 1. If they're tossing REs from the roof, move away from the roof. 2. I find it amusing how you contemplate tossing REs on the list but don't include stacking 1300 HP Sentinels on an objective. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15760	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:48:00 - [24] - Quote DRT 99 wrote: yes, RE frizbees are scrubby. got killed by one from 17m the other day. No you didn't, the person who killed you was simply 17m away. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:51:00 - [25] - Quote How can there be cheap tactics in a sandbox game? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2419	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:55:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: How can there be cheap tactics in a sandbox game? ^fundamentally doesn't understand that this isn't a sandbox game. Lol. Home at Last <3
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1651	Posted - 2015.02.24 18:04:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: How can there be cheap tactics in a strongbox game? ftfy, really "sandbox" ahahaha!!!! Atiim wrote: 1. If they're tossing REs from the roof, move away from the roof. I repeat it again I'm not really looking for tips & tricks here, I know how to play this game. But That IS a cheap tactic, one of those that ruins the game. 2. I find it amusing how you contemplate tossing REs on the list but don't include stacking 1300 HP Sentinels on an objective. I hate OP sentinels as much as you do and I find it crazyli stupid how OP they have been since 1.8. BUT you know as well as me that not everyone can see how they are wrong. If I were to add the to the list we'd have tons of sentinel users jumping in to claim sentinels are fine (lol) and that they are only good at their intended role (lol). That's why I can't add them to the list. W have to agree as a community on the things that I put on the list. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 841	Posted - 2015.02.24 18:08:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: How can there be cheap tactics in a sandbox game? Kitty litterbox at best.
RayRay James State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 987	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:23:00 - [29] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Considering OBs don't become available till later in the game, your only real option on a lot of maps is to call in a dropship which is both obvious and easy to counter if there's any AV camping on said roof. Except CCP gave us a low WP counter to rooftop spawining a while ago. That pesky EMP orbital that no one uses to counter what people complain about because "oh Noez, that's 300 WP being taken away from my major lazor strike"
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1543	Posted - 2015.02.24 22:09:00 - [30] - Quote LAV stop and pop is scrubby but should be allowed, HAV stop and pop is the real problem. RE spam has gone past the point of ridiculousness. HMG is a little too powerful. I don't understand the complaints about roof camping. Point camping with objectives having only two entrances is more of a problem. Because, that's why.



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