DUST Search - Cheap tactics that really need to be removed or limited.

Pagl1u M wrote:

This is the second thread of this kind, check this that speaks about UP weapons.

Let me try to explain what I'm trying to do whith these kind of threads.

We, as a community, never agrees on anything, ever. If we had a glass full of water we'd stil have a lot of players claiming it is not full...or that that isn't water or something like that.

And this may lead to CCP being confused about our feedbacks:"Who is right? Who should I listen to?"

But say for a second that everyone here agrees on a topic Shocked

. Say we all think that the weapon X is UP and need a buff. CCP'd be like:"Wow, if they all agree then it means that weapon X is really UP and need a buff. Let's see what we can do".

So here we'll try to help CCP improving this game we love.

Let's start, I'll add only tactics that the whole community thinks are a problem for the game, are ruining the game and should be removed or limited:

Roof Camping: one of the main problem of the game, It might be a tactic but when everyone starts camping roofs then the game is ruined.

LAV+Sentinel: The act of driving upto to a target in a LAV and getting out to blap them at short range, made worse when the perpetraror returns to the LAV whenever they reach low health

Spamming REs from roofs: This is even worse than the roof camping I talked about before.

I was thinking about adding frisbee REs to the list but I'm not sure everyone will agree it is a cheap tactic. Should I add it?

Suggest me anything else you can think of. If you disagree with the things I added to the list show me why I'm wrong and I'll remove it from the list.

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MrShooter01 Ustio Mercenary Squadron 1401	Posted - 2015.02.24 23:14:00 - [31] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Later in the game? It's 300WP! Solo its asy, in a squad is laughably easy. Rooftop camping isn't the problem, people ignoring the small flux OB is They aren't very reliable though Even when you learn how to aim them, often the blasts will hit the roof and fail to destroy the uplinks, especially if there's any kind of complex geometry on the roof like a null cannon or tiny ridges I wish the flux strikes actually worked like flux grenades and penetrated everything with a huge radius, even enough to clear out uplinks under the roof in the production facility or the underground supply depot in the science facility
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1660	Posted - 2015.02.26 13:03:00 - [32] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Later in the game? It's 300WP! Solo its asy, in a squad is laughably easy. Rooftop camping isn't the problem, people ignoring the small flux OB is They aren't very reliable though Even when you learn how to aim them, often the blasts will hit the roof and fail to destroy the uplinks, especially if there's any kind of complex geometry on the roof like a null cannon or tiny ridges I wish the flux strikes actually worked like flux grenades and penetrated everything with a huge radius, even enough to clear out uplinks under the roof in the production facility or the underground supply depot in the science facility this. the 300 wp ob is teorically a good counter to roof uplinks but it doesnt work well enough. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1660	Posted - 2015.02.26 13:06:00 - [33] - Quote DRT 99 wrote: on a side note: i know heavies in LAVs are scrubby, but what about blaster LAVs? what do you mean? Do you consider LAVs with a blaster turret a cheap tactic? Explain. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9942	Posted - 2015.02.26 15:04:00 - [34] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: The problem isn't "roof camping" per se, but the fact that there's so many maps with high-ground that's only accessible by dropship. This in turn makes the only options to clear high uplinks (a) very obvious dropship or (b) orbital strike. Considering OBs don't become available till later in the game, your only real option on a lot of maps is to call in a dropship which is both obvious and easy to counter if there's any AV camping on said roof. Lord help you if you're not running with a squad and no one else on your team seems smart enough to realize why enemy reinforcements keep dropping from the skies... I have a hardened shield DS just for those roof campers. You might lose the ship, but by god you will get up there. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9942	Posted - 2015.02.26 15:07:00 - [35] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: MrShooter01 wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Later in the game? It's 300WP! Solo its asy, in a squad is laughably easy. Rooftop camping isn't the problem, people ignoring the small flux OB is They aren't very reliable though Even when you learn how to aim them, often the blasts will hit the roof and fail to destroy the uplinks, especially if there's any kind of complex geometry on the roof like a null cannon or tiny ridges I wish the flux strikes actually worked like flux grenades and penetrated everything with a huge radius, even enough to clear out uplinks under the roof in the production facility or the underground supply depot in the science facility this. the 300 wp ob is teorically a good counter to roof uplinks but it doesnt work well enough. Only works if the logi doesn't have another link to plop down. Smart logis always leave one in reserve. Then another spawns in, and the cycle repeats. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3643	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:09:00 - [36] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 1) Ant's nesting The act of placing as many uplinks and hives as possible inside a defendable posistion, Ant's nesting is specifically when the enemy can spawn back faster than you can advance I think that's why we have scouts, their role is to destroy equipments from behind enemy lines true, but when there is only one or two entrances to the location such as in domination, no scout is going to take care of that. 2) Drive Bys The act of driving upto to a target in a LAV and getting out to blap them at short range, made worse when the perpetraror returns to the LAV whenever they reach low health yes, I called it Sentinel+LAV but that's what I meant. 3) Capture point camping The act of sitting on or near a capture point of waiting until either the enemy rounds the corner or begins hacking to kill them I dont know, you might call it camping but I call it defending, I find it to be a proper tactic If you kill a guy who you just suddenly realised is hacking your nearby point that's fine, however I don't agree with heavies who sit directly infront of the console waiting for you to round the corner, or scouts who have the opportunity to kill the opponent multiple times before hand but waits until they are stationary and can't fight back to blap them with a shotgun, it's poor sportsmanship and down right camping. 4) Rooftop Ant's nesting A variant of Ant's nesting on rooftops. I commented in the quote, these are just my thoughts... They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Koldy Lyte Marven Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:16:00 - [37] - Quote I hate scouts with shotguns. And I hate people that call 3 tanks and blow up every single person they see. I don't call this war.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2409	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:21:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: 1. If they're tossing REs from the roof, move away from the roof. 2. I find it amusing how you contemplate tossing REs on the list but don't include stacking 1300 HP Sentinels on an objective. I find it weird how explosives aren't a sentinels weakness... I think that the mass driver SHOULD be proficient in clearing out objectives... Except it is not unless there are like 3 people doing the same. Is this an acceptable counter? Why do Sentinels get resistance to all, explosives, why not just have a weakness to Mass Drivers. I can understand Locus grenades, but not Mass Driver resistance. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3084	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:35:00 - [39] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: How can there be cheap tactics in a sandbox game? A sandbox that explodes after 15 minutes no matter what anyone does. KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3084	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:32:00 - [40] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: This is the second thread of this kind, check this that speaks about UP weapons. Let me try to explain what I'm trying to do whith these kind of threads. We, as a community, never agrees on anything, ever. If we had a glass full of water we'd stil have a lot of players claiming it is not full...or that that isn't water or something like that. And this may lead to CCP being confused about our feedbacks:"Who is right? Who should I listen to?" But say for a second that everyone here agrees on a topic. Say we all think that the weapon X is UP and need a buff. CCP'd be like:"Wow, if they all agree then it means that weapon X is really UP and need a buff. Let's see what we can do". So here we'll try to help CCP improving this game we love. Let's start, I'll add only tactics that the whole community thinks are a problem for the game, are ruining the game and should be removed or limited: Roof Camping: one of the main problem of the game, It might be a tactic but when everyone starts camping roofs then the game is ruined. LAV+Sentinel: The act of driving upto to a target in a LAV and getting out to blap them at short range, made worse when the perpetraror returns to the LAV whenever they reach low health Spamming REs from roofs: This is even worse than the roof camping I talked about before. I was thinking about adding frisbee REs to the list but I'm not sure everyone will agree it is a cheap tactic. Should I add it? Suggest me anything else you can think of. If you disagree with the things I added to the list show me why I'm wrong and I'll remove it from the list. Cheap tactics are used to splay KDR. Matchmake by KDR, watch who rises to the top, see what tactic they use, decide on nerf if necessary. However, since cheap tacticians would be rising in KDR, they would face deadlier and deadlier foes, and the problem would probably alleviate itself as they switch tactics when the success margin evaporates. KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.

THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1536	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:39:00 - [41] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: LAV+Sentinel: The act of driving upto to a target in a LAV and getting out to blap them at short range, made worse when the perpetraror returns to the LAV whenever they reach low health And this is why I love my dear scrambler rifle. Poor fatties can't turn around before they die Our lives are nothing but a means to an end. AIV member. 21 day EVE trial.
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 210	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:46:00 - [42] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: CCP wants people camping on roof tops, you have to buy dropships to get up there and to get them off... Dropships cost isk. The more you spend isk, the less you have, the more likely you'll want to buy Aurum to compensate... Conspiracy!!! o:< Also, though I know many are going to say, throw an OB on them. Can't get enough points? Use a 300wp OB to kill their uplink and get out that sniper starter fit. As far as the heavy & LAV, proxy remotes are really under used and eliminate the problem, literally. Back to how CCP conspires to make us buy Aurum, if people can just chuck remotes and kill all your suits, you'll run low on isk and buy those fancy "Neo" suits, or a blueprint o; Moral of the story, buy Aurum... You need it... You want it... You can't live without it... Aurum, buy it today :DDDD No the heavy lav thing is not easily solved with proxys and re's when the heavy can just jump put and mow you down while your trying to delpoy them. Think, dont just give your opinion. I know that these tactics dont usually work from years of experience. There needs to be a 3 sec delay or just dont let heavys in lav. This is a tactic used by ****** players...
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 741	Posted - 2015.03.01 00:01:00 - [43] - Quote So you are telling us that if you want to do your pathetic stomp in pubs you want CCP to get rid off cheap tactics. Bahahah good joke F@G. I'll use my cheap tactics to demolish your squad. I did once and I'll do it again. I enjoy hate mail from you " proto wanna be stompers" loololololol MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 461	Posted - 2015.03.01 03:27:00 - [44] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Pagl1u M wrote: LAV+Sentinel: Do I have to explain? Yes you should... What suit should be used on an exposed small turret? Derp, he's referring to HMG heavies jumping out to kill you in CQC with a HMG, and hoping back in because they killed the target or their health is low. Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 461	Posted - 2015.03.01 03:34:00 - [45] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: So you are telling us that if you want to do your pathetic stomp in pubs you want CCP to get rid off cheap tactics. Bahahah good joke F@G. I'll use my cheap tactics to demolish your squad. I did once and I'll do it again. I enjoy hate mail from you " proto wanna be stompers" loololololol Ahem (line 1) But anyways when these "cheap tactics become less cheap or removed you will not do so well I would suggest you rely off skill, or you will likely fade off into a crowd of nonessential bloobs at the bottom of the boards 0/10 0 wp's. And no one needs proto to stomp a scrub . Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 741	Posted - 2015.03.01 03:37:00 - [46] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: So you are telling us that if you want to do your pathetic stomp in pubs you want CCP to get rid off cheap tactics. Bahahah good joke F@G. I'll use my cheap tactics to demolish your squad. I did once and I'll do it again. I enjoy hate mail from you " proto wanna be stompers" loololololol Ahem (line 1) But anyways when these "cheap tactics become less cheap or removed you will not do so well I would suggest you rely off skill, or you will likely fade off into a crowd of nonessential bloobs at the bottom of the boards 0/10 0 wp's. And no one needs proto to stomp a scrub . I careless about the leader bored. You guys think the leaderbored is a must but in reality its ****. No benefit its just a useless piece of crap. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 756	Posted - 2015.03.01 03:59:00 - [47] - Quote All of these tactics are good. Cheap tactics are good. Cheap is what you call it when you do not like it, and they do like it. It is bad to remove tactics. Instead, add more.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 461	Posted - 2015.03.01 04:01:00 - [48] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: So you are telling us that if you want to do your pathetic stomp in pubs you want CCP to get rid off cheap tactics. Bahahah good joke F@G. I'll use my cheap tactics to demolish your squad. I did once and I'll do it again. I enjoy hate mail from you " proto wanna be stompers" loololololol Ahem (line 1) But anyways when these "cheap tactics become less cheap or removed you will not do so well I would suggest you rely off skill, or you will likely fade off into a crowd of nonessential bloobs at the bottom of the boards 0/10 0 wp's. And no one needs proto to stomp a scrub . I careless about the leader bored. You guys think the leaderbored is a must but in reality its **. No benefit its just a useless piece of crap. I could care less about K/D mine is horrid being a suicidal player (logi dying for the team need be) But if you have extremely low WP Which effectively is your effort. Now if you rely off these tactics and which are just as "**" as the leaderboards, and might I add I meant end of battle leaderboards, you will be at the bottom. Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 461	Posted - 2015.03.01 04:10:00 - [49] - Quote Mhmm SILENTSAM 69 wrote: All of these tactics are good. Cheap tactics are good. Cheap is what you call it when you do not like it, and they do like it. It is bad to remove tactics. Instead, add more. Sorry for the disrespect not my words it's theirs. Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 404	Posted - 2015.03.01 05:18:00 - [50] - Quote TANK + HMG heavy "Attention Axiom shoppers try red its the new blue" - WALL-E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1BQPV-iCkU CCP's update

JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 463	Posted - 2015.03.01 05:28:00 - [51] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: TANK + HMG heavy lol You've just created the next generation of "super mercs" Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Everything Dies Counting Bodies Like Sheep 1257	Posted - 2015.03.01 09:13:00 - [52] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: TANK + HMG heavy Guilty...on the rare occasion when I don't deploy uplinks at the start of a battle. Great for dealing with swarmers. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Everything Dies Counting Bodies Like Sheep 1257	Posted - 2015.03.01 09:18:00 - [53] - Quote Now, as to a "cheap" tactic--taking advantage of spawn placements (also includes uplinks) to rack up easy kills before the enemy can even react. Happens a lot on the underground grinder map given where you spawn. Also easy to rain down REs all over the place. Worse, though, are the maps that place spawnpoints well inside the redline where players can easily be picked off without knowing what hit them. Again, I admit to being guilty of this on occasion. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 482	Posted - 2015.03.01 09:22:00 - [54] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: TANK + HMG heavy Cloaked scout is fun too. I park, hop out, and cloak up. AV will just keep running back to destroy the tank. Pick them off from various angles of fire.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 487	Posted - 2015.03.01 10:04:00 - [55] - Quote I don't see any problems in any of those "tactics"! LAV heavies... SL solved. If you have an LAV roaming around a map and killing stuff for longer than a minute, then you are just to lazy to pull AV! Rooftop camping... There are several counters to this, and all are easily available... Mlt derpship with 1-3guys in it, crash landed on the roof, hop out terminate everything, and LEAVE one guy to protect it! Alternatively Snipers, Lazor guys, Rail Tanks or Flux OB's... If you think it's a problem, I say, you are to ******* lazy to deal with it! Objective camping LOLOLOL i wish there where more people doing it, especcially in a skirm, I'm so tired of running around in a blop, following the enemy blop to rehack stuff, it's annoying. If you can't deal with people PROTECTING their node, why do you play this game? And finally, having high ground has always been a desireable thing in Mil history, I wonder why... No I don't, because it's an advantage, which is decicive if played right. There are situations where it mght be a disadvantage and taking to many troops of the ground fight, but I see only a few cases in Dust's maps where it's a disadvantage (i.e. Lag facility roof where you can only drop in certain spots, and the high towers on the line harvest map, which only help the WP gain of the link deployer...). All other high ground, can have a decicive effect on the battle, but only if played right, with a dedicated team. If they sit back on the roof and just want to save their KDR, so be it, it's annoying, but if there would be no roof, they'd just camp in the RL, or leavy anyway, because that's what dust is about, preserve your ISK and KDR... The only thing that will change that is a drastic move in the way we are rewarded for certain ways of playing the game (pushing objectives)!
Lahut K'mar Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2015.03.01 11:32:00 - [56] - Quote 1: It's half full of vodka, you blind twit. 2: Rooftop camping isn't an issue. Just get a derpship pilot or drop an orbital. 3: Mobility scooters are a pain, but are easy enough to deal with. If it's just the one fatso, he'll only go for stragglers, so either stick to your squad or stay out of sight. Also improve your AV. If its three goons, well you're buggered but that's three goons not protecting an objective. 4: REs are nerfed enough as is. You just need to git gud because they are far from impossible to avoid. Don't say such things. I hope you catch Ebola. Horrifying? That's a strange way to spell "romantic". FIX THE WHEEL, CCP!


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