DUST Search - The depth of Star Citizen and what CCP should pay intention too

Mad Syringe wrote:

The PVP part will probably be not any less fascinating as EVE, but without a big portion of the griefing that many in EVE love but many more hate beyond anything. F'or me that sounds very promising, and I'd be willing to dump some money in my rig to play that.

If I have to move to a PC to play DUST or legion, I don't know why I shouldn't play SC instead...?

ON PS4 Dust Legion would be unique, on PC the competition by SC is very big, maybe insurmountable...

I believe that Dust has potential, but only if the NPE is the main focus to bring player count up. It doesn't matter if CCP is making new shiny for the vets, since with no new players seeing a reason to stick to the game, even the vets will get bored to play the same guys in pc over and over again... Dust needs more players period!

Give them the drone infestation PVE, that was promised ages ago, like in EVE we need PVE for newer players to train their skill!

Otherwise this game won't move on, you can't just milk the same small amount of players over and over again...

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Draxus Prime T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 4264	Posted - 2015.02.24 01:03:00 - [1] - Quote Wow, just wow is how I can explain Star Citizen (very wow trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJ9TcGxhNY ). This game is so deep and could become the game of the decade for what it could possibly do for the gaming industry with its complexity and do what you want sandbox. Games like this although not imo feasible today ( full galaxy do whatever you want) will be available in all their glory within the next 10 years. So what should CCP do? Make the EVE universe like this, (aiming for the next 10 years) explorable, moldable and player driven not just in EVE but also let people who don't fly spaceships enjoy it. So get rid of titles like EVE Legion and Valkyrie and EVE online and have one game (hopefully not subscription based) that is simply EVE Universe. Do you want to fly spaceships? Go ahead! Do you want to battle over a planet in real time with 1000s of other players just like you that you can actually interact with (not current system with it broken up into 16vs16 over districts) but with you attacking a planet and moving across the planet to each point and capturing the planet in real time with no loading screen. Or you can interact with players in a social environment within stations and board your or friends ships in real time and explore them in real time. It's really hard for me to get out what I'm trying to say, basically think really ambitious CCP. EVE has lasted 10+ years, another 10 years and we should be able to explore every corner of it. So basically be really ambitious CCP "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 325	Posted - 2015.02.24 01:05:00 - [2] - Quote They botch basic patches and event payouts. their hit detection is off. Way off
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 302	Posted - 2015.02.24 01:09:00 - [3] - Quote I thought the exact same thing when I saw some Star Citizen gameplays & trailers. EVE could be this too. But CCP isn't such a big company and a game like that would require a huge team, with huge investments in both time and money, and would only be possible on PC (which I dont really mind personnaly, but many does^^). For now, I'd like to have some news about Legion! Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5500	Posted - 2015.02.24 01:42:00 - [4] - Quote Must not fall for hype.... (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
ReGnYuM State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 3479	Posted - 2015.02.24 01:47:00 - [5] - Quote INB4 IWS
Boundless Kin Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.02.24 02:10:00 - [6] - Quote Ew EVE lore is better/Ccp games are addictive
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1330	Posted - 2015.02.24 02:20:00 - [7] - Quote Boundless Kin wrote: Ew EVE lore is better/Ccp games are addictive You can't play lore. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2015.02.24 02:28:00 - [8] - Quote Elite dangerous already has the whole milky way galaxy
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3343	Posted - 2015.02.24 02:30:00 - [9] - Quote The two different kinds of spaceship combat though is not even remotely the same... Valkyrie rolled with DUST 514 is comparable to Star Citizen, but EVE-O is a whole different animal. Not better or worse, but very, very different... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6337	Posted - 2015.02.24 02:32:00 - [10] - Quote Boundless Kin wrote: Ew EVE lore is better/Ccp games are addictive The lore is pretty good, but you can't do anything with it other than "know it".

Avallo Kantor 457	Posted - 2015.02.24 02:49:00 - [11] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Boundless Kin wrote: Ew EVE lore is better/Ccp games are addictive You can't play lore. Something Star Citizen Trailers have in common.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6874	Posted - 2015.02.24 03:01:00 - [12] - Quote o/ Draxus Mollerz put alot of time into Star Citizen. I don't know that he remains as excited about it as he once was. I'll ping him and ask him to weigh in with specfics. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1019	Posted - 2015.02.24 03:24:00 - [13] - Quote Long story short. CCP there is so much potential with the EVE universe, please don't squander it! Look at what other games are doing right, look at what other games are doing wrong. In particular, I think there's huge opportunity with the new consoles and the fact that they have almost no good games released! Polish up dust and re-release on the new consoles! Who cares what some sniper has to say. CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
VAHZZ 576	Posted - 2015.02.24 03:27:00 - [14] - Quote I can't afford a computer that could handle Star Citizen, it's worse than PS2. If CCP went this way (which they can't as explained above) then a lot of people will be having to upgrade their stuff. ~ Seeker of the Quafe
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2399	Posted - 2015.02.24 09:24:00 - [15] - Quote While it would be great for EVE or Dust or Legion or whatever to be like star citizen in 10 years time... it'd be like trying to bring out a competitor to WoW now... wayyyyyy too late. This is why people talking about Dust moving to PS4 is silly. If CCP decided tomorrow to move over it'd take them so long that the window of opportunity would have passed. And we'd be back to where we were with Dust coming out on a console that was at the end of it's life span and then we'd be demanding Dust on our PS5's. We'll bang, OK?
Billi Gene 528	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:21:00 - [16] - Quote fairly sure my SLI 880 laptop would blow a gasket on the first load of Star Citizen, which is a shame, its exactly the game i've been praying would get made for the last 30 years, Occulus and SC would kill me i am sure.... Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2682	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:37:00 - [17] - Quote Star Citizen? Really? If you want to compare it with that you have to compare it to Dusts promises. Star Citizen has even less to show for its depth than Dust. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 662	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:48:00 - [18] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Do you want to fly spaceships? Go ahead! Do you want to battle over a planet in real time with 1000s of other players just like you that you can actually interact with (not current system with it broken up into 16vs16 over districts) but with you attacking a planet and moving across the planet to each point and capturing the planet in real time with no loading screen. Or you can interact with players in a social environment within stations and board your or friends ships in real time and explore them in real time. It's really hard for me to get out what I'm trying to say, basically think really ambitious CCP. EVE has lasted 10+ years, another 10 years and we should be able to explore every corner of it. So basically be really ambitious CCP I swear I remember hearing from someone at CCP saying this was what they were aiming for. I think Rouge mentioned it during the wedding, or I could just be delirious. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Draxus Prime T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 4269	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:53:00 - [19] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: fairly sure my SLI 880 laptop would blow a gasket on the first load of Star Citizen, which is a shame, its exactly the game i've been praying would get made for the last 30 years, Occulus and SC would kill me i am sure.... The 800 series of gpus are laptop and mobile... "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout
Billi Gene 528	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:58:00 - [20] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Billi Gene wrote: fairly sure my SLI 880 laptop would blow a gasket on the first load of Star Citizen, which is a shame, its exactly the game i've been praying would get made for the last 30 years, Occulus and SC would kill me i am sure.... The 800 series of gpus are laptop and mobile... i disagree as i clearly stated above? ... or are you saying that i should be some sort of console purist if i wish to remain playing DUST? /confused /needs_moar_salt Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 840	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:08:00 - [21] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: So what should CCP do? They should work on their own ideas, but probably not on a console they have trouble working with. CCP have some good concepts, I'd like to think their programmers aren't terrible, but just struggle with the architecture (although my insulting nature doesn't tend to reflect this this opinion.) If they can milk the funds out of this, it would be nice to see what they can do with legion.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 456	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:20:00 - [22] - Quote I pledged for SC a while back, and have one of the sub 100Gé¼ game packages. My rig is one graphics update away from giving me reasonable frame rates (PhenomX6 1055 T with a HD 5750 GPU gives me barely playable framerates on lowest setting in 1920x1080). Anyway, this game has so much potential, and it's programmed to grow from the start, by a very dedicated developer team and a very good community team. SC might not live to all expectations, but it will have loads of content to explore and not just a text adventure with shiny graphics like eve has (pve). The PVP part will probably be not any less fascinating as EVE, but without a big portion of the griefing that many in EVE love but many more hate beyond anything. F'or me that sounds very promising, and I'd be willing to dump some money in my rig to play that. If I have to move to a PC to play DUST or legion, I don't know why I shouldn't play SC instead...? ON PS4 Dust Legion would be unique, on PC the competition by SC is very big, maybe insurmountable... I believe that Dust has potential, but only if the NPE is the main focus to bring player count up. It doesn't matter if CCP is making new shiny for the vets, since with no new players seeing a reason to stick to the game, even the vets will get bored to play the same guys in pc over and over again... Dust needs more players period! Give them the drone infestation PVE, that was promised ages ago, like in EVE we need PVE for newer players to train their skill! Otherwise this game won't move on, you can't just milk the same small amount of players over and over again...
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3595	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:22:00 - [23] - Quote Tbh i love what SC and elite and EvE are doing they are all offering us amaze balls scifi experiences each in their own cool setting). I really want each game to do well because frankly they can all learn and build off each other and allow gamers to find the perfect space sim they are looking for. For me EvE Valk is finally going to let me relive the wing commander and xwing vs tie fighter days of space dogfighting You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 2025	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:29:00 - [24] - Quote Trailer looks great, but I have a feeling I need a computer that costs as much as a new house in order to play it. I'm glad that the people who made the trailer said "using the in-game engine". Nothing looks pre-rendered or touched up to overhype. However, I wonder how many of those are cutscenes and how much gameplay. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
Billi Gene 528	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:29:00 - [25] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: The PVP part will probably be not any less fascinating as EVE, but without a big portion of the griefing that many in EVE love but many more hate beyond anything. F'or me that sounds very promising, and I'd be willing to dump some money in my rig to play that. If I have to move to a PC to play DUST or legion, I don't know why I shouldn't play SC instead...? ON PS4 Dust Legion would be unique, on PC the competition by SC is very big, maybe insurmountable... I believe that Dust has potential, but only if the NPE is the main focus to bring player count up. It doesn't matter if CCP is making new shiny for the vets, since with no new players seeing a reason to stick to the game, even the vets will get bored to play the same guys in pc over and over again... Dust needs more players period! Give them the drone infestation PVE, that was promised ages ago, like in EVE we need PVE for newer players to train their skill! Otherwise this game won't move on, you can't just milk the same small amount of players over and over again... EvE survives not just because of its vets, but because the new player retention is enough to slowly grow the game. DUST is only in the same universe as EvE because thats what the Devs said, the reality is that DUSTs mechanics allow for even less community self-policing than EvE. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 456	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:38:00 - [26] - Quote In my opinion, the NPE is the biggest problem of DUST right now. The newbs get slaughtered when they come out of academy and most only can handle so much, and finally just leave the game. IN EVE you can fly around for years without having too much trouble with vets stomping you into oblivion. So you can build up skills and adapt to the game. Dust is not like that at all. You get stomped by a much higher skill opponent who plays in packs and uses comms, while you might not have figured out what an uplink is good for, or that shooting the MCC with installations doesn't help your team at all... This is just pathetic and bad game design by CCP. If they don't change that, DUST won't grow, and it needs to grow, to fund more shiney for the vets to stay interested...
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3596	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:00:00 - [27] - Quote To be fair the dude who designed dust got sacked by ccp along with a number of others who made bad calls. So ccp acknowledged it went wrong. And least the new team understand what EvE is Gÿ¦ You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
mollerz 6167	Posted - 2015.02.24 18:24:00 - [28] - Quote Outside of the genre each game is based in- CCP and RSI don't have much in common. It's not too hard, if you really look at the situation, to see CCP is struggling and will most likely fade away over time due to mismanagement. I know no one in this thread is going to care about that, but it's important to preface any talk about RSI and CCP with that in mind. They are two different companies led by two very different people. Helmar is no Chris Roberts- That is for ***** damn sure. I like Chris Roberts. I am in awe of what he has accomplished over his entire career. I also love seeing what he's done with SC. It's pre-alpha and it is already shaping up to be *** excellent. As far as how they interface with their community, it's the real reason why it is easy to see that RSI is going to accomplish what they are setting out to do. It is unprecedented. I have never seen a developer crowdsource this much money. It's never been done before so rightly so. It is what it is and that in of itself, is no guarantee of a good game. However, when you see the way they interface with their community, how they truly go out of their way to address concerns, rectify issues, give timely ETAs, etc. Chris Roberts is extremely approachable as well. Keep in mind they routinely expose their code and development concepts. It's just an amazing direction I hope the rest of the industry embraces. Anyway- this is going to be a big year for RSI and SC, and i am looking forward to it. Disclaimer- I already liquified 4billion isk in funds/ships/etc and gave it all away to nos nothi, cancelled my eve account, and dust is going to go the same route just as soon as I can give my ** away. CCP lost me as a customer permanently with their terrible mismanagement of dust. And frankly, IMHO, they are going to be struggling like hell to keep up with RSI. Good luck with that lolz
TEBOW BAGGINS 1654	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote yea i might try to repair this pos dell xps 8100 i bought on a whim.. big mistake buying that was in 2010. i might as well have bought a refurbished XBOX 360.. but it definately wont be solely to play legion. there are many indy player driven and voxel based games out there worth way more than legion. space engineer, kergal space program, RUST, planetside 2, DayZ, just to name a few.. sit thru another 3 year quasi beta for legion? no thanks.


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