I've seen so many people suggest similar ideas. And I agree with them 100%

Unfortunately the "Dancer's Club" comes in to defend their crutch nine times out of ten.

I can't hit moving targets. Please nerf moving.

I've seen so many people suggest similar ideas. And I agree with them 100%

Unfortunately the "Dancer's Club" comes in to defend their crutch nine times out of ten.

Why is it that our all around 360 directional speed is the same at all times?

I think as soon as I see a red dot he should have to stop moving. He shouldn't be able to begin firing until I've removed his shields and been given time to reload.

Strafing is okay.
Wiggle wiggle to break hit detection is not okay.

Would you like something for that butthurt sir?

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realistic sense, realistic reasons, unrealistic

The "wiggle wiggle to break hit detection" only works in slow framerate situations. Maybe 5% or 10% of your encounters...at most.

The rest of the time being outstrafed means you simply don't have good enough gun game, relatively speaking.

Movement and the ability to aim through it is not a crutch; it's a skill every FPS player should have.

The "wiggle wiggle to break hit detection" only works in slow framerate situations. Maybe 5% or 10% of your encounters...at most.

The rest of the time being outstrafed means you simply don't have good enough gun game, relatively speaking.

On this we don't agree because framerate issues are far to common in this game to have hit detection also being an issue.

Mistaking this for "gun game" is a fallacy. Gun game is of an opinion, not a iron nails fact.

I can claim I have gun game, but you can disagree simply because my style of shooting is "stand and deliver", for example, while your own is "shoot, move, shoot".

You could prefer "strafe fire", or "splash mass cas".

To say strafing is gun game, is to say only fps'ers with rifles have it. I.e. ScR, CR, AR, and RR. Is the mass driver, in the right hands, not gun game? PLC users must have gun game to use such a weapon, and survive right?

This discussion isn't about who's got "gun game", and who doesn't by any one person or groups judgement. As always it's more about whether or not strafing does indeed effect hit detection mechanics, or not?

One would think that it does since recently a good percentage of players switched to min assault, and started strafing. Not because they felt the suit yielded more "gun game", but more it can avoid greater amounts of dmg with strafing than most other suits.

Disagreed on both counts.

Strafing is okay.
Wiggle wiggle to break hit detection is not okay.

I am so fucking tired of having players run up to me and wiggle strafe WAY faster than I can, I know I hit them, I see the blue shields and everything but my shota do not register. This is abusing the mechanic. And it appears Leadfoot and Paglium are supporting such broken and exploitable mechanic.

This is not about gungame. This is about this game having horrible hit detection amd the wiggle strafe making it worse. Especially on players that appear to be spassing out all over my screen. I die and they win because 50-60% of my shots did not registered and most of his did. Now if you telling I have poor gungame because of an exploitable mechanic and horrible hit detection. Okay then.

All I know is that when (if) strafe speed inertia is added (making is so you slow down before going to the other direction when moving left and right) A LOT of this wiggle strafers will start to die and rage at the game because their tactic of running up to someone in a speed suit and spass out all over the place will no longer be valid and *gasp* you would actually need PROPER gungame rather than exploiting a horrible hit detection and breaking it with wiggle strafe.

And on that day I will bring out my tear cup and joyfully collect the tears of all ScouyAssaults (mostly CalScouts) and MinAss ans drink them with joy knowing that they would need actual skill to kill people and exploiting a broken game mechanic.

Shocking, I know.

EDIT: Fixed some typos

The "wiggle wiggle to break hit detection" only works in slow framerate situations. Maybe 5% or 10% of your encounters...at most.

The rest of the time being outstrafed means you simply don't have good enough gun game, relatively speaking.

Movement and the ability to aim through it is not a crutch; it's a skill every FPS player should have.

Fair enough, but will you please humor me...

If it's not 5% or 10%, then what % of encounters do you figure you've got bad hit detection on?

If during those situations where you're not getting slow framerates and the resulting poor hit detection, what do you attribute your deaths to if not the other guy's better gun game?

Lastly, if I can kill Min Assaults/Cal Scouts and you can't, how would you explain the different observations if it is not gun game?

Curiously yours, Leadfoot

I think you need to tune your sarcasm detector.

A person who uses his MD or PC to kill people has gun game.

So do you, if you can "stand and deliver" faster than your target kills you.

But when people, mostly those who lack a gun game (i.e. not situationally aware, have poor aim, stand still while shooting and wonder why they die, etc.), all say the same thing (i.e. "slow down strafing", "implement stronger inertia", etc.) -- and all the while ignorant of how Dust actually works (lol @ left/right being same as forward/back) -- then you get responses like the ones I've offered in this thread.

Just like the myth of the "broken Cal Scout hitbox" that preceded it -- it is simply QQ born out of ignorance and stoked by groupthink.

Does Dust have hit detection issues with fast moving objects during slow framerate? Yes, it does.
Is it half as bad as many of these forum posts would have you believe? No.
Is it really just QQ by mostly those who aren't particularly skilled in FPS games? Yes, if you ask me.

And by the way, slayers will always gravitate to suits that move fast and pack a punch -- the Min Assault being the latest in that line -- and strafing has been a part of FPS games since their inception, and for good reason.

And before you ask, I run Gal Assault mostly, and I'm not particularly skilled myself with a paltry 2.05 KDR at last check -- but I recognize players better than me when I see them.

Again, all opinion not fact.

Better than me in a single aspect, in this game, doesn't mean better than me in general. You know that for sure. I know you run gal assault. We run the same suit, among others, and when referring to cal scout and Min assault hit detection the framerate+hit detection issues show up much more with them. That's why they stand out. Not because "omg his gun game"?!

I'm not taking anything away from anyone's precious pew pew skills, but.... wait.... what was the topic....

Oh yes, movement speeds.

Question.... if the "gun game" is so raw then why does inertia to movement being added so taboo? As you say most slayers will just adjust right?

I've seen so many people suggest similar ideas. And I agree with them 100%

Unfortunately the "Dancer's Club" comes in to defend their crutch nine times out of ten.

1. Movement mechanics creates higher than comparatively fair EHP (speed tanking) and breaks hit detection

and

2. Movement is unfair QQ.

The first is arguable. The second is not.