DUST Search - So the Ion Pistol...

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Nocturnal Soul wrote:

The Ion pistol is miles ahead of every pistol besides the Bolt and breach. I honestly don't know what you're complaining about, if this gun was Amarrian it'd be my go to side arm.

It leaves you vulnerable if it doesn't kill with the charged shot. Also the range is bad, the dispersion is wide and the semi auto is ok.

In all honesty I prefer the Assault Scrambler Pistol because it's consistent against high HP enemies. The Ion Pistol is good against fast and low HP enemies because it can usually finish them off, but it struggles a lot against high HP enemies particularly those with high armor.

I know what you're thinking: ' the Scrambler Pistol struggles more against Armor'. On paper that's true, but in my experience the low dispersion of the standard Scrambler Pistol more than makes up for the decreased damage to armor. The Assault Scrambler Pistol also does well because of its rate of fire. The Burst Scrambler Pistol is bad at hip fire but does MAD damage when you ADS and is my preferred Sniper sidearm. The Breach of course has a potent head shot. Bolt Pistol is amazing as long as you hit, which isn't as difficult as one would think. The Flaylock just destroys people (Take off shields and half of armor with CRand then spam the GN-13).

So why do I even use the Ion Pistol? Mostly because I want to keep my Gallente Assault as racially correct as possible. If I just wanted versatility then the Scrambler Pistol would be my weapon of choice.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7611	Posted - 2015.02.23 13:17:00 - [1] - Quote ... Does anyone else feel like the Gallente Assault proficiency is basically necessary to use it against strafers? Seriously, the dispersion, as well as the recoil, on that thing feels ridiculous and overwhelming when coupled with the heat up mechanic. So to anyone that says the Gallente Assault proficiency is useless, I totally disagree. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4321	Posted - 2015.02.23 13:25:00 - [2] - Quote I seem to see it being used pretty frequently, although I've never had any luck with it (admittedly I've fitted it all of three times and only actually attacked someone with it twice). Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'. And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7612	Posted - 2015.02.23 13:36:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I seem to see it being used pretty frequently, although I've never had any luck with it (admittedly I've fitted it all of three times and only actually attacked someone with it twice). It's hard when it hits but it is very easy to miss and the heat buildup doesn't forgive missing even on semi auto. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15260	Posted - 2015.02.23 13:37:00 - [4] - Quote A weapon needs to be able to stand up on its own before bonuses. The Ion Pistol does not compare well to the others when you consider that the majority of your DPS is wasted due to shots never being on target, and the charge shot is a gamble at best. If your weapon needs a bonus to be on par with other weapons, the weapon is broken. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
IVIaster LUKE 770	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:01:00 - [5] - Quote On a side note. It seems like the Scrambler Pistol got a ninja buff. Can fire bullets as fast as I pull the trigger now, just like old times. =ƒÖÇ Angels Trumpets =ƒÄ¦ & Devils Trombones=ƒô» You are cordially invited. =ƒÄá
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5478	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:04:00 - [6] - Quote IVIaster LUKE wrote: On a side note. It seems like the Scrambler Pistol got a ninja buff. Can fire bullets as fast as I pull the trigger now, just like old times. =ƒÖÇ What!!!!! (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
IVIaster LUKE 770	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:12:00 - [7] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: IVIaster LUKE wrote: On a side note. It seems like the Scrambler Pistol got a ninja buff. Can fire bullets as fast as I pull the trigger now, just like old times. =ƒÖÇ What!!!!! Yes sir! Was running duel scrambler pistols on a "Thale" dropsuit lastnight. =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè Angels Trumpets =ƒÄ¦ & Devils Trombones=ƒô» You are cordially invited. =ƒÄá
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1719	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:13:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: the weapon is broken. Kubo would like to have a word with you.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5481	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:24:00 - [9] - Quote Dust User wrote: Cat Merc wrote: the weapon is broken. Kubo would like to have a word with you. Oh you mean that guy who got 3 officer weapons named after himself.... I'm pretty sure he's a cut above the usual breed. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3275	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:26:00 - [10] - Quote I've got the bonus.... ...and still prefer the BrScP.

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15261	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:36:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Dust User wrote: Cat Merc wrote: the weapon is broken. Kubo would like to have a word with you. Oh you mean that guy who got 3 officer weapons named after himself.... I'm pretty sure he's a cut above the usual breed. Never said I can't use the weapon to great effect, heck I killed Kubo himself with a charged shot. But I cannot say that the weapon is as good as the rest without feeling like I'm lying to myself. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2408	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:43:00 - [12] - Quote The Ion Pistol and most Scrambler Pistol variants are in need of buffing. Home at Last <3
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6327	Posted - 2015.02.23 15:09:00 - [13] - Quote The Ion Pistol has recoil? Also, um, not really. I use it just fine without sharpshooter outside the assault suit.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7613	Posted - 2015.02.23 15:28:00 - [14] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The Ion Pistol has recoil? Also, um, not really. I use it just fine without sharpshooter outside the assault suit. It does for me. Feels like it's about to jump out of my mercs hand. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Grand Master Kubo PIanet Express Smart Deploy 332	Posted - 2015.02.23 15:29:00 - [15] - Quote The Ion Pistol is the best sidearm for close-quarters one on one engagements. To use it efficiently you have to know when to charge shot and when to spam fire. Unfortunately, Cat Merc was right. The officer Ion Pistol is underwhelming and there is very little reason to use it over the proto Ion Pistol. Maybe I'm just conditioned to seeing a huge leap from proto to officer like for the plasma cannon.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2281	Posted - 2015.02.23 15:43:00 - [16] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The Ion Pistol has recoil? Also, um, not really. I use it just fine without sharpshooter outside the assault suit. Same here... The charge is OP if used correctly and with one box for cover. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7613	Posted - 2015.02.23 15:44:00 - [17] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: The Ion Pistol is the best sidearm for close-quarters one on one engagements. To use it efficiently you have to know when to charge shot and when to spam fire. Unfortunately, Cat Merc was right. The officer Ion Pistol is underwhelming and there is very little reason to use it over the proto Ion Pistol. Maybe I'm just conditioned to seeing a huge leap from proto to officer like for the plasma cannon. I remember when I first skilled into the Ion Pistol I joined a match that was about to end and killed you twice with the standard Ion Pistol. Pure luck shot because you were strafing mad and we were at the Gallente Research Facility. I was stressed too cause you were using the Bolt Pistol. Match ended with me killing you twice and you killing me once. Pretty interesting match. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens 420	Posted - 2015.02.23 16:19:00 - [18] - Quote The Ion pistol is broken in other ways too, one of the few weapons that doesn't have an absolute range, that is, no damage is registered beyond the effective range marking. www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7615	Posted - 2015.02.23 17:13:00 - [19] - Quote Cyrus Grevare wrote: The Ion pistol is broken in other ways too, one of the few weapons that doesn't have an absolute range, that is, no damage is registered beyond the effective range marking. That actually means that it has a short absolute range. Shorter or as short as the Flaylock. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2281	Posted - 2015.02.23 17:35:00 - [20] - Quote Cyrus Grevare wrote: The Ion pistol is broken in other ways too, one of the few weapons that doesn't have an absolute range, that is, no damage is registered beyond the effective range marking. That is fine... Just get rid of the weird glitch where it randomly explodes again after a charge shot. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 743	Posted - 2015.02.23 17:51:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A weapon needs to be able to stand up on its own before bonuses. The Ion Pistol does not compare well to the others when you consider that the majority of your DPS is wasted due to shots never being on target, and the charge shot is a gamble at best. If your weapon needs a bonus to be on par with other weapons, the weapon is broken. This Just because some mercs go the extra mile to be good with it doesn't make it good. You don't even need points into the bolt pistol for it to F you up. "Anybody order chaos?"
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5490	Posted - 2015.02.23 17:56:00 - [22] - Quote The Ion pistol is miles ahead of every pistol besides the Bolt and breach. I honestly don't know what you're complaining about, if this gun was Amarrian it'd be my go to side arm. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7615	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:13:00 - [23] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The Ion pistol is miles ahead of every pistol besides the Bolt and breach. I honestly don't know what you're complaining about, if this gun was Amarrian it'd be my go to side arm. It leaves you vulnerable if it doesn't kill with the charged shot. Also the range is bad, the dispersion is wide and the semi auto is ok. In all honesty I prefer the Assault Scrambler Pistol because it's consistent against high HP enemies. The Ion Pistol is good against fast and low HP enemies because it can usually finish them off, but it struggles a lot against high HP enemies particularly those with high armor. I know what you're thinking: ' the Scrambler Pistol struggles more against Armor'. On paper that's true, but in my experience the low dispersion of the standard Scrambler Pistol more than makes up for the decreased damage to armor. The Assault Scrambler Pistol also does well because of its rate of fire. The Burst Scrambler Pistol is bad at hip fire but does MAD damage when you ADS and is my preferred Sniper sidearm. The Breach of course has a potent head shot. Bolt Pistol is amazing as long as you hit, which isn't as difficult as one would think. The Flaylock just destroys people (Take off shields and half of armor with CRand then spam the GN-13). So why do I even use the Ion Pistol? Mostly because I want to keep my Gallente Assault as racially correct as possible. If I just wanted versatility then the Scrambler Pistol would be my weapon of choice. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5491	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:34:00 - [24] - Quote The overheat on it is so non existent its laughable at best plus the dispersion is good enough to accurately enough to kill a player within 15m. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens 421	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:45:00 - [25] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Cyrus Grevare wrote: The Ion pistol is broken in other ways too, one of the few weapons that doesn't have an absolute range, that is, no damage is registered beyond the effective range marking. That actually means that it has a short absolute range. Shorter or as short as the Flaylock. I understand that the Ion Pistol is intended for short range, it's not that the absolute range is short, on the SDE (mFireMode0.absoluteRange) it's marked as -1, to me it looks like a mistake, Take the following examples Militia Shotgun ABS range: 20m Militia Scrambler Pistol: 125m Militia Bolt Pistol: 125m Ion Pistol does not do damage beyond effective range. www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2408	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:50:00 - [26] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The Ion pistol is miles ahead of every pistol besides the Bolt and breach. I honestly don't know what you're complaining about, if this gun was Amarrian it'd be my go to side arm. It leaves you vulnerable if it doesn't kill with the charged shot. Also the range is bad, the dispersion is wide and the semi auto is ok. In all honesty I prefer the Assault Scrambler Pistol because it's consistent against high HP enemies. The Ion Pistol is good against fast and low HP enemies because it can usually finish them off, but it struggles a lot against high HP enemies particularly those with high armor. I know what you're thinking: ' the Scrambler Pistol struggles more against Armor'. On paper that's true, but in my experience the low dispersion of the standard Scrambler Pistol more than makes up for the decreased damage to armor. The Assault Scrambler Pistol also does well because of its rate of fire. The Burst Scrambler Pistol is bad at hip fire but does MAD damage when you ADS and is my preferred Sniper sidearm. The Breach of course has a potent head shot. Bolt Pistol is amazing as long as you hit, which isn't as difficult as one would think. The Flaylock just destroys people (Take off shields and half of armor with CRand then spam the GN-13). So why do I even use the Ion Pistol? Mostly because I want to keep my Gallente Assault as racially correct as possible. If I just wanted versatility then the Scrambler Pistol would be my weapon of choice. "Your weapon is better than mine!" "No yours!" "No, you!" Blah blah blah, ect... Can't we all agree that they are both terrible when compared to SMGs and Bolt Pistols? Even Magsecs are better... Home at Last <3
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2408	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:54:00 - [27] - Quote In fact, I'm noticing a trend whereas the armor damage sidearms are consistently better than the shield damage ones... This is broken. By their very nature armor damage sidearms will be preferable backup or finisher weapons, but being outright better as well? Home at Last <3
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17216	Posted - 2015.02.23 20:04:00 - [28] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Does anyone else feel like the Gallente Assault proficiency is basically necessary to use it against strafers? Seriously, the dispersion, as well as the recoil, on that thing feels ridiculous and overwhelming when coupled with the heat up mechanic. So to anyone that says the Gallente Assault proficiency is useless, I totally disagree. Nope. I was using the Viz ScR and the Black Eagles Assault Rifle combo the other day and may god when I ran out of ScR rounds that Plasma Rifle just kept me alive killing things. I think the whole 70 rounds in a magazine is more than enough to keep it effective against strafers. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15263	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:24:00 - [29] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: The Ion Pistol is the best sidearm for close-quarters one on one engagements. To use it efficiently you have to know when to charge shot and when to spam fire. Unfortunately, Cat Merc was right. The officer Ion Pistol is underwhelming and there is very little reason to use it over the proto Ion Pistol. Maybe I'm just conditioned to seeing a huge leap from proto to officer like for the plasma cannon. Yes, you need to know those factors to use it efficiently. But even at max efficiency, without a Gal Assault, would you say the IoP is subpar? Most of the theoretical DPS gets lost in hipfire from my experience, and the charge shot is a damn problematic gamble when even with perfect accuracy you are likely to miss 60% of the time out at 5 meters vs scouts. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15263	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:25:00 - [30] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Cyrus Grevare wrote: The Ion pistol is broken in other ways too, one of the few weapons that doesn't have an absolute range, that is, no damage is registered beyond the effective range marking. That actually means that it has a short absolute range. Shorter or as short as the Flaylock. Nope, it's absolute range is set at -1, which means it literally stops at effective. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15263	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:27:00 - [31] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The overheat on it is so non existent its laughable at best plus the dispersion is good enough to accurately enough to kill a player within 15m. The heat is one of the most random features of the weapon. You can spam R1 the exact same way every time and I swear it gives you different results. Sometimes the heat reaches half, sometimes it overheats before you finish half the mag. It's disgustingly unreliable. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15263	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:28:00 - [32] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: In fact, I'm noticing a trend whereas the armor damage sidearms are consistently better than the shield damage ones... This is broken. By their very nature armor damage sidearms will be preferable backup or finisher weapons, but being outright better as well? Pretty much. I made this observation a long time ago, and posted it here. Nobody gave a damn, so whatever VoV Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15264	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:29:00 - [33] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Does anyone else feel like the Gallente Assault proficiency is basically necessary to use it against strafers? Seriously, the dispersion, as well as the recoil, on that thing feels ridiculous and overwhelming when coupled with the heat up mechanic. So to anyone that says the Gallente Assault proficiency is useless, I totally disagree. Nope. I was using the Viz ScR and the Black Eagles Assault Rifle combo the other day and may god when I ran out of ScR rounds that Plasma Rifle just kept me alive killing things. I think the whole 70 rounds in a magazine is more than enough to keep it effective against strafers. You know he was talking about the Ion Pistol, right? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17216	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:30:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Does anyone else feel like the Gallente Assault proficiency is basically necessary to use it against strafers? Seriously, the dispersion, as well as the recoil, on that thing feels ridiculous and overwhelming when coupled with the heat up mechanic. So to anyone that says the Gallente Assault proficiency is useless, I totally disagree. Nope. I was using the Viz ScR and the Black Eagles Assault Rifle combo the other day and may god when I ran out of ScR rounds that Plasma Rifle just kept me alive killing things. I think the whole 70 rounds in a magazine is more than enough to keep it effective against strafers. You know he was talking about the Ion Pistol, right? Nope. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7615	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:32:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Does anyone else feel like the Gallente Assault proficiency is basically necessary to use it against strafers? Seriously, the dispersion, as well as the recoil, on that thing feels ridiculous and overwhelming when coupled with the heat up mechanic. So to anyone that says the Gallente Assault proficiency is useless, I totally disagree. Nope. I was using the Viz ScR and the Black Eagles Assault Rifle combo the other day and may god when I ran out of ScR rounds that Plasma Rifle just kept me alive killing things. I think the whole 70 rounds in a magazine is more than enough to keep it effective against strafers. I feel like you didn't really read my post at all. I'm talking about the Ion Pistol: not the AR. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17216	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:43:00 - [36] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Does anyone else feel like the Gallente Assault proficiency is basically necessary to use it against strafers? Seriously, the dispersion, as well as the recoil, on that thing feels ridiculous and overwhelming when coupled with the heat up mechanic. So to anyone that says the Gallente Assault proficiency is useless, I totally disagree. Nope. I was using the Viz ScR and the Black Eagles Assault Rifle combo the other day and may god when I ran out of ScR rounds that Plasma Rifle just kept me alive killing things. I think the whole 70 rounds in a magazine is more than enough to keep it effective against strafers. I feel like you didn't really read my post at all. I'm talking about the Ion Pistol: not the AR. Your post was boring. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 459	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:45:00 - [37] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I seem to see it being used pretty frequently, although I've never had any luck with it (admittedly I've fitted it all of three times and only actually attacked someone with it twice). It's hard when it hits but it is very easy to miss and the heat buildup doesn't forgive missing even on semi auto. There isnt enough heat build up to overheat the weapon unless you are charging the weapon on accident.
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 11	Posted - 2015.02.23 21:51:00 - [38] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Does anyone else feel like the Gallente Assault proficiency is basically necessary to use it against strafers? Seriously, the dispersion, as well as the recoil, on that thing feels ridiculous and overwhelming when coupled with the heat up mechanic. So to anyone that says the Gallente Assault proficiency is useless, I totally disagree. I agree that the bonus is usefull One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?


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