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Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 1	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:15:00 - [1] - Quote Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2174	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:20:00 - [2] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? nope Who wants some?
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 873	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:26:00 - [3] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? No. We defend ScR with better arguments, like : 1. You need specialized suit to be competetive with ScR. Other guns are good on every suit. 2. Heat build up and dmg profile. Few missed shoots and you're screwed. And for the end, why would we nerf something that most don't use? I can only see : CR, ARR all over the place. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3046	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:26:00 - [4] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? No, but thanks for playing. KDR matchmaking would patch all the patches into pure patchitudity.
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 3	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:38:00 - [5] - Quote I have a feeling this will be shown later...... One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 549	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:41:00 - [6] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2177	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:44:00 - [7] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Well since you brought it up. The CR is OP Who wants some?
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 549	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:47:00 - [8] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Well since you brought it up. The CR is OP Now throw down some useful evidence and detailed account of how the CR kills you in two shots. I've said this before, if we had a Charge shot like you guys, you'd be QQ'ing so hard that there'd be an extra Q in the alphabet. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5436	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:49:00 - [9] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2178	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:50:00 - [10] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Well since you brought it up. The CR is OP Now throw down some useful evidence and detailed account of how the CR kills you in two shots. I've said this before, if we had a Charge shot like you guys, you'd be QQ'ing so hard that there'd be an extra Q in the alphabet. Can't we have this fight in one of the minmatar crybaby threads. Who wants some?

maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 206	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:21:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15694	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:33:00 - [12] - Quote Yes, every thread within 1 year involving a SCR nerf has mentioned the CR. Mejt0 wrote: No. We defend ScR with better arguments I can only see : CR, ARR all over the place. Ironically all of the arguments you listed are heavily flawed. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:39:00 - [13] - Quote From where I stand I was just saying how it was funny. But..... let's go here... amarr assaults have a reduction to heat building up.... which affects the heat build up of the charge shot as well.... which I should know from both ends.... the minmitar assault as a clip increase which only allows them to kill more armour based units in a clip, or a single shield stacked unit. Yet the amount of damage the CR does to armour is questionable alongside the amount of damage to shield the SCR does. One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2149	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:07:00 - [14] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? So what you are saying is both should be nerfed? That is a little rough man but if you say it needs to happen, so be it. I dunno if i'd go that route but i'll trust you on this one. XD TLDR : XD
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:07:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yes, every thread within 1 year involving a SCR nerf has mentioned the CR.. Thank you. One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5437	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:09:00 - [16] - Quote maluble wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********. Never knew the scr did 300 damage a shot to shields (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2265	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:10:00 - [17] - Quote Both are OP... Everything is OP, just they are slightly more OP, so everyone uses them, making them appear very OP. Nerf TTK in general and they won't be so OP anymore. ScR will overheat every engagement, and CR will... still be OP. Oops Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:14:00 - [18] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: maluble wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********. Never knew the scr did 300 damage a shot to shields Oh now that is funny... Just funny. It can easily do over 300. One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
VAHZZ 513	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:17:00 - [19] - Quote The ScR is balanced as helI, I don't see a reason to Nerf it. Enlighten me with your FAQ's, because I have yet to see feasible cause for a Nerf. ~ Seeker of the Quafe
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4317	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:23:00 - [20] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. i oneshotted a calscout with my scrambler the other day it was a breach scrambler pistol, but still Atiim wrote: Yes, every thread within 1 year involving a SCR nerf has mentioned the CR. Quite a call to make. Atiim wrote: Mejt0 wrote: No. We defend ScR with better arguments, like : 1. You need specialized suit to be competetive with ScR. Other guns are good on every suit. 2. Heat build up and dmg profile. Few missed shoots and you're screwed. Ironically all of the arguments you listed are heavily flawed. Please, be more specific. Only one suit can make effective use of the Scrambler Rifle (relative to the use that same suit will make with any other of the rifles). Other suits can use it well enough, true, but you won't be seeing much play with it outside pub matches. My CalScout can utilise it pretty efficiently, or it could until I realised that a scrambler pistol did the same job only better. As for heat build up and damage profile, well, good luck assaulting that room with an overheated gun because you thought you could use ScR without AmAss. Damage profile... well, we have a damage bonus to the smaller EHP pool. That 1200 armour heavy suit will take 1440 damage to take down, plus shields. I really can't see how these two arguments are heavily flawed. Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'. And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.

Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 406	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:30:00 - [21] - Quote And, I guess it needs saying... a combat rifle isn't going to kill you for spamming the trigger like a newbie during a fire fight. And yes, I've done this very thing... with depressing frequency. T,T
Questionable Virginity Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:34:00 - [22] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. But dat CR.
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:38:00 - [23] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: And, I guess it needs saying... a combat rifle isn't going to kill you for spamming the trigger like a newbie during a fire fight. And yes, I've done this very thing... with depressing frequency. T,T Want to try a TacAR? Same thing as CR and Burst AR. Yet I guess until data will show which is more OP One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:48:00 - [24] - Quote Questionable Virginity wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. But dat CR. The CR is considered OP by the fact people rarely properly stack shielding. So that is where the ARR , RR , CR , etc. Are considered OP. The SCR is considered UP do to the same reason the CR is considered OP. Yet most armour stackers Don't feel the armour damage reduction of laser based weaponry. One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 615	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:55:00 - [25] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Both are OP... Everything is OP, just they are slightly more OP, so everyone uses them, making them appear very OP. Nerf TTK in general and they won't be so OP anymore. ScR will overheat every engagement, and CR will... still be OP. Oops Instead of reading these threads as "X is OP" and "Nerf X" I read them as "TTK is getting way too short and I primarily notice it when facing X" Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15697	Posted - 2015.02.21 05:38:00 - [26] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, every thread within 1 year involving a SCR nerf has mentioned the CR. Quite a call to make. Disprove me. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: Ironically all of the arguments you listed are heavily flawed. Please, be more specific. Sure. 1. SCRs can be used effectively on-Non Amarr Assault Dropsuits, and plenty of other weapons rely on bonuses from a dropsuit to excel competitively (NKs, PLCs, SLs, etc). 2. Missing shots with any weapon (bar HMGs) will get you killed against a player of equal or greater competence, barring the luckiest of lucky situations. 2a. The drawback of overheating is no different than the drawback of having to reload, as the seize time is similar to that of a reload and the damage dealt before overheating (~1500 HP) to the damage per magazines found in other rifles (~1840 HP). 3. Usage is irrelevant. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1970	Posted - 2015.02.21 06:07:00 - [27] - Quote I'd just like to see something to compete with it. As it stands, the Scrambler is one of a kind. There's nothing else in the same category (TAC AR doesn't have nearly enough range) and thus nothing to really compare it to. Perhaps once we get that Minmatar Precision Rifle, complaints concerning it will quiet down a bit. I want to punch.
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 145	Posted - 2015.02.21 06:12:00 - [28] - Quote I wouldn't say that the ScR is OP, but I would say that it is exceptionally effective against Minmatar assault fits. I'd guess that a healthy bit of that effectiveness is due to people running ferroscale to take advantage of the native speed bonus.
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 31	Posted - 2015.02.21 07:05:00 - [29] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: maluble wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********. Never knew the scr did 300 damage a shot to shields Ive been hit with 1.2k damage from a viziam from one shot
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5439	Posted - 2015.02.21 11:52:00 - [30] - Quote No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots your scrub so please exit thread. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!

Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5439	Posted - 2015.02.21 11:53:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, every thread within 1 year involving a SCR nerf has mentioned the CR. Quite a call to make. Disprove me. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: Ironically all of the arguments you listed are heavily flawed. Please, be more specific. Sure. 1. SCRs can be used effectively on-Non Amarr Assault Dropsuits, and plenty of other weapons rely on bonuses from a dropsuit to excel competitively (NKs, PLCs, SLs, etc). 2. Missing shots with any weapon (bar HMGs) will get you killed against a player of equal or greater competence, barring the luckiest of lucky situations. 2a. The drawback of overheating is no different than the drawback of having to reload, as the seize time is similar to that of a reload and the damage dealt before overheating (~1500 HP) to the damage per magazines found in other rifles (~1840 HP). 3. Usage is irrelevant. Except the fact you can't sprint, reload, or switch to a side arm...yup that's very similar (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 557	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:04:00 - [32] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5439	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:16:00 - [33] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Georgia Xavier Ametat Security Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:40:00 - [34] - Quote maluble wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********. Lets assume someone uses a Viziam Scr with two complex light damage mod this means the Viziam will have around 1.14 damage multiplier. That means a charged shot will do 285.285 damage,228.228 on armor. A head shot would mean 527.78 on shields and 413.66 on armor. Assuming you were staying still and the shooter hit your head with every shot,it would need a charge plus 2 or 3 more shots to the head. An Scr can only two shot a scout or MLT equipment. Also since you're a minmatar user I'll assume you strafe your way to victory so you'd be pretty much be hard to kill with a head shot meaning more shots will be needed to take you down. All this was assuming it was an optimal scenario for the Scr where it can do full damage which is unlikely in most cases TL;DR: you're biased because you don't like the Scr How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Georgia Xavier Ametat Security Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:43:00 - [35] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000 How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5439	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:47:00 - [36] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000 You knew what I meant smarty...RR Cr PR ScR (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Georgia Xavier Ametat Security Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:57:00 - [37] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000 You knew what I meant smarty...RR Cr PR ScR I-I know,I'm just putting it out there..... How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 557	Posted - 2015.02.21 13:06:00 - [38] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000 You knew what I meant smarty...RR Cr PR ScR Should specified which rifles then! Sniper RIFLE still counts Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 557	Posted - 2015.02.21 13:10:00 - [39] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: maluble wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********. SCR damage profile: headshots-180% on shields,120% on armor Body shot-120% on shields,80% on armor Lets assume someone uses a Viziam Scr with two complex light damage mod this means the Viziam will have around 1.14 damage multiplier. That means a normal shot will do 80.37 raw damage and charged shot will do 281.295 ,225.0.36 on armor. A head shot would mean 506.331 on shields and 337.554 on armor. Assuming you were staying still and the shooter hit your head with every shot,it would need a charge plus 2 or 3 more shots to the head. An Scr can only two shot a scout or MLT equipment. Also since you're a minmatar user I'll assume you strafe your way to victory so you'd be pretty much be hard to kill with a head shot meaning more shots will be needed to take you down. All this was assuming it was an optimal scenario for the Scr where it can do full damage which is unlikely in most cases. These are just estimates and may not be the real values but I try to get as close as possible TL;DR: you're biased because you don't like the Scr Completely unbiased, I use the Viz ScR. Pft. Also, your figures are incorrect. Plenty of times I've taken a Calsent's FULL shield away in one shot. Not a headshot. I say absolutely nothing against anything on this game, unless I've tested it myself first. I'm not an uninformed jebend Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Georgia Xavier Ametat Security Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2015.02.21 13:18:00 - [40] - Quote well,i didn't put in the factor of proficiency which will get you to to135% on shields 145% if you use an Amarr commando Ak.0. Then there are the damage mod penalties which I don't know exactly, just some vague stuff and cal sents can range from 500 shields to 800 so I can't really say I disagree nor do I agree with you How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them

Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 8	Posted - 2015.02.21 13:59:00 - [41] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: well,i didn't put in the factor of proficiency which will get you to to max 135% on shields 145% if you use an Amarr commando Ak.0. Then there are the damage mod penalties which I don't know exactly, just some vague stuff and cal sents can range from 550 shields to 800 so I can't really say I disagree nor do I agree with you. I don't see how im biased here since all I did was type **** on the calculator with what values I know. I went over everything again: An Amarr commando Ak.0 with a complex damage mod,a viziam Scr will do around 548.923 charged headshot. Amarr com Pro has 10% damage bonus to laser weapons plus 7% more from the damage mod and 15% more damage to shields if the Scr has Prof V. So IF the values I saw in the game are correct, An amarr commando can get 205% headshot multiplier with the Scr. Yes.... and no... please get the in-game data please.... not what CCP states One might say... I'm his apprentice... yet I'm very skilled.... So what does that say about my mentor?
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15703	Posted - 2015.02.21 16:48:00 - [42] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Except the fact you can't sprint, reload, or switch to a side arm...yup that's very similar If the enemy's not dead before you reach the end of the mag you were most likely going to die anyways. Even then, there's absolutely nothing that prevents you from doing any of those things right before you overheat, thus giving you nearly the same amount of damage found in the magazine of any other rifle. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND


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