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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.21 11:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:Yes, every thread within 1 year involving a SCR nerf has mentioned the CR. Quite a call to make. Disprove me. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote: Ironically all of the arguments you listed are heavily flawed.
Please, be more specific. Sure. 1. SCRs can be used effectively on-Non Amarr Assault Dropsuits, and plenty of other weapons rely on bonuses from a dropsuit to excel competitively (NKs, PLCs, SLs, etc). 2. Missing shots with any weapon (bar HMGs) will get you killed against a player of equal or greater competence, barring the luckiest of lucky situations. 2a. The drawback of overheating is no different than the drawback of having to reload, as the seize time is similar to that of a reload and the damage dealt before overheating (~1500 HP) to the damage per magazines found in other rifles (~1840 HP). 3. Usage is irrelevant. Except the fact you can't sprint, reload, or switch to a side arm...yup that's very similar
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
557
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Posted - 2015.02.21 12:04:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has.
There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit.
Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
5439
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Posted - 2015.02.21 12:16:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game.
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Georgia Xavier
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2015.02.21 12:40:00 -
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maluble wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********.
Lets assume someone uses a Viziam Scr with two complex light damage mod this means the Viziam will have around 1.14 damage multiplier. That means a charged shot will do 285.285 damage,228.228 on armor. A head shot would mean 527.78 on shields and 413.66 on armor. Assuming you were staying still and the shooter hit your head with every shot,it would need a charge plus 2 or 3 more shots to the head. An Scr can only two shot a scout or MLT equipment. Also since you're a minmatar user I'll assume you strafe your way to victory so you'd be pretty much be hard to kill with a head shot meaning more shots will be needed to take you down. All this was assuming it was an optimal scenario for the Scr where it can do full damage which is unlikely in most cases
TL;DR: you're biased because you don't like the Scr
How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
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Georgia Xavier
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2015.02.21 12:43:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game.
well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000
How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
5439
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Posted - 2015.02.21 12:47:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000 You knew what I meant smarty...RR Cr PR ScR
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Georgia Xavier
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2015.02.21 12:57:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000 You knew what I meant smarty...RR Cr PR ScR I-I know,I'm just putting it out there.....
How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
557
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Posted - 2015.02.21 13:06:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No the hell the you havent it was multiple shots you scrub so please exit thread. Yes he has. There was a thread last month about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle, listing it's mathematical damage potential. Funnily enough, a Prof 5 damage stacked Viz ScR can do well over a 1000 damage in a single shot. My MinAssault, Minmando, MinHeavy (NOT MINSENT), all die in one hit. You literally can not get over 1000 damage with one shot with any rifle in this game. well,there is the Thale's Sniper rilfe on a Caldari commando Ck.0 with three complex damage mods, a headshot will have an approximate damage of a little over 1000 You knew what I meant smarty...RR Cr PR ScR Should specified which rifles then! Sniper RIFLE still counts
Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
557
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Posted - 2015.02.21 13:10:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:maluble wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:Stormblade Green wrote: Anybody else notice How when someone asks for a nerf to the Scrambler Rifle, even a slight one. The people defending the weapon bring up the CR? Yes. I have. So people bring it up, acting as if it's more OP than the ScR. But hey! Amarr Players! OUR BOUNDLESS DOESN'T KILL YOU IN TWO SHOTS LIKE YOUR RIDICULOUSLY OP VIZIAM SCR. Maybe if your a minmatar scout but then again a stare will drop you dead as well. Wrong i get 2 shotted by scr in my min assault with 700 hp. ScR is op and there is no logical argument... The argument "we have to have a specialized suit to use it affectivly" is laughable. I see all suit dominate with it, and "if you miss your screwed" again bs you should be at range with it not cqc so if you miss you have time to recover, while your opponent with cr still has less range so if you die in that scenario you suck. The charge shot is what makes it op, if your using it at range like it should be then the overheat shouldn't be much of an issue. The it automatic rifles you have to pause during bursts to manage recoil which is equivalent to the heat up on scr, except cr doesn't have a one shot kill abilty at 100+ m. I will say again the above cannot be logically refuted anyone that does is clearly biased and or ********. SCR damage profile: headshots-180% on shields,120% on armor Body shot-120% on shields,80% on armor Lets assume someone uses a Viziam Scr with two complex light damage mod this means the Viziam will have around 1.14 damage multiplier. That means a normal shot will do 80.37 raw damage and charged shot will do 281.295 ,225.0.36 on armor. A head shot would mean 506.331 on shields and 337.554 on armor. Assuming you were staying still and the shooter hit your head with every shot,it would need a charge plus 2 or 3 more shots to the head. An Scr can only two shot a scout or MLT equipment. Also since you're a minmatar user I'll assume you strafe your way to victory so you'd be pretty much be hard to kill with a head shot meaning more shots will be needed to take you down. All this was assuming it was an optimal scenario for the Scr where it can do full damage which is unlikely in most cases. These are just estimates and may not be the real values but I try to get as close as possible TL;DR: you're biased because you don't like the Scr Completely unbiased, I use the Viz ScR. Pft. Also, your figures are incorrect. Plenty of times I've taken a Calsent's FULL shield away in one shot. Not a headshot. I say absolutely nothing against anything on this game, unless I've tested it myself first. I'm not an uninformed jebend
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Georgia Xavier
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.02.21 13:18:00 -
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well,i didn't put in the factor of proficiency which will get you to to135% on shields 145% if you use an Amarr commando Ak.0. Then there are the damage mod penalties which I don't know exactly, just some vague stuff and cal sents can range from 500 shields to 800 so I can't really say I disagree nor do I agree with you
How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
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Stormblade Green
KnightKiller's inc.
8
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Posted - 2015.02.21 13:59:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:well,i didn't put in the factor of proficiency which will get you to to max 135% on shields 145% if you use an Amarr commando Ak.0. Then there are the damage mod penalties which I don't know exactly, just some vague stuff and cal sents can range from 550 shields to 800 so I can't really say I disagree nor do I agree with you. I don't see how im biased here since all I did was type **** on the calculator with what values I know.
I went over everything again: An Amarr commando Ak.0 with a complex damage mod,a viziam Scr will do around 548.923 charged headshot. Amarr com Pro has 10% damage bonus to laser weapons plus 7% more from the damage mod and 15% more damage to shields if the Scr has Prof V. So IF the values I saw in the game are correct, An amarr commando can get 205% headshot multiplier with the Scr.
Yes.... and no... please get the in-game data please.... not what CCP states
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback
15703
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Posted - 2015.02.21 16:48:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: Except the fact you can't sprint, reload, or switch to a side arm...yup that's very similar
If the enemy's not dead before you reach the end of the mag you were most likely going to die anyways.
Even then, there's absolutely nothing that prevents you from doing any of those things right before you overheat, thus giving you nearly the same amount of damage found in the magazine of any other rifle.
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