I thought the ScR was fixed...?

Its pretty funny that the ScR catches so much heat when the CR is just as OP if not more OP.

Just give both guns a 5% reduction to base damage and call it a day.

They're both fine in my opinion,just that people try to find faults in the Scr so I tried to look at it they're way and mention a possible plug for their opinion holes

Its pretty funny that the ScR catches so much heat when the CR is just as OP if not more OP.

Just give both guns a 5% reduction to base damage and call it a day.

I am fine with both of them how they are but they are a huge contributing factor to the TTK being lower than it was at the time the game was really fun.

I am starting to feel like a small blanket nerf would be a good thing. I just think the ScR and CR stand out as the first possible victims in the war of raising TTK.

Well yeah but then you still see people like Lhughes still bitching so i thought I should present an opinion

Want to fix TTK? Start with the HMG, RE's, shotguns, hell NK's can do about 1400 dmg 1 hit. Then buff all suits.

Want to fix TTK? Start with the HMG, RE's, shotguns, hell NK's can do about 1400 dmg 1 hit. Then buff all suits.

I've been saying that their hipfires are too good for their RoFs, but everyone just focuses on the Scrambler part and flips their lid.

This... is not a reason to nerf something.

Its pretty funny that the ScR catches so much heat when the CR is just as OP if not more OP.

Just give both guns a 5% reduction to base damage and call it a day.

that's actually a decent idea, the spread. I suppose The Scr needs a bit more spread. CQC weapons shouldn't have a very large spread but pales in comparison over longer ranges in terms of accuracy and effieciancy when it comes to Scr or RR

Really? I have never been one shotted (over 500 damaged n one shot) by a CR.
the charge shot is op plain and simple, and i dnt wana hear well it over heats. What does that matter when you can one shot most suits. I have to use an entire mag from my cr to take down tanked suits and my cr stats are maxed out.

Really? I have never been one shotted (over 500 damaged n one shot) by a CR.
the charge shot is op plain and simple, and i dnt wana hear well it over heats. What does that matter when you can one shot most suits. I have to use an entire mag from my cr to take down tanked suits and my cr stats are maxed out.

A basic ScR does 65 HP of damage not charged.

With a complex damage mod, profile, and Pro V it does 328.62 to shield at full charge.

With a complex damage mod, and Pro V it would do 279.93


That difference is pretty extreme thanks to combining the charge up bonus to 20% extra damage to shields. In theory this bonus is offset by the -20% to armor but that drawback is quickly negated by 1-2 damage mods making it seem crazy OP against shields with little drawback on armor aside from the fact that the damage is reduced enough that you may over heat before you can get through the naturally higher armor numbers.


Dont scream nerf ScR or CR or anything else. Scream nerf damage profiles that are quickly offset leaving no drawback.

You took the time the calculate damage so you have my thumbs up. not many post arguments with something to back it up and I agree with you actually

You took the time the calculate damage so you have my thumbs up. not many post arguments with something to back it up and I agree with you actually

Math does not equate to accuracy. Sure he did the math -- but his conclusion is completely flawed. So the math means nothing.

So you would argue that applying a 20% bonus before applying a 350% bonus is perfectly fine?


In seriousness please share your conclusion and counter where I was wrong. As I said I just presented the numbers and my argument .

You presented absolutely nothing to back your argument and just look like you are vaguely mad at something so you threw a cheap shot at my argument.

No time, at work. Have to proctor test. Will get back in 1.5 hours with a fair and reasonable argument. My apologies for keeping it short.

This space reserved for discussion.

Aren't all of the forums for discussion? just kidding.

I look forward to seeing your counter point as this is something I have struggled with really figuring out. I feel like the solution would also fix the broken Assault Scrambler but maybe I am far off.


Look forward to seeing what you have to say as I will be out visiting some friends for a few hours.

A basic ScR does 65 HP of damage not charged.

With a complex damage mod, profile, and Pro V it does 328.62 to shield at full charge.

With a complex damage mod, and Pro V it would do 279.93


That difference is pretty extreme thanks to combining the charge up bonus to 20% extra damage to shields. In theory this bonus is offset by the -20% to armor but that drawback is quickly negated by 1-2 damage mods making it seem crazy OP against shields with little drawback on armor aside from the fact that the damage is reduced enough that you may over heat before you can get through the naturally higher armor numbers.


Dont scream nerf ScR or CR or anything else. Scream nerf damage profiles that are quickly offset leaving no drawback.

You and everyone else in the thread (with the exception of 1 guy and his hyperbole) were doing quite good as far as discussion goes.



The underlined concept that damage mods offset the Scr's damage weakness making it OP is fairly incorrect. I honestly didn't think I needed to reply to this as I honestly believed you were being sarcastic.

OP (overpowered) is a relative term. OP in games means that 1 mechanic/object/system/whateverthefuck is superior to others that are supposed to be on par with it. So, OP is, by definition, only possible in relation to other whateverthefucks.

In the case of this discussion -- guns. You have stated, in several posts, that the Scrambler (and the CR) are better than other rifles. That they are an advantage all things considered. You may be right about that. Regardless, saying the scrambler is further made to stand out above other rifles (as the above quoted line says) due to damage mods is...flawed.


All guns are affected by damage mods. Scramblers do not get a magic extra bonus to damage or get some extra synergy to damage application due to its mechanics (which would have to be true for your post to be true) when under the effects of a damage mod. Does it reduce their weakness to armor? Yes. Does it increase their strength towards shield? Yes. But the same is true of all other guns. Take the AR. A damage mod increases its strengths towards shields and reduces its weakness to armor.

In other words -- asserting that one gun has its weakness negated making it OP (which as we established earlier means better than other guns) when all guns are affected in the same manner is, at the very best and being polite, flawed. No cheap shots here.

Outside of all of that

Lugmos talked about scrambler CQC dispersion in another thread before. I disagreed with him (and I bet you read that thread) but have since spent time playing with SCR and talking to longtime knowledgeable ScR users (people who use ScR on a daily basis over long period of times -- having SP into it and using it once in a while or for a few days strait does NOT count as knowledge) in squad chat I am seeing more along the lines of what he and you yourself said about the CQC hipfire capabilities.

Also, I completely agree with you CR is broken OP -- simply because it applies its damage too easily and practically.

Scrambler rifle nerf idea ...

I have an idea I thought of. That 'magazine' we use for the scrambler rifle is some kind of battery right ? so lets say we make a charged shot,this amplifies our attack by 3.5x so why not use up 4 or 5 'pulses' each charged shot? this will allow us to burn through our ammo pool if we don't pay enough attention. Now don't get me wrong, I love using the scrambler rifle even if its impractical in some situations. I almost always use amarr weapons only. Just that I thought I'd share an idea. Moreover it should makes more sense as a powerful shot should use up more power.

Really? I have never been one shotted (over 500 damaged n one shot) by a CR.
the charge shot is op plain and simple, and i dnt wana hear well it over heats. What does that matter when you can one shot most suits. I have to use an entire mag from my cr to take down tanked suits and my cr stats are maxed out.

Finally back.

I think the point that I was not clear on is the fact that unlike most of the forums I am not claiming the ScR to be OP. I stated making it seem crazy OP because I meant to point out why it is so popular in nerf threads.

I am far from arguing it being OP based on damage mods, I am only pointing out what I feel is wrong with it that causes this non stop public out cry about the ScR. Personally I feel it is actually very under powered when used on anything besides an Amarr Assault or Commando just because it over heats so insanely fast. Outside of those 2 suits charge up shots basically mean if you do not land the shot you are totally screwed.

Basically I am just a very avid ScR user that wishes to only see the guns brought closer to fair in the court of public opinion without seeing it made a gun that is just no fun to use.

Its pretty funny that the ScR catches so much heat when the CR is just as OP if not more OP.

Just give both guns a 5% reduction to base damage and call it a day.