You and everyone else in the thread (with the exception of 1 guy and his hyperbole) were doing quite good as far as discussion goes.



The underlined concept that damage mods offset the Scr's damage weakness making it OP is fairly incorrect. I honestly didn't think I needed to reply to this as I honestly believed you were being sarcastic.

OP (overpowered) is a relative term. OP in games means that 1 mechanic/object/system/whateverthefuck is superior to others that are supposed to be on par with it. So, OP is, by definition, only possible in relation to other whateverthefucks.

In the case of this discussion -- guns. You have stated, in several posts, that the Scrambler (and the CR) are better than other rifles. That they are an advantage all things considered. You may be right about that. Regardless, saying the scrambler is further made to stand out above other rifles (as the above quoted line says) due to damage mods is...flawed.


All guns are affected by damage mods. Scramblers do not get a magic extra bonus to damage or get some extra synergy to damage application due to its mechanics (which would have to be true for your post to be true) when under the effects of a damage mod. Does it reduce their weakness to armor? Yes. Does it increase their strength towards shield? Yes. But the same is true of all other guns. Take the AR. A damage mod increases its strengths towards shields and reduces its weakness to armor.

In other words -- asserting that one gun has its weakness negated making it OP (which as we established earlier means better than other guns) when all guns are affected in the same manner is, at the very best and being polite, flawed. No cheap shots here.

Outside of all of that

Lugmos talked about scrambler CQC dispersion in another thread before. I disagreed with him (and I bet you read that thread) but have since spent time playing with SCR and talking to longtime knowledgeable ScR users (people who use ScR on a daily basis over long period of times -- having SP into it and using it once in a while or for a few days strait does NOT count as knowledge) in squad chat I am seeing more along the lines of what he and you yourself said about the CQC hipfire capabilities.

Also, I completely agree with you CR is broken OP -- simply because it applies its damage too easily and practically.

Scrambler rifle nerf idea ...

I have an idea I thought of. That 'magazine' we use for the scrambler rifle is some kind of battery right ? so lets say we make a charged shot,this amplifies our attack by 3.5x so why not use up 4 or 5 'pulses' each charged shot? this will allow us to burn through our ammo pool if we don't pay enough attention. Now don't get me wrong, I love using the scrambler rifle even if its impractical in some situations. I almost always use amarr weapons only. Just that I thought I'd share an idea. Moreover it should makes more sense as a powerful shot should use up more power.

Really? I have never been one shotted (over 500 damaged n one shot) by a CR.
the charge shot is op plain and simple, and i dnt wana hear well it over heats. What does that matter when you can one shot most suits. I have to use an entire mag from my cr to take down tanked suits and my cr stats are maxed out.

Finally back.

I think the point that I was not clear on is the fact that unlike most of the forums I am not claiming the ScR to be OP. I stated making it seem crazy OP because I meant to point out why it is so popular in nerf threads.

I am far from arguing it being OP based on damage mods, I am only pointing out what I feel is wrong with it that causes this non stop public out cry about the ScR. Personally I feel it is actually very under powered when used on anything besides an Amarr Assault or Commando just because it over heats so insanely fast. Outside of those 2 suits charge up shots basically mean if you do not land the shot you are totally screwed.

Basically I am just a very avid ScR user that wishes to only see the guns brought closer to fair in the court of public opinion without seeing it made a gun that is just no fun to use.

Its pretty funny that the ScR catches so much heat when the CR is just as OP if not more OP.

Just give both guns a 5% reduction to base damage and call it a day.