DUST Search - As long as Uplinks exist, Dropships will forever be useless.

DUST Fiend wrote:

Thumb Green wrote:

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Thumb Green wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose.

I suppose that makes sense why CCP would attach this to DS' "Able to traverse the battlefield virtually unimpeded, the dropship is the perfect way to get infantry into and out of hotspots".

I think he was trolling.

Doesn't matter, I was being serious. CCP has never really seemed to grasp this game, only the concept of it.

Descriptions are irrelevant, only the reality of in game assets and tactics matter, which rarely if ever favor troop transport save the initial drop at match start. Dropships are too fragile and / or slow to extract troops, maps too small to justify wasting time playing taxi, along with far too many options for allies to spawn where needed.

Standard dropships are still a joke vs dedicated AV, and only see use as disposable elevators and suicide coffins for those lacking the required skill to best properly flown ships.

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Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 987	Posted - 2015.02.10 19:43:00 - [1] - Quote It does not matter how big a map is. Thanks to BPO LAVs most nobody will need a Dropships in any forseeable future. A dropship's role is to carry troops into the battlefield right? Well all that is useless. People can still spam Uplinks (surprisingly I still get matches where uplinks light up my overview map more than a happy christmas night) I tend to fly around in my DS with an MCRU inside, only for 1 or 2 blues to spawn in. And sometimes they never leave the DS. The rest are down there spawning in the clusters of Uplinks my team has layed out for them. Uplinks lt you spawn anywhere in the field (as long as you laid them in that area) which is a HUGE advantage over spawning in a DS. Rooftop camping is encouraged and there are no drawbacks on spawning in an Uplink. If this game takes the future twist of corporations having to pay for everything in their PCs (like turret installations, CRUs, Supply Depots, etc) and have them to be called down, I barely doubt corps will buy CRUs. Just have 2 Proto Amarr logis lay out uplinks everywhere and done. It would MUCH cheaper then buying a CRU that can later be destroyed/hacked AND will give you the option on spawning anywhere you want as long as their is an Uplink there, unlike the CRU where you spawn right next to it and that is it. Bottom line is, as long as Uplinks continue to function like they do, with no drawbacks and are usable everywhere, there will be little to no role for the DS pilots, and kills strategy because they can be layed down anywhere. Just wanted to get that off my system. Changes to Damage mods!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 513	Posted - 2015.02.10 19:45:00 - [2] - Quote Try it during a stomp and people will spawn in your dropship and never leave. Assuming of course that they are smart enough to spawn in it. Half the time they will continue spawning wherever the slaughter is. The State will always survive.
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 91	Posted - 2015.02.10 19:49:00 - [3] - Quote I don't think dropships are useless, they are pretty great for shooting swarms at! I wish more people would fly around in dropships and shower me with WP. Oh, also you can't put uplinks on roofs without dropships, or rain prof 5 rockets on the objective for 15 minutes straight, or scan a whole map for an entire match, or... Well I could go on.
DUST Fiend Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 15675	Posted - 2015.02.10 19:50:00 - [4] - Quote Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 744	Posted - 2015.02.10 19:58:00 - [5] - Quote An uplink has no hp, can be dropped by any weapon, doesn't move (except when being thrown.) A dropship can have decent hp (not an ads) can move freely about the battle field, usually has someone defending it with the side turret. I'm gonna say that uplink is really looking strong. you know, unless someone gets 300 wp or within melee range. But in all fairness. The stupidly small maps ruin dropships. What exactly were CCP thinking by making some maps smaller and adding in even smaller ones, when redzoning is already such a problem.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 987	Posted - 2015.02.10 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: I don't think dropships are useless, they are pretty great for shooting swarms at! I wish more people would fly around in dropships and shower me with WP. Oh, also you can't put uplinks on roofs without dropships, or rain prof 5 rockets on the objective for 15 minutes straight, or scan a whole map for an entire match, or... Well I could go on. I only see ADSs doing that for the most part. A STD DS can attempt on doing all that, but thanks to their slowness and clunkyness, they will be baraged with AV fire faster than they can get out. And rooftop uplinks are the only use I see for DS. Once that happens they are tossed aside and ignored. Which I hate. Changes to Damage mods!
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 2091	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:03:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose. I suppose that makes sense why CCP would attach this to DS' "Able to traverse the battlefield virtually unimpeded, the dropship is the perfect way to get infantry into and out of hotspots". Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! [RYJC]
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 987	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:06:00 - [8] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: An uplink has no hp, can be dropped by any weapon, doesn't move (except when being thrown.) A dropship can have decent hp (not an ads) can move freely about the battle field, usually has someone defending it with the side turret. I'm gonna say that uplink is really looking strong. you know, unless someone gets 300 wp or within melee range. But in all fairness. The stupidly small maps ruin dropships. What exactly were CCP thinking by making some maps smaller and adding in even smaller ones, when redzoning is already such a problem. True, true. But spawning in an uplink is WAY safer than spawning in a DS. A DS is a floating pi+¦ata for AV. And a DS is fairly slow and clunky so trying to escale AV is harder on that thing than in an ADS. I do agree that 300WP strikes where made to clear up rooftop links BUT the enemy lays uplinks down faster than me alone, or with another squad mate can make 300 WP. There was this match where the enemy team was on top of us. Raining down heavies and endless RE's so I used a Major Flux strike to clear out all their equipment. It worked, but 5 seconds later, the entire rooftop area was filled with Uplinks again. Changes to Damage mods!
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 988	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:11:00 - [9] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose. I suppose that makes sense why CCP would attach this to DS' "Able to traverse the battlefield virtually unimpeded, the dropship is the perfect way to get infantry into and out of hotspots". I think he was trolling. Changes to Damage mods!
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 92	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:13:00 - [10] - Quote Idk, there are at least a few squads running pimped out Gorgons with skilled turretbros. A well fit/ manned DS can easily outperform an ADS. I played DS for a week straight last month and I can count the number of spawns I had on my hands. However, that was all DOM and I think the DS transport role prolly sees more action in skirmish.

Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 2091	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:18:00 - [11] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Thumb Green wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose. I suppose that makes sense why CCP would attach this to DS' "Able to traverse the battlefield virtually unimpeded, the dropship is the perfect way to get infantry into and out of hotspots". I think he was trolling. Doesn't matter, I was being serious. CCP has never really seemed to grasp this game, only the concept of it. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! [RYJC]
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2962	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:20:00 - [12] - Quote If you're just gong over the hill, an LAV may be faster, just like running would be faster in some cases than calling an LAV. It depends on where you're going and who need to go with you. You have to get there in the first place. You can't spawn in when you're still alive. Spawn links show you exactly where you're going, where a DS could move to an unfavorable spot. Passangers need a way to communicate with the pilot, until then it won't be much use. The biggest problem isn't with Dropships, it's with your squad/team mates not utilizing or not being able to utilize them Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
DUST Fiend Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 15676	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:08:00 - [13] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Thumb Green wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose. I suppose that makes sense why CCP would attach this to DS' "Able to traverse the battlefield virtually unimpeded, the dropship is the perfect way to get infantry into and out of hotspots". I think he was trolling. Doesn't matter, I was being serious. CCP has never really seemed to grasp this game, only the concept of it. Descriptions are irrelevant, only the reality of in game assets and tactics matter, which rarely if ever favor troop transport save the initial drop at match start. Dropships are too fragile and / or slow to extract troops, maps too small to justify wasting time playing taxi, along with far too many options for allies to spawn where needed. Standard dropships are still a joke vs dedicated AV, and only see use as disposable elevators and suicide coffins for those lacking the required skill to best properly flown ships. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 621	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:19:00 - [14] - Quote i run DS or ADS nearly every single dom/skrim. their ability to put uplinks in high spots or take uplinks down from said spots is infinitely useful, 100x more than someone flying around with an MCru.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2098	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:22:00 - [15] - Quote Hey, you gotta have a way to put that uplink above the domination point. XD TLDR : XD
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 988	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:35:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Thumb Green wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose. I suppose that makes sense why CCP would attach this to DS' "Able to traverse the battlefield virtually unimpeded, the dropship is the perfect way to get infantry into and out of hotspots". I think he was trolling. Doesn't matter, I was being serious. CCP has never really seemed to grasp this game, only the concept of it. Descriptions are irrelevant, only the reality of in game assets and tactics matter, which rarely if ever favor troop transport save the initial drop at match start. Dropships are too fragile and / or slow to extract troops, maps too small to justify wasting time playing taxi, along with far too many options for allies to spawn where needed. Standard dropships are still a joke vs dedicated AV, and only see use as disposable elevators and suicide coffins for those lacking the required skill to best properly flown ships. This is the sad truth that governs the DS. Ni matter how many changes the mCRU gets, people will always favor spawning on the ground, next to the objective, or one of the many layed out uplinks. As long as there are too many options to spawn where needed, the DS will always be a joke and obly be used as cheap access elevators to rooftops and never used again. Changes to Damage mods!
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 988	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:47:00 - [17] - Quote hold that wrote: i run DS or ADS nearly every single dom/skrim. their ability to put uplinks in high spots or take uplinks down from said spots is infinitely useful, 100x more than someone flying around with an MCru. That's using them as elevators and gunning platform. Not as troop transportation units. Changes to Damage mods!
Lavallois Nash 480	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:56:00 - [18] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: This is the sad truth that governs the DS. Ni matter how many changes the mCRU gets, people will always favor spawning on the ground, next to the objective, or one of the many layed out uplinks. As long as there are too many options to spawn where needed, the DS will always be a joke and obly be used as cheap access elevators to rooftops and never used again. Well what do you expect? Turn off your wishes for a second and instead imagine the alternative reality. There is nothing this community likes more than putting a Denver Boot on the matchmaking process. Can you imagine having to ferry the team, 5 players at a time, during a stomp? Im going to spend a few minutes on each trip, and they will be dead before my landing gear is up. Bad matchmaking + a community that favors numbers over a playerbase = We need uplinks to keep feeding people into battle steadily or the match grinds to a halt. Trust me, no one wants people to play the game like that. they want us to walk one by one out of the red line into their entrenchments and feed their KDR. Then think of the pilots. My uplinking brings in 1000WP per game, i make millions of ISK in a day, and i can deploy firepower while still in a logi suit. What am I supposed to do with a DS all game? Be a nice guy? You get token WP and virtually no pay for being a taxi driver. And If I wanted to fight? Id have to have a 250,000ISK ADS. Each time id want to play, risking 250,000ISK. There are fun moments but eventually it gets really tiring spending so much time in a UNARMED militia or STD dropship. You cant blame me, you cant blame uplinks. Blame those who want a 1 dimensional game and a digital number they can brag about and associate self worth to. If the community wanted something other than catering to the lowest common denominator, we would have it.
Mex-0 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 372	Posted - 2015.02.10 22:02:00 - [19] - Quote Have you ever actually played a match of dom on the tower map? 1st ones to the roof = winners Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 2095	Posted - 2015.02.10 22:03:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Thumb Green wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropships have never had their primary purpose be troop transport, as it is not needed in this game. Those who tell you otherwise simply dont grasp what the game actually is, and instead grasp at concept. Troop transport in DUST is a side effect of dropships, not their primary purpose. I suppose that makes sense why CCP would attach this to DS' "Able to traverse the battlefield virtually unimpeded, the dropship is the perfect way to get infantry into and out of hotspots". I think he was trolling. Doesn't matter, I was being serious. CCP has never really seemed to grasp this game, only the concept of it. Descriptions are irrelevant, only the reality of in game assets and tactics matter, which rarely if ever favor troop transport save the initial drop at match start. Dropships are too fragile and / or slow to extract troops, maps too small to justify wasting time playing taxi, along with far too many options for allies to spawn where needed. Standard dropships are still a joke vs dedicated AV, and only see use as disposable elevators and suicide coffins for those lacking the required skill to best properly flown ships. It's like you think I was disagreeing with you. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! [RYJC]

Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 991	Posted - 2015.02.10 22:20:00 - [21] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Have you ever actually played a match of dom on the tower map? 1st ones to the roof = winners Troop transport. Not "Use a MLT DS to get to this rooftop, abandon it and soam my uplinks all over this place" That's a shameful use of a DS. Changes to Damage mods!
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2017	Posted - 2015.02.10 22:27:00 - [22] - Quote What if mCRU spawns were instant? Would it change anything? I think the ease of use for uplinks is the main reason over why it is so favorable. Just plop it down and move on. With the drop ship you need to dedicate yourself, almost like defending your uplink, but nobody actually defends uplinks. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1232	Posted - 2015.02.10 23:27:00 - [23] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Have you ever actually played a match of dom on the tower map? 1st ones to the roof = winners Or any map in this game for that matter. How to win at dust. 1. Deploy Dropship 2. Drop AVer and link above the point 3. ??? 4. Profit 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6106	Posted - 2015.02.10 23:31:00 - [24] - Quote Towers? Plus, mCRU give you infinite spawns, while Uplinks do not.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 749	Posted - 2015.02.10 23:41:00 - [25] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Spawn links show you exactly where you're going, where a DS could move to an unfavorable spot. Passangers need a way to communicate with the pilot, until then it won't be much use. The biggest problem isn't with Dropships, it's with your squad/team mates not utilizing or not being able to utilize them People not in turret seats need a better view, should have an option to lean out the window to look around (sacrificing safety for a chance to know exactly where you are.) Failing that, just give them the same view as the pilot. tal mrak-thanl wrote: Idk, there are at least a few squads running pimped out Gorgons with skilled turretbros. A well fit/ manned DS can easily outperform an ADS. It really can't, simply due to the fact that an ADS can focus the gunner down, long before the ADS is at risk of death, which then leaves a slow, empty dropship to contend with. The other thing is, 3 turrets in an ADS vs 2 turrets in a Dropship. The ADS will plow that ship down in one run. Buwaro Draemon wrote: Mex-0 wrote: Have you ever actually played a match of dom on the tower map? 1st ones to the roof = winners Troop transport. Not "Use a MLT DS to get to this rooftop, abandon it and soam my uplinks all over this place" That's a shameful use of a DS. So transporting a squad to the roof. Doesn't count as transporting... troops?
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 993	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:23:00 - [26] - Quote It's not that I don't consider it troop transport. It's just thats what EVERYONE uses them for. All it takes is one guy with good Uplinks and to get to the roof first. Drops the Uplinks and your whole squad and team can spawn there. They don't even have to be in the DS with you because that way you earn points too. DS are only used as elevator too rooftop areas and almost nothing more. Put 1 or 2 Commandoes up there and you have unreachable links only destroyable by OBs. And even then, when you manage to destroy them, the drop more down. All of that renders the DS useless except for a quick elevator trip. Changes to Damage mods!
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 106	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:30:00 - [27] - Quote It would be nice to see rooftop uplinks get challenged a bit. Imagine if we had tactical flux strikes that do a max 300 or 500 ehp and only require 50wp, coupled with an increase in uplink scan profile when placed above a certain elevation. That might change some game dynamics for the better.
Kuruld Sengar ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 203	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:27:00 - [28] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: It would be nice to see rooftop uplinks get challenged a bit. Imagine if we had tactical flux strikes that do a max 300 or 500 ehp and only require 50wp, coupled with an increase in uplink scan profile when placed above a certain elevation. That might change some game dynamics for the better. The whole point of the 300wp flux strike was to do exactly that. The only issue is that it doesn't go through walls and floors like the major does.
Binx Klepto Molon Labe. 21	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:35:00 - [29] - Quote bears eat beats. bear, beat, battle star galactica. Fellow Flaylock Believer
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:39:00 - [30] - Quote If a squad could simultaneously deploy into a ds in 3 seconds AND see exactly where they were on the map that would be real progress, if they could also be automatically comms linked whilst airborne that could be a game changer.



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