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Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1887	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:57:00 - [1] - Quote I don't mean the mechanics, mind you, but rather, the issue of player trust. I know there are scams that go on right and left in these forums, and all that comes to mind is two parties saying back and forth "No, you send the item first and then you get the money" or something to that effect. I'm rather concerned this will set things back quite a few steps, and I can't help but worry that someone will end up trying to scam me at some point or another, so I pose a question. How will trust be built among this community? Will it be on a client by client basis, will there be threads detailing the experiences had with other players, or will everyone just toss their money at the screen and hope something good comes back? I'm quite excited for the possibility to trade, but I fully intend to be the one sending the items secondly so I don't get ripped off and I wonder if that will make individuals less likely to want to risk trading with someone like myself who has no real reputation within the community. I want to punch.
Louis Domi Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 836	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:18:00 - [2] - Quote oh for real? its that kind of trading? maybe make a list of trust worthy traders? or have a trust worthy impartial third guy come in to help the transaction
Vicious Minotaur 1995	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:20:00 - [3] - Quote Trust no one. Spread lies. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
FLAY LOCKED Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 162	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:26:00 - [4] - Quote How about something like this. Trade Window
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2004	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:31:00 - [5] - Quote How it works in EVE. As said before, it is a trade window. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
deezy dabest 2154	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:35:00 - [6] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: How it works in EVE. As said before, it is a trade window. lol NOPE CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes So basically the dumbest way possible because they dont have enough devs to actually add it properly.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1887	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:54:00 - [7] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: LUGMOS wrote: How it works in EVE. As said before, it is a trade window. lol NOPE CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes So basically the dumbest way possible because they dont have enough devs to actually add it properly. Thanks for saving me the time of clearing that up, Deezy. Took me a moment to realize that everyone isn't up to date on the current ideas. Seems like the current method is just going to be using whatever code they implemented for trading Isk... which begs the question of why we haven't gotten this sooner if it's doing the same thing. I want to punch.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2005	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:56:00 - [8] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: LUGMOS wrote: How it works in EVE. As said before, it is a trade window. lol NOPE CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes So basically the dumbest way possible because they dont have enough devs to actually add it properly. Dang. I kinda like this anyway, as it will make for some jobs as middlemen. Imagine the scams though... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
deezy dabest 2156	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:02:00 - [9] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: So basically the dumbest way possible because they dont have enough devs to actually add it properly. Dang. I kinda like this anyway, as it will make for some jobs as middlemen. Imagine the scams though...[/quote] Unfortunately new players who do not know to come to the forums are in for a rough time. I do not think this is how it should be at all. The lack of developers dictates we take the simplest route possible I suppose. It is a bid odd to me that they would take so long to end up going with code that really 1 dev could build and test in under a week.
Songs of Seraphim State of Purgatory 289	Posted - 2015.02.10 03:27:00 - [10] - Quote Well, isn't this just a scary thought... So we all have to hope not to be ripped off when trading officer or BPO gear.... Well, Crimson, I'll tell you this: I'll send you the money (that would be agreed upon), then I'll receive said item. There should be some system in which you could rate your experience on trading on a person-to-person basis. So if its a successful trade, they get a rating like 10/10; if it's a scammer, they get 0/10. Even if you do get it, but its delayed (by hours or days) they'll get like 5/10 or 7/10 depending on how much time they took -- or if they were just trolling you. Caldari loyalist Assault ck.0. Logistics ck.0. Scout ck.0. Commando ck.0. Sentinel ck.0.

Lavallois Nash 477	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:04:00 - [11] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: I don't mean the mechanics, mind you, but rather, the issue of player trust. I know there are scams that go on right and left in these forums, and all that comes to mind is two parties saying back and forth "No, you send the item first and then you get the money" or something to that effect. I'm rather concerned this will set things back quite a few steps, and I can't help but worry that someone will end up trying to scam me at some point or another, so I pose a question. How will trust be built among this community? Will it be on a client by client basis, will there be threads detailing the experiences had with other players, or will everyone just toss their money at the screen and hope something good comes back? I'm quite excited for the possibility to trade, but I fully intend to be the one sending the items secondly so I don't get ripped off and I wonder if that will make individuals less likely to want to risk trading with someone like myself who has no real reputation within the community. Im probably one of the only ones excited that its going to be in a simple format. I intend to make ISK by being a middleman/distributor in various trades. The idea is to start small. I start by buying/selling a few officer weapons or proto gear. Then, as trust builds up, youll trust me to come through all the time. If I get 2 people like that, they can exchange high value goods between eachother though me, with both paying me a reasonable fee. Ill have to be able to convince alot of people that its more important to me that I have a name good enough to make profit off of rather than taking the change out of the "take a penny, leave a penny" and running. But, like all things in this game, corporations/teamwork could help. The way im planning to roll out my new company once trading hits is not so much to spend alot of time at the base retail level, winning over random person after random person, but rather to get bigger, more stable contracts from corporations by either endorsement or sourcing. If I can get someone high up in a active corp to say "Yeah, this guy and his company are a reliable go to guy for officer weapons if you need to stock up", well that gives me a base to work with and more good worth of mouth circulating. I dont know. I like the idea of their being a ingame economy with alot of jobs. And I also like the idea of being able to win over a customer base entirely because of trust. Over time, just being me could be profitable, because people shopping will go with a "for sure, no scam" person they recognize instead of a sketchy person they dont recognize, even if my price is higher. Makes for a interesting meta. Also, for the record, just like you, i have no reputation within the community and am generally unknown. Its a challenge im excited about though, as brand recognition is just another part of building a successful business.
Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 1927	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:15:00 - [12] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: I don't mean the mechanics, mind you, but rather, the issue of player trust. I know there are scams that go on right and left in these forums, and all that comes to mind is two parties saying back and forth "No, you send the item first and then you get the money" or something to that effect. I'm rather concerned this will set things back quite a few steps, and I can't help but worry that someone will end up trying to scam me at some point or another, so I pose a question. How will trust be built among this community? Will it be on a client by client basis, will there be threads detailing the experiences had with other players, or will everyone just toss their money at the screen and hope something good comes back? I'm quite excited for the possibility to trade, but I fully intend to be the one sending the items secondly so I don't get ripped off and I wonder if that will make individuals less likely to want to risk trading with someone like myself who has no real reputation within the community. Actually, I was thinking the Code Bazaar could evolve into a player trading thing. There are rules already set in there that prevent from scamming. If there is a scam, CCP could get involved and shut down the scammer and reimburse the victim. Trustworthy Middlemen could potentially help the situation, but what if the Middleman is in on the scam? Who can you trust? This is why I believe the Code Bazaar section of the forums needs to evolve and prepare for the simple player trading. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:15:00 - [13] - Quote I want it to be like schematics trading in AC4/FA (at least something was right :/ ) Where both parties agree to the trading terms. Once you agree there Is no turning back. As for a risk kind of thing, include a black market - esque feel. you won't exactly know what the person is selling, but the description of the item should be enough. Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
Songs of Seraphim State of Purgatory 293	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:19:00 - [14] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: I want it to be like schematics trading in AC4/FA (at least something was right :/ ) Where both parties agree to the trading terms. Once you agree there Is no turning back. As for a risk kind of thing, include a black market - esque feel. you won't exactly know what the person is selling, but the description of the item should be enough. Dammit... Now I want to play Armored Core.... Caldari loyalist Yes, I'm probably drunk. Don't judge me.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:22:00 - [15] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: I want it to be like schematics trading in AC4/FA (at least something was right :/ ) Where both parties agree to the trading terms. Once you agree there Is no turning back. As for a risk kind of thing, include a black market - esque feel. you won't exactly know what the person is selling, but the description of the item should be enough. Dammit... Now I want to play Armored Core.... Which AC you play? I have FA and VD for my ps3. If yu got a psp we could ad-hoc party 3, SL, or LR :D Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 390	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:36:00 - [16] - Quote I think the real question is, WHEN will it work? ...and if you trade with anyone that isn't in your corp that you trust..yer gonna have a bad time "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 515	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:42:00 - [17] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: I think the real question is, WHEN will it work? SoonGäó Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1890	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:44:00 - [18] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: I think the real question is, WHEN will it work? ...and if you trade with anyone that isn't in your corp that you trust..yer gonna have a bad time That's my general worry, that no one is going to be trusting enough to exchange goods, or that the market will be exceptionally slow in starting up. I want to punch.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1890	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:45:00 - [19] - Quote @Kaze I highly doubt CCP will incorporate this. It would be nice, but they seem to encourage the scamming process, obviously with in game money, as it adds depth to the economy and helps bring real world aspects into what would otherwise be just a game for so many people. I want to punch.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7418	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:49:00 - [20] - Quote I'm hoping it works like Monopoly online: -It would be two charts with adjoining chat. -On the left chart trader 1 would offer an item. -On the right trader 2 would offer ISK and/or exchange of items. -If trader 1 agrees he can except the deal. If not he can modify both his and trader 2's proposal. -If trader 2 accepts then they trade. If not then trader 2 makes a counter deal. This would go back and forth until a deal is reached or broken. Though would ensure no one gets left empty handed. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1891	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:51:00 - [21] - Quote @Lavallois This is definitely the kind of thing I'm looking forward to seeing, players building up their own business within Dust through trustworthy negotiations. I can't wait to be a part of this kind of player interaction, free to play game or not, I've got quite a few hours invested in Dust and it'll be nice for the community to be able to come together in a true player market. @Seraphim Glad to hear you're willing to invest your trust in me on this. Still in need of setting prices, speaking of which, if you'd be looking to trade those Quafe knives~ I'm just saying, three Frame's suits might just so happen to find their way into your assets along with a few other goodies if those knives just so happened to find their way into my pockets~ I'm also in possession of a few Quafe vehicles and an extra set of the Covenant BPO's~ Caldari stuff~ Wink wink~ I want to punch.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1869	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:06:00 - [22] - Quote Well because it's simple trading, this is how I see it going down. Well first off, the power is in the hand of the seller. They control the prices, they can take the money without finishing the trade, and there's no one that can stop them. There will be three kinds of sellers. 1. Unknown History - Someone you don't know too well... 2. Untrustworthy - Someone you know well for being a scumbag or has build up an established rep for bad trading 3. Trustworthy - Someone that you know well or has build up an established rep for respectable trading 1 and 2 will get the least business simply because no one will want to go to untrustworthy or unknown folks. Even if they have good loot. The 3rd group, Trustworthy traders, will have the most business. Whether it's just a single player, like Sgt. Kirk, or a whole corp, they'll have their own system in place and will be willing to work with their customer to keep the deal sweet. More than likely they will not screw over people as they know they have a rep to keep. If they're going to swindle someone, it's going to be either through an alt, pricing, or with a lot of cleverness. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Songs of Seraphim State of Purgatory 294	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:43:00 - [23] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: I want it to be like schematics trading in AC4/FA (at least something was right :/ ) Where both parties agree to the trading terms. Once you agree there Is no turning back. As for a risk kind of thing, include a black market - esque feel. you won't exactly know what the person is selling, but the description of the item should be enough. Dammit... Now I want to play Armored Core.... Which AC you play? I have FA and VD for my ps3. If yu got a psp we could ad-hoc party 3, SL, or LR :D I have AC 4 up to Verdict Day. You can shoot me a PSN message at: Xeazlouro Caldari loyalist Yes, I'm probably drunk. Don't judge me.
We are 138 TRUE TEA BAGGERS 734	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:46:00 - [24] - Quote The only way I'm going to trade any thing with any one that I don't know very well is going to be them giving me the agreed upon item first, then I'll send them my half of the trade. And its going to be recorded and filed to defend my honor against any one saying that I ripped them off. Sorry, this community is at least 76% bastards just frothing at the mouth to rip off others. No thanks. Hello? any one there?
Songs of Seraphim State of Purgatory 294	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:48:00 - [25] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: @Lavallois This is definitely the kind of thing I'm looking forward to seeing, players building up their own business within Dust through trustworthy negotiations. I can't wait to be a part of this kind of player interaction, free to play game or not, I've got quite a few hours invested in Dust and it'll be nice for the community to be able to come together in a true player market. @Seraphim Glad to hear you're willing to invest your trust in me on this. Still in need of setting prices, speaking of which, if you'd be looking to trade those Quafe knives~ I'm just saying, three Frame's suits might just so happen to find their way into your assets along with a few other goodies if those knives just so happened to find their way into my pockets~ I'm also in possession of a few Quafe vehicles and an extra set of the Covenant BPO's~ Caldari stuff~ Wink wink~ There's no reason not to trust you. And I'm a man of my word The Quafe Knives aren't for me though. ;-; And I have the Covenant items (in triplicates lol). But if I do get another set, I'll message you. Caldari loyalist Yes, I'm probably drunk. Don't judge me.
Nano Vyper 56	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:49:00 - [26] - Quote I was thinking it'd be like how trading works in Borderlands. Don't click this Why did you?
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2526	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:55:00 - [27] - Quote I hwve very few people i trust enough to trade with. Even so the thought is worrying. Recon is an Art Anything you can do a NINJA* can do better* Seijuro Shin of Dust


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