DUST Search - Scouts Have OHK So Speed Up Turn Rate

gekko k wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

gekko k wrote:

I want a faster turn rate. We originally had a faster turn rate. It was reduced because people said that it wasn't fair to scouts or something along those lines. It appears to me that the argument for a reduced turn rate is moot, so can we increase turn rate?

If scouts are in a good place right now, why should CCP diminish that by returning faster turn rates back to the game?

Just because you want something doesn't mean it is for the betterment of the game.

If you think this is a real need, you need to better express your reasons for it, and give some valid reasons.

1. The game is quite boring with a turn rate that is 1/3 that of other FPS games.
2. Doing a 180 takes an unrealistically long time. 180 turns are important to get out of the open and return to cover.
3. A lot of cqc requires turning toward opponents, such as when you are attacking up hill and a scout comes flying out of nowhere and jumps over your head while doing a 180 turn. After lag + human response time, a low HP avatar will have already been killed by a shotgun after turning only about 30 degrees.
4. Given the short TTK, players need to be able to quickly react to surprising situations. Otherwise all surprising situations will result in death, which removes quick response thinking from the game entirely, and replaces it with eye rolling.

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gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 27	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:38:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts have a variety of one hit kill weapons to choose from. Can we speed up the turning rate now? It remember hearing that turn rate was slowed to make the game fair to scouts. That seems to be a moot point since they OHK people all of the time. Additionally, there is a trend of slowing maneuvering to the point that there will no longer be any skill whatsoever in gunfights. This will lead to people hiding behind massive amounts of HP (as there is already a trend toward that as well).
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5277	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:45:00 - [2] - Quote No (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 833	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:03:00 - [3] - Quote People shouldn't backpedal faster than i move forward. Here's your answer. Ps. turning speed is high enough. What do you want? Instant turn around button? Loyal to State. > *Gallus in suo sterquilinio plurimum potest - the rooster can do plenty in his own dungheap*
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2000	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:03:00 - [4] - Quote Quit making ** posts... They are 100, well, *. Official QuafeGäó Advocate* Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Edau Skir2 Mithril Forge E-R-A 424	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:04:00 - [5] - Quote Oh god, you're that guy who has his sensitivity to maximum on every fps ever. Know what that's called? Noob mode. Resident pasty smasher
gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 27	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:09:00 - [6] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Oh god, you're that guy who has his sensitivity to maximum on every fps ever. Know what that's called? Noob mode. Why is utilizing mobility noob mode?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 3230	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:14:00 - [7] - Quote I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
LT SHANKS You In The Nutz 5045	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:18:00 - [8] - Quote If OP is not trolling, as evinced by his/her other posts, then he or she needs to git gud. You're a bad player. Admit it already. I've admitted that I suck balls at this game, yet I don't complain.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 506	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:18:00 - [9] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. The State will always survive.
Stupid Blueberry State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 1004	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:26:00 - [10] - Quote Heavies still turn too fast Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen. Blueberry smokin' that crack y'all

One Eyed King nos nothi 7733	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:28:00 - [11] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Shotguns are only OHK on low HP suits, not all suits. NKs and REs are the only weapons that can really OHK all but the most tanked suits. If Scouts were still a problem, I think that would be one thing, but they have been nerfed enough that they are no longer a go-to FotM class. It is because of that reason that there is no need to buff turn speed. Just because something kills you does not mean its OP. In fact, Rattati stated that Knifers have been hit hard by the changes and he is looking at backpedal speed and Myofibril changes as a result. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2001	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:29:00 - [12] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Or Quafe Assault Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 506	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:30:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Shotguns are only OHK on low HP suits, not all suits. NKs and REs are the only weapons that can really OHK all but the most tanked suits. If Scouts were still a problem, I think that would be one thing, but they have been nerfed enough that they are no longer a go-to FotM class. It is because of that reason that there is no need to buff turn speed. Just because something kills you does not mean its OP. In fact, Rattati stated that Knifers have been hit hard by the changes and he is looking at backpedal speed and Myofibril changes as a result. To bad still most the suits I see are still scouts. The State will always survive.
LT SHANKS You In The Nutz 5050	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:35:00 - [14] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: To bad still most the suits I see are still scouts. Strange. I've been seeing more MinAssaults and Heavies. Even stranger is the influx of Commandos...
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1885	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: [quote=One Eyed King][quote=Bahirae Serugiusu][quote=Joseph Ridgeson To bad still most the suits I see are still scouts. Those are some bad scouts then, and they should feel bad. I want to punch.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 3232	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:38:00 - [16] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Again, it seems his complaint are with these weapons rather than the Scout. My point is that his premise that "turn speed needs to increase because Scouts can One Hit Kill" doesn't quite work because the weapons that One Hit Kill can be used by most everyone. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2001	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:38:00 - [17] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: To bad still most the suits I see are still scouts. Strange. I've been seeing more MinAssaults and Heavies. Even stranger is the influx of Commandos... This. By far... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
One Eyed King nos nothi 7736	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:39:00 - [18] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Shotguns are only OHK on low HP suits, not all suits. NKs and REs are the only weapons that can really OHK all but the most tanked suits. If Scouts were still a problem, I think that would be one thing, but they have been nerfed enough that they are no longer a go-to FotM class. It is because of that reason that there is no need to buff turn speed. Just because something kills you does not mean its OP. In fact, Rattati stated that Knifers have been hit hard by the changes and he is looking at backpedal speed and Myofibril changes as a result. To bad still most the suits I see are still scouts. I see lots more assaults and heavies. From what I have seen discussed about suit purchases, assaults are more numerous than scouts. In fact, that is the intention of CCP, for Assaults to be the most widely used suit in the game (but not by too great a margin). According to Rattati's stats, NKs are not a problem. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 327	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:53:00 - [19] - Quote You can use NKs on your avy. I have been killed by a heavy with a nova knife haha ISK Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 27	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:51:00 - [20] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Again, it seems his complaint are with these weapons rather than the Scout. My point is that his premise that "turn speed needs to increase because Scouts can One Hit Kill" doesn't quite work because the weapons that One Hit Kill can be used by most everyone. I want a faster turn rate. We originally had a faster turn rate. It was reduced because people said that it wasn't fair to scouts or something along those lines. It appears to me that the argument for a reduced turn rate is moot, so can we increase turn rate?

One Eyed King nos nothi 7738	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:58:00 - [21] - Quote gekko k wrote: I want a faster turn rate. We originally had a faster turn rate. It was reduced because people said that it wasn't fair to scouts or something along those lines. It appears to me that the argument for a reduced turn rate is moot, so can we increase turn rate? If scouts are in a good place right now, why should CCP diminish that by returning faster turn rates back to the game? Just because you want something doesn't mean it is for the betterment of the game. If you think this is a real need, you need to better express your reasons for it, and give some valid reasons. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 27	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:07:00 - [22] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: gekko k wrote: I want a faster turn rate. We originally had a faster turn rate. It was reduced because people said that it wasn't fair to scouts or something along those lines. It appears to me that the argument for a reduced turn rate is moot, so can we increase turn rate? If scouts are in a good place right now, why should CCP diminish that by returning faster turn rates back to the game? Just because you want something doesn't mean it is for the betterment of the game. If you think this is a real need, you need to better express your reasons for it, and give some valid reasons. 1. The game is quite boring with a turn rate that is 1/3 that of other FPS games. 2. Doing a 180 takes an unrealistically long time. 180 turns are important to get out of the open and return to cover. 3. A lot of cqc requires turning toward opponents, such as when you are attacking up hill and a scout comes flying out of nowhere and jumps over your head while doing a 180 turn. After lag + human response time, a low HP avatar will have already been killed by a shotgun after turning only about 30 degrees. 4. Given the short TTK, players need to be able to quickly react to surprising situations. Otherwise all surprising situations will result in death, which removes quick response thinking from the game entirely, and replaces it with eye rolling.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 668	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:13:00 - [23] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Shotguns are only OHK on low HP suits, not all suits. NKs and REs are the only weapons that can really OHK all but the most tanked suits. If Scouts were still a problem, I think that would be one thing, but they have been nerfed enough that they are no longer a go-to FotM class. It is because of that reason that there is no need to buff turn speed. Just because something kills you does not mean its OP. In fact, Rattati stated that Knifers have been hit hard by the changes and he is looking at backpedal speed and Myofibril changes as a result. To bad still most the suits I see are still scouts. I see lots more assaults and heavies. From what I have seen discussed about suit purchases, assaults are more numerous than scouts. In fact, that is the intention of CCP, for Assaults to be the most widely used suit in the game (but not by too great a margin). According to Rattati's stats, NKs are not a problem. Heavy spam hasn't changed. It's about the same and directly related to which map socket appears. Scout spam hasn't changed either. Most of the top of the killboards are scouts -- because while scout ewar was nerfed -- their ability to break hit detection was not - allowing them to still kill toe to toe. Commandos are more common now. Min Assault has taken a HUGE jump up.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 835	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:47:00 - [24] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Shotguns are only OHK on low HP suits, not all suits. NKs and REs are the only weapons that can really OHK all but the most tanked suits. If Scouts were still a problem, I think that would be one thing, but they have been nerfed enough that they are no longer a go-to FotM class. It is because of that reason that there is no need to buff turn speed. Just because something kills you does not mean its OP. In fact, Rattati stated that Knifers have been hit hard by the changes and he is looking at backpedal speed and Myofibril changes as a result. To bad still most the suits I see are still scouts. That's what i see. 3 out of 5 assaults in battle are minmatars. 6 heavies [commandos and sents], few logis, one tanker and 2-3scouts only. Loyal to State. > *Gallus in suo sterquilinio plurimum potest - the rooster can do plenty in his own dungheap*
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1001	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:21:00 - [25] - Quote gekko k wrote: One Eyed King wrote: gekko k wrote: I want a faster turn rate. We originally had a faster turn rate. It was reduced because people said that it wasn't fair to scouts or something along those lines. It appears to me that the argument for a reduced turn rate is moot, so can we increase turn rate? If scouts are in a good place right now, why should CCP diminish that by returning faster turn rates back to the game? Just because you want something doesn't mean it is for the betterment of the game. If you think this is a real need, you need to better express your reasons for it, and give some valid reasons. 1. The game is quite boring with a turn rate that is 1/3 that of other FPS games. 2. Doing a 180 takes an unrealistically long time. 180 turns are important to get out of the open and return to cover. 3. A lot of cqc requires turning toward opponents, such as when you are attacking up hill and a scout comes flying out of nowhere and jumps over your head while doing a 180 turn. After lag + human response time, a low HP avatar will have already been killed by a shotgun after turning only about 30 degrees. 4. Given the short TTK, players need to be able to quickly react to surprising situations. Otherwise all surprising situations will result in death, which removes quick response thinking from the game entirely, and replaces it with eye rolling. Quote for truth. Your points are valid and everyone who disagrees with a turn speed buff is a mouth breathing idiot. Seriously, I think if I just block everyone in this thread that doesn't want a turn speed buff, my forum reading experience will improve 1000% How can you brain dead fools defend the current turn speed when even BORDERLANDS lets you turn faster. BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2375	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:43:00 - [26] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I wasn't aware that weapons such as the Plasma Cannon and Shotgun, which I assume you are referring to with One Hit Kill weapons, were Scout only. Nope he's referring to Nova Knives, Shotguns and Remote Explosives. Only suit hipster enough to use a Plasma Cannon is Gallente Commando. Amarr Logis were Plasma Cannon users before Plasma Cannons were cool. Home at Last <3
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2526	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:51:00 - [27] - Quote kekekekeke..... Recon is an Art Anything you can do a NINJA* can do better* Seijuro Shin of Dust
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 985	Posted - 2015.02.10 08:51:00 - [28] - Quote Are we playing the same game? I was in a match where I sneaked up behind a Heavy and shoot him only to have the heavy insta turn and mow me down. Changes to Damage mods!
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 669	Posted - 2015.02.10 09:08:00 - [29] - Quote i have no trouble turning on scouts..............but of course i sprint forward, jump then turn.......... (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs _/ \
Jason Pearson Legio DXIV 4376	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:32:00 - [30] - Quote And there I was at 0 sensitivity thinking I'm still turning too fast, woops.



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