DUST Search - Do nanite injectors even exist anymore?

DootDoot wrote:

CCP Rattati is one of those elaborate trolls about Nanite injectors.

Nanite injectors should be -1 death. He knows it... Everyone knows it.... But it is probably way to hard for them to code and they don't want to admit it.

If your Clone didn't die.... Then How did you die? It Makes no sense in the realm of DUST 514 and the story and game concept that we have been given.

Instead CCP Rattati believes that if you get beat then you should have a death marker on your character... No matter if you never died and your clone was never terminated.

Worse? He then catered this amazing mechanic around the very very few DUST players who never want to be picked up because they have spent years with this unfinished un polished mechanic that we warned CCP about since the beginnings of this game.

Clones do not belong to the individual Mercenary.... They Belong to the team as a whole... You should have no choice about being picked up... If a Logi gets to you with a Needle? You get picked up whether you want to or not...

The Team needs that clone and life to stay competitive... To Bring in those close matches.

But when you get picked up you get -1 death and a chance to defend your ISK investment? No one can make an argument against why nearly every player would embrace the needle mechanic and actually look forward to it.

We Have taken one of the most amazing items in the game "Nanite Injectors" And one of the core concept this game was built on... "When your clone is terminated your conscience gets transferred to a new clone* And never put 1 amd 1 together to complete the vision.

Instead CCP Rattati is stuck in chest puffing land thinking if i beat you, even if i didn't double tap your incapacitated clone... You should die. And have a mark against you.

No Matter how little sense it makes in the application he is referring to.

Alot of people white knight Rattati.... But seriously... He spent a year buffing and nerfing everything... And has spent more time gutting DUST's mechanics that where good.... Inertia Dampener, Nanite Injector... Bandwidth....

He has spent more time taking away from this game then he has ever added to it.

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gogenks Dead Man's Game RUST415 70	Posted - 2015.02.09 00:38:00 - [31] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Most logis are repping heavies and their proto friends. I drop nanos only at my own convenience. I don't have enough patience or money to be running logi anymore :/ and no one sends thank you mail anymore +1 devo scrivere x forza qualcosa?
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 615	Posted - 2015.02.09 00:40:00 - [32] - Quote Logi all day on mine, stay near me and i'll help you out. Unless you are a MLT or STD fit, good luck with that.
davis fritz Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 53	Posted - 2015.02.09 00:44:00 - [33] - Quote I run always run needles on my logi suits. When I run logi I put more emphasis on revive than I do repair. If I can't get to someone, it's because of where they went down. Running out into the open to get someone up will result in my death and another one for them.
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2474	Posted - 2015.02.09 00:47:00 - [34] - Quote <--80% Needle carrying, Allotek(R) dropping, Lai-dai Flux leash using logi for hire. Hell, I even carry an 80% needle on my Assaults We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
DootDoot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 409	Posted - 2015.02.09 00:48:00 - [35] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I doubt this. IIRC he has expressed a desire to improve this mechanic. ... The call for help mechanic was put in to prevent stupidity like repeatedly reviving someone in fire so they get killed over and over. There's more bashing in this post than even I can stomach, honestly. Rattati is not deliberately deciding not to implement this stuff because he's arrogant or whatever rubbish you care to think up. It's just there are hundreds of little bits like this to get done and they can't all happen at once. As for 'buffing and nerfing everything' Rattati managed better balance changes in a few months than an entire team of devs managed in years. I disapprove of his latest exploits with warbarge damage bonuses and suchlike, but your particular brand of idiocy is beyond the pale. First off... CCP Rattati wrote: Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Lots of people here love their KDRs, right? So suppose you don't get a death counted against your KDR until you are terminated? This would have people wanting to be revived because it wouldn't hurt their KDRs. This is a thing I've been asking for for a long time. I understand why you would think this way, but I disagree. If you get put down, you got killed, no two ways about it. Guy who shot you earned a K, you unfortunately earned a D. Just because you can be revived doesn't mean you can un-ring that bell. I agree with this 100% There are over 5 posts made by Rattati pretty much expressing the same. And Yes. A Player that has their clone incapacitated... Got beat... But they never died. If a clone is not terminated... By Every explanation of how DUST works... How it has been sold to us... Even the first movie you see joining the game... You didn't die if your clone isn't terminated.... Your conscience is still active in that clone. If that player that incapacitated the clone then shoots a few bullets.. "Double tapping" The incapacitated clone... Sure they then died. Players can puff up their chest and spout crap like "But I won so he should have a death" But it will never make sense in the context of DUST. Or Even in games like Battlefield... when you get picked up by a medic and its -1 death... Or the hundreds of other FPS games that have a revive mechanic. That don't even have to explain the whole clone concept. On to Rattati. Are we seriously any closer to balance then we have ever been? Can u say that and feel that it is true? We have gone around the cycle that we have since the start... Nerfing this and Buffing that... Leaving some weapons strong.. Some useless.. Some lesser... Same things with suits. There is no parity even between shield and armor... Rattati spent a YEAR.... a WHOLE YEAR.... on balancing things.. And we are at the same exact spot. I Will take someones actions over their words or someone white knighting what they have done. Yes things take time... Rattati has had more time then any single developer or developer team. CCP's then, Team True Grit... a few dudes... Created all the main features to this game in less time. Regardless of what people "feel" actions speak louder then words... And when you start measuring actions vs the words given... It looks terrible.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1170	Posted - 2015.02.09 02:07:00 - [36] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Cos I've not seen a single one since I started back up. No-one's dropping nanohives or uplinks either - and hell, there aren't even that many logis going around. What's the deal? In reverse, I'm a logi not seeing enough players sticking around... Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
HOLY PERFECTION OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2015.02.09 02:08:00 - [37] - Quote If you need a logi hit me up!!! I run rep tool, drop uplinks, nano hives, and nanites. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16928	Posted - 2015.02.09 02:57:00 - [38] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Rattati spent a YEAR.... a WHOLE YEAR.... on balancing things.. And we are at the same exact spot. I Will take someones actions over their words or someone white knighting what they have done. Spreading lies and misinformation will get you banned. I took over on May 16, and we are not at the same exact spot. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1083	Posted - 2015.02.09 03:43:00 - [39] - Quote The revive button mechanics are close, but need to be worked the other way... Instead of pressing the button to ask for a revive, it should be Press the button to ACCEPT a revive. (within 4 seconds) http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2259	Posted - 2015.02.09 03:48:00 - [40] - Quote People don't request revives so logis don't waste a slot carrying a needle. I don't play nearly as much as I used to, but when I do I nearly always run logi. Even if I'm playing solo. Links, reps, needle. I'm lucky if I see three people in a match request a revive and their body not being someplace silly like right in front of an enemy tank. If I was focusing purely on my personal gain I'd replace that needle with a hive. I've certainly run out of ammo enough times to benefit from it even if nobody else uses the thing.

castba Rogue Instincts 755	Posted - 2015.02.09 04:50:00 - [41] - Quote DootDoot wrote: CCP Rattati is one of those elaborate trolls about Nanite injectors. Nanite injectors should be -1 death. He knows it... Everyone knows it.... But it is probably way to hard for them to code and they don't want to admit it. If your Clone didn't die.... Then How did you die? It Makes no sense in the realm of DUST 514 and the story and game concept that we have been given. Instead CCP Rattati believes that if you get beat then you should have a death marker on your character... No matter if you never died and your clone was never terminated. Worse? He then catered this amazing mechanic around the very very few DUST players who never want to be picked up because they have spent years with this unfinished un polished mechanic that we warned CCP about since the beginnings of this game. Clones do not belong to the individual Mercenary.... They Belong to the team as a whole... You should have no choice about being picked up... If a Logi gets to you with a Needle? You get picked up whether you want to or not... The Team needs that clone and life to stay competitive... To Bring in those close matches. But when you get picked up you get -1 death and a chance to defend your ISK investment? No one can make an argument against why nearly every player would embrace the needle mechanic and actually look forward to it. We Have taken one of the most amazing items in the game "Nanite Injectors" And one of the core concept this game was built on... "When your clone is terminated your conscience gets transferred to a new clone* And never put 1 amd 1 together to complete the vision. Instead CCP Rattati is stuck in chest puffing land thinking if i beat you, even if i didn't double tap your incapacitated clone... You should die. And have a mark against you. No Matter how little sense it makes in the application he is referring to. Alot of people white knight Rattati.... But seriously... He spent a year buffing and nerfing everything... And has spent more time gutting DUST's mechanics that where good.... Inertia Dampener, Nanite Injector... Bandwidth.... He has spent more time taking away from this game then he has ever added to it. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Lorhak Gannarsein nos nothi 4256	Posted - 2015.02.09 09:47:00 - [42] - Quote castba wrote: DootDoot wrote: ...entitled KD-padding QQ... So basically what you want is to be able to die but without anyone knowing? When your clone gets revived, your team keeps a clone. You still lost the fight. Well, here goes nothing!!!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1944	Posted - 2015.02.09 10:04:00 - [43] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Cos I've not seen a single one since I started back up. No-one's dropping nanohives or uplinks either - and hell, there aren't even that many logis going around. What's the deal? I run a wyakormi. I will only pick you up if you die at my feet. I'm sacrificing killing power to tend to your wounds cover my ass while I do. I will se to it that you make money Who wants some?
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1438	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:45:00 - [44] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: The revive button mechanics are close, but need to be worked the other way... Instead of pressing the button to ask for a revive, it should be Press the button to ACCEPT a revive. (within 4 seconds) This would be so much better. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 448	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:42:00 - [45] - Quote Unless I'm dealing Forge Gun damage, you'll always see me in a Gallente Logistic gk.0 If I'm tank hunting, I don't have any logi tools on me but if you don't see me tank hunting I carry a nanite injector and rep tool and I don't need a thank you email, because I'm there to kick ass and pick you up when your ass gets kicked so we can win, not for you to swing off my nuts with gratitude.
RayRay James State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 987	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:58:00 - [46] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: <--80% Needle carrying, Allotek(R) dropping, Lai-dai Flux leash using logi for hire. Hell, I even carry an 80% needle on my Assaults +1 for the Classified Ad Except I also have a scanner and I don't use assaults.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1770	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:07:00 - [47] - Quote There are no revives... because if I was to post here looking for a Medic, you would offer Logi support And I would sigh, as I watch the least combat effective suit in the game, push forward for a revive... Logi's are considered 'Medics' becuase they have equipment slots... Yet they are the furthest thing from a Medic you can have in Dust... Don't blame game mechanics for the players blantant stupidity. Assault/Commando have the stopping power needed to be a medic Even a damn Scout can be a better medic because it's not obvious he is there But a damn bumble-bee, equipment ***** with the least effective combat stats in game.. SHOULD NOT BE A BLOODY MEDIC IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!! They are support, carrying repair / scans, or dropping links / hives.. Yet becuase they are so eager to drain every WP possible, an injector is a must have... Then we have constant complaints.. there are no revives.. well genius, the guy carrying the needle is also in the weakest possible, and has died before coming near you But, I'm sure you all prefer losing suits / ISK and complaining than actually solving the problem.. So feel free to skip over my rant aimed at ALL OF YOU.
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 448	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:40:00 - [48] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: There are no revives... because if I was to post here looking for a Medic, you would offer Logi support And I would sigh, as I watch the least combat effective suit in the game, push forward for a revive... Logi's are considered 'Medics' becuase they have equipment slots... Yet they are the furthest thing from a Medic you can have in Dust... Don't blame game mechanics for the players blantant stupidity. Assault/Commando have the stopping power needed to be a medic Even a damn Scout can be a better medic because it's not obvious he is there But a damn bumble-bee, equipment ***** with the least effective combat stats in game.. SHOULD NOT BE A BLOODY MEDIC IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!! They are support, carrying repair / scans, or dropping links / hives.. Yet becuase they are so eager to drain every WP possible, an injector is a must have... Then we have constant complaints.. there are no revives.. well genius, the guy carrying the needle is also in the weakest possible, and has died before coming near you But, I'm sure you all prefer losing suits / ISK and complaining than actually solving the problem.. So feel free to skip over my rant aimed at ALL OF YOU. I'm a prime example of your theory gone to crapski, broski. I am tanked 967EHP in my Gal gk.0 logi suit, carry a needle and a rep tool and an angry Duvolle AR....see me in the match with you? Press "Help Me Epic!" and if I see you asking for my help, I'll stab your neck with my friendly needle and then rep you back to health and send you on your way to wreak havoc on 'em raspberries. So there goes your theory, holmes.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3186	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:14:00 - [49] - Quote What was the dev post that was deleted? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Forlorn Destrier Incorruptibles 3266	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:43:00 - [50] - Quote DootDoot wrote: CCP Rattati is one of those elaborate trolls about Nanite injectors. Nanite injectors should be -1 death. He knows it... Everyone knows it.... But it is probably way to hard for them to code and they don't want to admit it. If your Clone didn't die.... Then How did you die? It Makes no sense in the realm of DUST 514 and the story and game concept that we have been given. Instead CCP Rattati believes that if you get beat then you should have a death marker on your character... No matter if you never died and your clone was never terminated. Worse? He then catered this amazing mechanic around the very very few DUST players who never want to be picked up because they have spent years with this unfinished un polished mechanic that we warned CCP about since the beginnings of this game. Clones do not belong to the individual Mercenary.... They Belong to the team as a whole... You should have no choice about being picked up... If a Logi gets to you with a Needle? You get picked up whether you want to or not... The Team needs that clone and life to stay competitive... To Bring in those close matches. But when you get picked up you get -1 death and a chance to defend your ISK investment? No one can make an argument against why nearly every player would embrace the needle mechanic and actually look forward to it. We Have taken one of the most amazing items in the game "Nanite Injectors" And one of the core concept this game was built on... "When your clone is terminated your conscience gets transferred to a new clone* And never put 1 amd 1 together to complete the vision. Instead CCP Rattati is stuck in chest puffing land thinking if i beat you, even if i didn't double tap your incapacitated clone... You should die. And have a mark against you. No Matter how little sense it makes in the application he is referring to. Alot of people white knight Rattati.... But seriously... He spent a year buffing and nerfing everything... And has spent more time gutting DUST's mechanics that where good.... Inertia Dampener, Nanite Injector... Bandwidth.... He has spent more time taking away from this game then he has ever added to it. As a proto logi player, I disagree with part of what you said. First, what I agree on. Yes, a revivied clone should not count against your KDR. If this were changed, I think more people would call for help. No, it was not a complaint from a small few people - it was from a lot of people in the community., The call for help is important because there were people with no regard for anything reviving people. This is a problem for 2 reasons. First, every time they "die" (see above) it hurts their numbers, and logis never cleared the area first (often running a full BPO suit so who cares) and second because the downed players wanted to get a different suit for various reasons. Fix the first, and more people will ask for help and you won't be complaining as much. Also - the clone's may be the teams, but the suits are the ISK earned by the players. They should have a right not to be revived if they are willing to sacrifice their ISK in the process. The lore is that we are immortal - and everything that comes with that fits in. We don't care about dying if it is for the betterment of the team as a whole. Perhaps re-spawning is better? Re-suit to a better fitting; try a different tactic as your current tactis is failing; re-position yourself; resupply yourself. So many reasons to terminate, and again this is coming from a proto logi. The other thing I have to say - I see people call for help with regularity in my matches. Maybe I'm lucky, maybe I"m recognized as a player who didn't start as a Logi (I'm an Assault at heart) so they know I clear the area first. I'll defend their downed body, staying close so that they know I'm still shooting at someone they can't see, and I think they appreciate that fact. Also - he's done more to revive the game than detract from it. Bandwidth was needed, the inertia dampeners shouldn't have been changed, but you are neglecting all the positive. If you are going to call his entire run into question, you can't leave out the positive for the sake of making a point. No +1 for you, as most of your post seems trollish. I am the *Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning* *Havok* is my *Destiny* I am *Incorruptible*

Lorhak Gannarsein nos nothi 4262	Posted - 2015.02.10 08:43:00 - [51] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: What was the dev post that was deleted? Dunno! I want to know. Never actually seen that before. I suppose I ought to be honoured Well, here goes nothing!!!
Forlorn Destrier Incorruptibles 3266	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:31:00 - [52] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: What was the dev post that was deleted? Dunno! I want to know. Never actually seen that before. I suppose I ought to be honoured Happens when they do regular moderator stuff (edit posts with cussing, move threads, etc) I am the *Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning* *Havok* is my *Destiny* I am *Incorruptible*
Jason Pearson Legio DXIV 4376	Posted - 2015.02.10 11:03:00 - [53] - Quote I'll pick you up, Meatshield.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1466	Posted - 2015.02.10 11:09:00 - [54] - Quote There's no one running around outside of my own squads worth picking up to be quite honest. Everyone just runs militia garbage, APEX/LP suits or doesn't care if they lose a suit. I'm the Rayman of uplinks. AIV member. 21 day EVE trial.
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4264	Posted - 2015.02.10 11:49:00 - [55] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: There's no one running around outside of my own squads worth picking up to be quite honest. Everyone just runs militia garbage, APEX/LP suits or doesn't care if they lose a suit. I care :( Well, here goes nothing!!!


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