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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2015.02.08 01:33:00 -
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Don't pretend like it doesn't need to happen. We are on a 8 year old console, and the devs are pushing everything they can out of this old tech to get sub standard gameplay (which looking at the grandness and the team size is pretty impressive). We need new tech, because doing anything more, as in size or simply something cool just won't happen on the PS3.
I don't really care which, but Dust needs to move to PS4, PC, or both. Hell, if we do, and get a bigger team, we could do lots of things to make the game generally play better. For example, we could have larger, more dynamic maps and player counts, which would really help with vehicle balance.
Also, you guys could greatly increase the preformance of the game (and even make it nicer to the eye). 60 FPS Dust that looks nice sounds great.
ALSO that would make bank. Looking at F2P shooters, Dust seems to be one of, if not the best ones you can play right now. Most of them simply just sucks. porting this to PS4 or PC (and making it known that it is) would grab a lot of people's attention. That means more players, and more customers for CCP.
So do it CCP.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.08 01:35:00 -
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CCP wrote:We don't like money
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2015.02.08 01:37:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:CCP wrote:We don't like money
Well, you like tears, right? a better game on the newest **** will attract more players to farm tears from
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One Eyed King
nos nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.08 01:46:00 -
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My guess is that they have every wish to move Legion to the PS4, but it is too early for them to share that because of what has previously happened in terms of promises made and promises broken.
Not to mention any of the fools out there who see one thing discussed and suddenly it becomes a promise...
This is why we can't have nice things.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.08 02:03:00 -
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The next iteration of Dust/Legion needs to be cross platform like it was originally supposed to be.
Microsoft wouldn't let it happen. The community should come together and pressure them to let it happen on the new consoles
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.02.08 02:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:We don't like effort Fixed.
CCP is actually very fond of money, as noted by the AURLords 1.0 expansion.
Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, you like tears, right? a better game on the newest **** will attract more players to farm tears from This is actually false, most players with high-end gaming rigs and/or PS4s aren't from an impoverished area and can not only afford to purchase games better than DUST, but typically seek reviews about a game before playing it.
Given how most (probably all) critics have given this a bad review, and the whole FF 2014 ordeal I can guarantee that most people who look up this game will come to the logical conclusion that its not worth their time. Those who don't do the research will play the game for 3hrs and come to the same conclusion.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2015.02.08 03:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:We don't like effort Fixed. CCP is actually very fond of money, as noted by the AURLords 1.0 expansion. Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, you like tears, right? a better game on the newest **** will attract more players to farm tears from This is actually false, most players with high-end gaming rigs and/or PS4s aren't from an impoverished area and can not only afford to purchase games better than DUST, but typically seek reviews about a game before playing it. Given how most (probably all) critics have given this a bad review, and the whole FF 2014 ordeal I can guarantee that most people who look up this game will come to the logical conclusion that its not worth their time. Those who don't do the research will play the game for 3hrs and come to the same conclusion.
Those reviews are very old, and wouldn't cover the state of the game even now.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.02.08 04:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote: Those reviews are very old, and wouldn't cover the state of the game even now.
They're old, but...
Gamespot wrote:http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/dust-514-review/1900-6415604/ The gameplay's more tangible issues are too numerous to recount in full. They're wastelands of muddy industrial sameness, with no attention to scale or flow. Paths dead-end nonsensically. Ladders and hallways lead to empty rooms devoid of relation to objectives or tactics. Weapon types are tremendously imbalanced. Audio effects sound cheap and have little relevance to the direction or proximity of their source. Dips in the frame rate result in distant enemies frequently looking like they're moving in stop-motion. The list goes on, but the problems run deeper. [...] Games like Halo and Call of Duty may be more limited in scope than Dust 514, but they can stave off any existential dread through the excitement and immediacy of their combat. Dust can make no such claims. Its poor gameplay is a taint that spreads upward from the roots, vitiating the lofty aspirations of its other features. Skill and weapon unlocks, ordinarily the cherry on top of a satisfying gaming session, morph into taunting reminders of the grind to come. The experience points, money, and items that signify forward progress become signposts that warn you're going in circles: kill to get better weapons, to kill better, to get better weapons. All the work CCP puts into crafting a larger dystopian fiction bleeds into the real experience in this fashion: you feel like a cog in a formless machine, working--not playing--in service to obscure overlords and nebulous goals. [...] Dust's link to EVE was supposed to provide the context for these endless war games. But the bond between the two games remains ill-defined. Corporations, the life blood of EVE, barely receive an introduction in Dust. Ditto for the former game's vast libraries of lore. Sitting in the cramped mercenary's quarters, just a few menu clicks away from jumping into battles all across the universe, it's impossible to get a sense of the vastness of space that makes the massively multiplayer online role-playing game at once so daunting and mysterious. We know that data transmits across the void between EVE and Dust, because a name taken in one cannot be used in the other. But personality never makes the jump.
IGN wrote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review Before we even get into the larger universe around it, the most critical problem is that the actual shooting isnGÇÖt up to snuff. Similar games like Battlefield 3 succeed by making it fun to fight both on foot and in vehicles, but Dust struggles to even make firing a gun feel right, much less vehicle combat [...] Controls are frustratingly finicky across the board, shoddy collision detection leads to getting stuck on terrain you should be able to walk clear over, and a plethora of other odd idiosyncrasies constantly get between you and what you want to do. [...] THE VERDICTDust 514 truly aims high with a one-of-a-kind cross-platform endeavor. But such ambition is in vain if you don't have a solid foundation, and Dust's crumbles almost from the get-go. Its wonky mechanics, weak graphics, and microtransaction fueled grind make it numbing to play long enough to explore its depth, and its persistent elements are completely lost on anyone who doesn't already have a foot down in the EVE universe. The ideas behind Dust 514 are clearly strong, but so too is the disappointment when they crumble under the weight of its free-to-play baggage.
The reviews are still quite accurate, and still cover this game's current state.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2846
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Posted - 2015.02.08 05:27:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote: Those reviews are very old, and wouldn't cover the state of the game even now.
They're old, but... Gamespot wrote:http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/dust-514-review/1900-6415604/ The gameplay's more tangible issues are too numerous to recount in full. They're wastelands of muddy industrial sameness, with no attention to scale or flow. Paths dead-end nonsensically. Ladders and hallways lead to empty rooms devoid of relation to objectives or tactics. Weapon types are tremendously imbalanced. Audio effects sound cheap and have little relevance to the direction or proximity of their source. Dips in the frame rate result in distant enemies frequently looking like they're moving in stop-motion. The list goes on, but the problems run deeper. [...] Games like Halo and Call of Duty may be more limited in scope than Dust 514, but they can stave off any existential dread through the excitement and immediacy of their combat. Dust can make no such claims. Its poor gameplay is a taint that spreads upward from the roots, vitiating the lofty aspirations of its other features. Skill and weapon unlocks, ordinarily the cherry on top of a satisfying gaming session, morph into taunting reminders of the grind to come. The experience points, money, and items that signify forward progress become signposts that warn you're going in circles: kill to get better weapons, to kill better, to get better weapons. All the work CCP puts into crafting a larger dystopian fiction bleeds into the real experience in this fashion: you feel like a cog in a formless machine, working--not playing--in service to obscure overlords and nebulous goals. [...] Dust's link to EVE was supposed to provide the context for these endless war games. But the bond between the two games remains ill-defined. Corporations, the life blood of EVE, barely receive an introduction in Dust. Ditto for the former game's vast libraries of lore. Sitting in the cramped mercenary's quarters, just a few menu clicks away from jumping into battles all across the universe, it's impossible to get a sense of the vastness of space that makes the massively multiplayer online role-playing game at once so daunting and mysterious. We know that data transmits across the void between EVE and Dust, because a name taken in one cannot be used in the other. But personality never makes the jump. IGN wrote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review Before we even get into the larger universe around it, the most critical problem is that the actual shooting isnGÇÖt up to snuff. Similar games like Battlefield 3 succeed by making it fun to fight both on foot and in vehicles, but Dust struggles to even make firing a gun feel right, much less vehicle combat [...] Controls are frustratingly finicky across the board, shoddy collision detection leads to getting stuck on terrain you should be able to walk clear over, and a plethora of other odd idiosyncrasies constantly get between you and what you want to do. [...] THE VERDICTDust 514 truly aims high with a one-of-a-kind cross-platform endeavor. But such ambition is in vain if you don't have a solid foundation, and Dust's crumbles almost from the get-go. Its wonky mechanics, weak graphics, and microtransaction fueled grind make it numbing to play long enough to explore its depth, and its persistent elements are completely lost on anyone who doesn't already have a foot down in the EVE universe. The ideas behind Dust 514 are clearly strong, but so too is the disappointment when they crumble under the weight of its free-to-play baggage. The reviews are still quite accurate, and still cover this game's current state.
The IGN one claims it to be a terrible shooter with P2W aspects, as far as I can tell anyways, and that didn't exist then, nor does it exist now (WB isn't really P2W, and the rest is easy enough to get to where spending money is pointless). The game could use a lot of work, but it's not necessarily the **** game they make it out to be (release day BF4 was much worse, and it got far higher scores, so meh).
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.02.08 05:56:00 -
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The problem is that if Dust has any chance of a long term future (a year +) it needs to move off of the sinking ship that is the PS3. No matter how much the game progresses and improves, it will die with the PS3. A move to PS4 MUST happen if this game is going to keep going in the long term.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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tritan abbattere
DBAG CORE
25
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:01:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:The problem is that if Dust has any chance of a long term future (a year +) it needs to move off of the sinking ship that is the PS3. No matter how much the game progresses and improves, it will die with the PS3. A move to PS4 MUST happen if this game is going to keep going in the long term.
yes it dose but it should not be rushed. Planing is needed. it would be like telling everyone lets run this way on a sinking boat. and with chance it could put them in a dead end to drown.
dust 514 needs to get better or the need to make project legion and move all of our characters to that before we move it off the ps3.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4828
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:02:00 -
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tritan abbattere wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:The problem is that if Dust has any chance of a long term future (a year +) it needs to move off of the sinking ship that is the PS3. No matter how much the game progresses and improves, it will die with the PS3. A move to PS4 MUST happen if this game is going to keep going in the long term. yes it dose but it should not be rushed. Planing is needed. it would be like telling everyone lets run this way on a sinking boat. and with chance it could put them in a dead end to drown. dust 514 needs to get better or the need to make project legion and move all of our characters to that before we move it off the ps3.
Sure but the fact of the matter is that we as players need to show a strong and united push to make this happen so CCP can justify the resources to make it happen. I think people basically agree that it needs to happen, but we need to be more vocal about it overall.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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tritan abbattere
DBAG CORE
25
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:06:00 -
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Well Maybe a CCP dev could reply to this post so we can talk about what they can do atm and near future? Theres a lot of work that would be needed to move to either platform and it would take lots of money and they may not have the budget to do it atm.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4828
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:07:00 -
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tritan abbattere wrote:Well Maybe a CCP dev could reply to this post so we can talk about what they can do atm and near future? Theres a lot of work that would be needed to move to either platform and it would take lots of money and they may not have the budget to do it atm.
Honestly its more of a decision of upper management, and not really in Ratatti's hands. Even so...
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Adipem Nothi
nos nothi
6502
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:31:00 -
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Why don't we push Sony to build a PS3 emulator into the PS4?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4828
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:45:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Why don't we push Sony to build a PS3 emulator into the PS4?
Oh lawd how I would love that. I love the PS4 and all of its shiny features, would be sweet to have that for some other PS3 games.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Adipem Nothi
nos nothi
6502
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:59:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Why don't we push Sony to build a PS3 emulator into the PS4? Oh lawd how I would love that. I love the PS4 and all of its shiny features, would be sweet to have that for some other PS3 games.
Walked into a Gamestop over Christmas. About 40 PS4 titles on display, half of which were derping sports games. The PS3 games had easily 10x the shelf space. There are hundreds more games I'd rather buy/play on PS3 than the entirety of titles available PS4 (most of which are either sh!t or also available on PS3).
In a word, it'd be worth Sony's time. Even if it were only downloadable PS3 titles from Playstation Store (like Dust!). Doubly so, if they're serious about discontinuing PS3 production next year.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4829
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Posted - 2015.02.08 07:24:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Why don't we push Sony to build a PS3 emulator into the PS4? Oh lawd how I would love that. I love the PS4 and all of its shiny features, would be sweet to have that for some other PS3 games. Walked into a Gamestop over Christmas. About 40 PS4 titles on display, half of which were derping sports games. The PS3 games had easily 10x the shelf space. There are hundreds more games I'd rather buy/play on PS3 than the entirety of titles available PS4 (most of which are either sh!t or also available on PS3). In a word, it'd be worth Sony's time. Even if it were only downloadable PS3 titles from Playstation Store (like Dust!). Doubly so, if they're serious about discontinuing PS3 production next year.
Not to mention that even though the only game I play regularly on PS3 is Dust, I would be disinclined to buy a new PS3 if mine died (and its really on its last leg, probably 7 years old now). If CCP doesn't want the series to die a slow death as PS3's start to give out, either Sony needs to put out an emulator, or Dust needs to just make the move to PS4.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.02.08 14:38:00 -
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Yes, so much yes.
It is just so obvious that it needs to move asap seriously. Trying to blag every last bit of memory out of the lolps3 is what is happening, people keep talking aboutt how things could be so good and fail to realise what a joke the game is being made on which would be the lolps3.
Come on devs we want the game to carry on proper (carry on proper, get it?).
But serously i want the game to carry on and become everything we want.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.02.08 14:42:00 -
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I just bumped my thread saying the same thing and using the dust offline stats to back up reason.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:50:00 -
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I also want proper DS4 support. Being able to use a wireless cord AND having the touch pad would be baws.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.02.08 18:26:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I also want proper DS4 support. Being able to use a wireless cord AND having the touch pad would be baws.
Sadly I think thats more of a limitation of the system and not the game, but I could be wrong.
However I do agree that a move to the PS4 would have the very nice added benefit of the DS4 which feels so much better than even my beloved DS3.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2015.02.08 18:56:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I also want proper DS4 support. Being able to use a wireless cord AND having the touch pad would be baws. Sadly I think thats more of a limitation of the system and not the game, but I could be wrong. However I do agree that a move to the PS4 would have the very nice added benefit of the DS4 which feels so much better than even my beloved DS3.
I don't even own a DS3 (broke all 5 that I own)
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:37:00 -
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FFS.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:15:00 -
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Bump and ting.
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