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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5256
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Posted - 2015.02.04 05:35:00 -
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A stock character has the ability to generate 200 components per day at base sell back of 900 ISK per component. This equates to 180K ISK. Or, 540K across 3 accounts. Or, 34.5 million across the maximum number of accounts created from a PS3 (64 accounts, ~9 hour grind) Or, the DeadlyAztec11. 4.14 Billion ~Hospitalization / Hazardous to farm in one go
While I do illustrate extreme examples, the dedicated farmer will improve their harvest yield the more they tend to it by keeping components from reaching their 2 day threshold.
Yes, I see alt farming ISK via npc sell back of components could become an issue. I ask that you please severely reduce or eliminate NPC sell-back prices on components. However, I would be perfectly fine if you allowed players to continue stockpiling components for later sale between players and to corporations, therein allowing the player market to dictate the value of people's farming time. I say power to the no-lifers! 'Gold farmers' contracted by individual people or corps have the ability to leverage their farming production abilities. Not to worry. Component donations en-mass to corps are not an issue because that facet will be managed by CCP with command points.
FARMVILLE 514! It's a new way to play and compete in New Eden.
  
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
2603
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Posted - 2015.02.04 05:40:00 -
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You can sell back components?
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
14862
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Posted - 2015.02.04 05:41:00 -
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Hush! Keep it a secret hooman!
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
5216
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Posted - 2015.02.04 05:46:00 -
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Aurum proto suits is now cheaper by buying the components and selling them for isk to buy the isk version instead.... but while typing this I realize aurum allows you to use the item a lvl above what you have.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5256
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Posted - 2015.02.04 05:51:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aurum proto suits is now cheaper by buying the components and selling them for isk to buy the isk version instead.... but while typing this I realize aurum allows you to use the item a lvl above what you have. The best value around for selling AUR items back (besides components) are Turrets...if you're tracking me.
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
16396

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Posted - 2015.02.04 06:41:00 -
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This will get fixed! Thanks for the heads up.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Bojo The Mighty
Condor Squad
5547
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Posted - 2015.02.04 06:48:00 -
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I say let farmers farm
Because I'd rather have people with that kind of mindset tied up mindlessly wasting hours on virtual entertainment than turn said people loose onto the public because they can't farm and end up creeping out coffee baristas.
A creeped out barista does not make good coffee
Bojo For CPM
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5256
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Posted - 2015.02.04 06:50:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:This will get fixed! Thanks for the heads up. Thank you sir. See, Rattati can keep his head above water on expansion/patch day. He is indeed a good swimmer. 
Here are some affirmations from Jeff Bridges on the topic.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5256
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Posted - 2015.02.04 06:51:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:A creeped out barista does not make good coffee This is a very specific example. 
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Bojo The Mighty
Condor Squad
5549
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Posted - 2015.02.04 07:53:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:A creeped out barista does not make good coffee This is a very specific example.  One of many. 
Bojo For CPM
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
240
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Posted - 2015.02.04 12:23:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:This will get fixed! Thanks for the heads up. Why? It's not really an exploit ..oh wait
Your thoughts must be..i have to leave dust as isk squelched as possible to promote aur purchase ..can't add anything that brings depth or dog like aspects to dust ..
This us probably the coolest part if the patch ..and your gunna fix it ..meaning mess it up ..why do u have to ruin enjoyable aspects if dust ..you can farm isk in eve why not in dust ...
Most vets would be giving Thier components to their corps anyway as a little isk everyday means nothing ..
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
240
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Posted - 2015.02.04 12:24:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:This will get fixed! Thanks for the heads up. Thank you sir. See, Rattati can keep his head above water on expansion/patch day. He is indeed a good swimmer.  Here are some affirmations from Jeff Bridges on the topic. It s I sent need to be fixed it's one of the only rpg. Aspects if dust
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
240
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Posted - 2015.02.04 12:29:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:This will get fixed! Thanks for the heads up. If your going to ruin the best part of ur crummy little personal mcc idea give me back my aurum ...This is so classic ccp put something great in dust get people to spend money then ruin it so they can never enjoy Thier purchase
This so called exploit needs no isk it's just a nice alternative to donating components.
Do not ruin this ccp ..This will be the last time I donate to dust if you do
It's actually the only real reason to spec up mcc ..which is just q fancy picture with irrelevant bonuses with its only nice aspect is being able to passively generate isk
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1453
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Posted - 2015.02.04 12:46:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:This will get fixed! Thanks for the heads up. If your going to ruin the best part of ur crummy little personal mcc idea give me back my aurum ...This is so classic ccp put something great in dust get people to spend money then ruin it so they can never enjoy Thier purchase This so called exploit needs no fix it's just a nice alternative to donating components. Do not ruin this ccp ..This will be the last time I donate to dust if you do It's actually the only real reason to spec up mcc ..which is just q fancy picture with irrelevant bonuses with its only nice aspect is being able to passively generate isk
+1
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Duke Noobiam
The Dukes of Death
364
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Posted - 2015.02.04 12:59:00 -
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Lols at all the pissed off ISK farmers.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5954
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Posted - 2015.02.04 13:22:00 -
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As long as we don't start paying people for fighting hard in matches.
I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
245
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Posted - 2015.02.04 13:29:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Lols at all the pissed off ISK farmers.
I'm no isk farmer I have more isk than most of the veteran players in dust I make my money through death not farming ..i would also be donating my components to my corp because I'm a team player and my mcc is already imperfect..sp wither way this effects me not at all..However I believe that ratatti should leave this in because ultimately the sp and isk generating modules on the mcc is trash ..and this is a farming aspect that will bring no harm likely the new player who figures this out will find it a charming rpg aspect of dust that helps them generate isk to get through your squelched game without a destroyed moral. Over all this adds depth content and a saving grace for new players a way for them to choose between saving up for minimal permanent bonuses or cashing in every few days for a isk payout...sure if your look at the numbers generated by as Jadek says running 64 ALTS and spending 9 hours just farming they are great ..and to anyone who is such a terrible player that they will sit there swapping between 64 accounts and collecting isk instead of playing the game and enjoying it ..you have no life why should a brilliant aspects of dust that adds an rpg..style depth to dust..and gives new players a choice to save for perm stat gain or spend for monetary gain be removed because of the select few no lifers that will spend so much time harvesting accounts that they are no longer in game anyway
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
1194
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Posted - 2015.02.04 13:34:00 -
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passive isk farming is a bad idea CCP never learn from his own mistakes
«Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
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Rain0001
Team Evil
3
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:19:00 -
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This thread was amusing, thanks for that Jadek. 180k ISK per day is a lot! |

Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8374
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:20:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aurum proto suits is now cheaper by buying the components and selling them for isk to buy the isk version instead.... but while typing this I realize aurum allows you to use the item a lvl above what you have. The best value around for selling AUR items back (besides components) are Turrets...if you're tracking me.
Or you could go over to Eve, spend $20 on a PLEX, sell it for ISK, give that ISK to Kain Spero, and get hundreds of millions of ISK in Dust in exchange.
CCP Shanghai's aurum prices are ludicrous.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1417
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:15:00 -
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I guess I missed the parrt where they said you could sell components.
I know you can sell the new "battle salvage" to NPC vendors, but I see no way to access the components produced by the warbarge, other than to upgrade warbarge/subsystems.
Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
1195
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:23:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:I guess I missed the parrt where they said you could sell components.
I know you can sell the new "battle salvage" to NPC vendors, but I see no way to access the components produced by the warbarge, other than to upgrade warbarge/subsystems.
Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
neocom -> resources -> warbarge
«Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
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altair Dovahkiin
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2015.02.04 21:32:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote: 34.5 million across the maximum number of accounts created from a PS3 (64 accounts, ~9 hour grind)
hmmm did you do this
Bravery doesn't mean you aren't scared.
It means you go anyway
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Raiden246
State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.02.04 21:46:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:This will get fixed! Thanks for the heads up. Thank you sir. See, Rattati can keep his head above water on expansion/patch day. He is indeed a good swimmer.  Here are some affirmations from Jeff Bridges on the topic.
He swallowed a few mouthfuls of salt water, but I believe he'll be alive by time the lifeguard comes by |

Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5274
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Posted - 2015.02.05 03:41:00 -
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altair Dovahkiin wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote: 34.5 million across the maximum number of accounts created from a PS3 (64 accounts, ~9 hour grind) hmmm did you do this Simple deductions from a little past experience in the biomass agriculture business. 
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Foo Fighting
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2015.02.05 11:38:00 -
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Now reduced to 4 isk per component! |

Jack Boost
Zarena Family
623
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Posted - 2015.02.05 11:46:00 -
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Don't worry - simple trading is comming soon. So stockpile for now.
Not much time left...
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
296
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Posted - 2015.02.05 12:02:00 -
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teacher's pet, spoilsport, suck-up etc...

GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback
648
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Posted - 2015.02.05 12:09:00 -
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God damn it! |

Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
1196
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Posted - 2015.02.05 12:15:00 -
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you can always farm free isk from alt's Market Network
«Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
221
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Posted - 2015.02.05 13:20:00 -
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NOOOO
I can't get on during the weekdays, now I can't breach 10m ISK :(
Forced Death
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Big miku
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
365
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Posted - 2015.02.05 13:32:00 -
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Wow, something that IS NOT BROKE, and people want it "fixed", meanwhile, game breaking bugs still exist, pc is still borked, ect ect and nothing.
ISK Don't Matter in Dust, so being fearful of "isk farmers" is stupid,. |

altair Dovahkiin
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2015.02.05 13:55:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Don't worry - simple trading is comming soon. So stockpile for now.
yup just as soon as CCP fine a way to make money on it
Bravery doesn't mean you aren't scared.
It means you go anyway
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
726
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:09:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:Lols at all the pissed off ISK farmers.
I'm no isk farmer I have more isk than most of the veteran players in dust I make my money through death not farming ..i would also be donating my components to my corp because I'm a team player and my mcc is already imperfect..sp wither way this effects me not at all..However I believe that ratatti should leave this in because ultimately the sp and isk generating modules on the mcc is trash ..and this is a farming aspect that will bring no harm likely the new player who figures this out will find it a charming rpg aspect of dust that helps them generate isk to get through your squelched game without a destroyed moral. Over all this adds depth content and a saving grace for new players a way for them to choose between saving up for minimal permanent bonuses or cashing in every few days for a isk payout...sure if your look at the numbers generated by as Jadek says running 64 ALTS and spending 9 hours just farming they are great ..and to anyone who is such a terrible player that they will sit there swapping between 64 accounts and collecting isk instead of playing the game and enjoying it ..you have no life why should a brilliant aspects of dust that adds an rpg..style depth to dust..and gives new players a choice to save for perm stat gain or spend for monetary gain be removed because of the select few no lifers that will spend so much time harvesting accounts that they are no longer in game anyway
This
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
726
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:10:00 -
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Big miku wrote:Wow, something that IS NOT BROKE, and people want it "fixed", meanwhile, game breaking bugs still exist, pc is still borked, ect ect and nothing.
ISK Don't Matter in Dust, so being fearful of "isk farmers" is stupid,.
And this
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
726
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:17:00 -
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I try to sell EVERYTHING so I knew this, but are we seriously trying to run "64" accounts?! Really?!
I just play dust the normal way. You neck beards out there need jobs. Leave the components be CCP. If they wanna waste that kind of time let them. They'll still suck lol! There are plenty of guys farming isk that still have no skill or tactics that get raped when facing skilled players.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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dzizur
Expert Intervention Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:24:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:A stock character has the ability to generate 200 components per day at base sell back of 900 ISK per component. This equates to 180K ISK. Or, 540K across 3 accounts. Or, 34.5 million across the maximum number of accounts created from a PS3 (64 accounts, ~9 hour grind) Or, the DeadlyAztec11. 4.14 Billion ~Hospitalization / Hazardous to farm in one go While I do illustrate extreme examples, the dedicated farmer will improve their harvest yield the more they tend to it by keeping components from reaching their 2 day threshold and periodically investing stockpiles into upgrading warbarge infrastructure. Yes, I see alt farming ISK via npc sell back of components could become an issue. I ask that you please severely reduce or eliminate NPC sell-back prices on components. However, I would be perfectly fine if you allowed players to continue stockpiling components for later sale between players and to corporations, therein allowing the player market and existing capital to dictate the value of people's farming time. I say power to the no-lifers! 'Gold farmers' contracted by individual people or corps have the ability to leverage their farming production abilities. Not to worry. Component donations en-mass to corps are not an issue because that facet will be managed by CCP with command points. FARMVILLE 514! It's a new way to play and compete in New Eden.   
Saving your own ISK business by telling everyone a way to farm loads of ISK.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5293
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Posted - 2015.02.06 17:41:00 -
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Update: NPC Resell has been axed from 900 ISK to 2 ISK on a base character. Thanks Rattati Now alt farming of components has a niche that won't kill the value of ISK across the market when player trading is implemented. If Rattati gives his blessing to this practice I see no issue with changing the rates components are produced or current warbarge cooldown overrides work. Some people can't be bothered to farm so they will buy from the alt grinders or supplement with AUR to avoid scams. I look forward to the number of trading scams that will come out of this initially. The legitimate traders will rise to the top eventually.
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1442
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Posted - 2015.02.06 17:52:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:You can sell back components?
This is what I keep asking. I only see an option to sell battle salvage (under salvage in assets). Nowhere do I see an option to sell back components.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1457
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Posted - 2015.02.06 18:16:00 -
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K, someone has explained but I am not able to get online to check, but I'm glad the farming income was drastically reduced.
30-odd mil for 9 hours farming? LOL, rather you than me. Who needs ISK that bad?
BTW, 64 accounts on a PS3? Thought you could only have 16 users on a PS3. I'm a little confused there. Hmm, the new models maybe? If that means you can only "create" 64 accounts from a single PS3 Mac Address, then you can just make more accounts on a PC browser.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5294
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Posted - 2015.02.06 18:25:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:You can sell back components? This is what I keep asking. I only see an option to sell battle salvage (under salvage in assets). Nowhere do I see an option to sell back components. Within the assets window there is a tab for warbarge and components are listed here. As for 64 accounts, you may create that amount from a single PS3 system, but only 16 can remain active at a time. This means you must remove these 16 accounts in order to work with the next batch of 16. The user cycles this process until they work through 64 accounts.
An account that has been created via PC become tied to one of these 64 on the first system it connects to.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5294
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Posted - 2015.02.06 19:00:00 -
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Logistics of Alt Component Production for Personal Stockpile or Resale
This segment is intended as a primer for users on alt mining. While it is not the same as alt mining in EVE. this process teaches dusties the power of using extra characters to increase production of goods.
Starter Farmer: 1. Create 16 email accounts. 2. Register these accounts http://www.playstation.com/en-us/ 3. Register New PSN accounts via http://dust514.com/ 4. Log into PS3 system, sign in with new accounts. Scroll to games, and tap square to organize folders for faster scrolling 5. Log into Dust 514 with pre-created characters via http://dust514.com/ 6. Select Warbarge, spend 300 warbarge components to upgrade warbarge. 7. Cycle process through existing characters and accounts.
PS3 systems will allow users to hold 16 active accounts at a single time. These must be remove in order to cycle another 16. Each PS3 system holds a limit of 64 accounts.
Farm time = 1hr 40m for 16 accounts (extra if client requires update) Earnings = 19,200 Components (per 2 days) Estimated AUR savings 57,600 (~$53, yes this process does cut into potential CCP revenue on Dust.)
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Nirwanda Vaughns
1377
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Posted - 2015.02.06 19:03:00 -
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to be honest my alts are there to slowly build up the experimental lab. they each have over 30m sp and get used pretty frequently but it'd be nice ot get 5-10 experimental/officer weapons a day (in time) that i can hopefully one day trade to this char.
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
proud C-II bpo owner
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Employment History 4-Sale-Today
8
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Posted - 2015.02.07 04:16:00 -
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[WTS] Component Grinding Service: Please pay 30 million ISK now. Send directly to Employment History 4-Sale-Today. I am legit grinder. I live in China, here
You are paying for loyalty of my service. I make you bazillions of parts for Warbarge. Players will bow before the majesty of your premuim warbarge. You will be know as the Chairman.
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MySpaceTom
Xer Cloud Consortium
305
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Posted - 2015.02.07 06:43:00 -
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I will give you components if you be my friend.
Join Xer Cloud Consortium today!
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Kashad Nal Kanni
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2015.02.07 07:54:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:[b]Farm time = 1hr 40m for 16 accounts (extra if client requires update) That sounds kind of slow...git gud scrub.  |

Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
263
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Posted - 2015.02.07 13:33:00 -
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I'm pretty suprised how fast ccp jumped on this ...guess they can't be letting people make isk off warbarge ..so now the warbarge is essentially useless due to jadeks stupidity. Wonderfull .
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5299
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Posted - 2015.02.07 21:17:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:I'm pretty suprised how fast ccp jumped on this ...guess they can't be letting people make isk off warbarge ..so now the warbarge is essentially useless due to jadeks stupidity. Wonderfull . Glad to be of service. 
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5299
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Posted - 2015.02.07 22:12:00 -
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It would be silly if CCP Rattati limited the trade of some goods over others.
I'm trying to treat this more like mining in Eve or Sweating in Project Entropia. http://youtu.be/d3HKXZguuMk
Low barrier of entry with better collective bargaining when you mine in groups. It's not foreseeable CCP has a mining exploration mechanic ready for Dust on ps3. Instead, we make an emergent mining mechanic out of Sony system architecture that most players can choose to take advantage of. While not a polished solution, it's low hanging fruit for CCP.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5302
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Posted - 2015.02.07 22:45:00 -
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Check out Pokey's Feels on the Warbarge. It's a more sensible solution than my devils advocate troll.
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
269
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Posted - 2015.02.08 00:46:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Slave of MORTE wrote:I'm pretty suprised how fast ccp jumped on this ...guess they can't be letting people make isk off warbarge ..so now the warbarge is essentially useless due to jadeks stupidity. Wonderfull . Glad to be of service.  As always your great at spoiling things kudos
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
5795
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Posted - 2015.04.17 03:07:00 -
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Addendum. -A level 4 loyalty rank can be activated with a 40k AUR purchase = about $20. -Loyalty rank is currently carried across all profiles on an account. -Pay CCP $320 to activate your 16 active PSN accounts
Suggestions -Purchase suits and various bpos that you do not own on your main. -Transfer or sell those items later upon unlocking level 4
@JadekMenaheim
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