DUST Search - Is The Scrambler Rifle Abused?

Clone D wrote:

I have used the scrambler rifle and have pulled the trigger as fast as I can, so I know the approximate rate of fire that is achievable with the human trigger finger.

Now, maybe, this is a bit far fetched, but just maybe somebody out there has had their trigger finger surgically altered by infusing a humming bird wing muscle into their flexor granting them super human trigger pulling capabilities.

I often encounter scrambler rifle users who bombard me with about 20 shots in a split second. Huming bird hybrids aside, they are obviously using turbo controllers to achieve such high rates of fire with a semi auto weapon. Why hasn't this been curbed?

Why is the rate of fire set much higher than humanly possible? Isn't that just begging for people to use modded controllers? Unless this weapon was intended to be used with modded controllers, why isn't the rate of fire set to a reasonable amount? This quandary can be extended to all semi auto weapons.

This is not SCR QQ. Kill me with all of the modded sh!t that you want to. Just wondering if SCR is abused or working as intended in combination with turbo buttons.

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Clone D 1458	Posted - 2015.02.02 19:42:00 - [1] - Quote I have used the scrambler rifle and have pulled the trigger as fast as I can, so I know the approximate rate of fire that is achievable with the human trigger finger. Now, maybe, this is a bit far fetched, but just maybe somebody out there has had their trigger finger surgically altered by infusing a humming bird wing muscle into their flexor granting them super human trigger pulling capabilities. I often encounter scrambler rifle users who bombard me with about 20 shots in a split second. Huming bird hybrids aside, they are obviously using turbo controllers to achieve such high rates of fire with a semi auto weapon. Why hasn't this been curbed? Why is the rate of fire set much higher than humanly possible? Isn't that just begging for people to use modded controllers? Unless this weapon was intended to be used with modded controllers, why isn't the rate of fire set to a reasonable amount? This quandary can be extended to all semi auto weapons. This is not SCR QQ. Kill me with all of the modded sh!t that you want to. Just wondering if SCR is abused or working as intended in combination with turbo buttons.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 451	Posted - 2015.02.02 19:46:00 - [2] - Quote Clone D wrote: I have used the scrambler rifle and have pulled the trigger as fast as I can, so I know the approximate rate of fire that is achievable with the human trigger finger. Now, maybe, this is a bit far fetched, but just maybe somebody out there has had their trigger finger surgically altered by infusing a humming bird wing muscle into their flexor granting them super human trigger pulling capabilities. I often encounter scrambler rifle users who bombard me with about 20 shots in a split second. Huming bird hybrids aside, they are obviously using turbo controllers to achieve such high rates of fire with a semi auto weapon. Why hasn't this been curbed? Why is the rate of fire set much higher than humanly possible? Isn't that just begging for people to use modded controllers? Unless this weapon was intended to be used with modded controllers, why isn't the rate of fire set to a reasonable amount? This quandary can be extended to all semi auto weapons. This is not SCR QQ. Kill me with all of the modded sh!t that you want to. Just wondering if SCR is abused or working as intended in combination with turbo buttons. Well, I can fire faster than the SCR/TacAR rate of fire, for example. The "problem" is that in close quarter you hip fire shoot someone as fast as you can "sacrificing" a bit of accuracy. Edit: Still I understand it may be a bit over performing in cqc, but it doesn't need a nerf. It, instead, need a buff in range (and possibly damage), but a huge increase in heat build-up. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 2042	Posted - 2015.02.02 19:47:00 - [3] - Quote Clone D wrote: I have used the scrambler rifle and have pulled the trigger as fast as I can, so I know the approximate rate of fire that is achievable with the human trigger finger. Now, maybe, this is a bit far fetched, but just maybe somebody out there has had their trigger finger surgically altered by infusing a humming bird wing muscle into their flexor granting them super human trigger pulling capabilities. I often encounter scrambler rifle users who bombard me with about 20 shots in a split second. Huming bird hybrids aside, they are obviously using turbo controllers to achieve such high rates of fire with a semi auto weapon. Why hasn't this been curbed? Why is the rate of fire set much higher than humanly possible? Isn't that just begging for people to use modded controllers? Unless this weapon was intended to be used with modded controllers, why isn't the rate of fire set to a reasonable amount? This quandary can be extended to all semi auto weapons. This is not SCR QQ. Kill me with all of the modded sh!t that you want to. Just wondering if SCR is abused or working as intended in combination with turbo buttons. Auto matic weapons actually benefit more from modded controllers. Zero drawbacks to manage and you end up with deadly accuracy thanks to the controller eliminating any kick.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 616	Posted - 2015.02.02 19:52:00 - [4] - Quote I dusted off my DS3 and now bought the Dual shock 4 and omg does it work alot better. Now I can fire 20+ rounds and not over heat. So far I am satisfied. Do I plan on cheating with those ugly modded controllers, NO. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3093	Posted - 2015.02.02 21:11:00 - [5] - Quote I'm not naming any names, but there are a number of ScR users who abuse the heck out of the turbo button. On a related note, there are a number of them that have figured out how to both charge their shot and also utilize turbo firing -- and that's child's play on a high-end gaming/macro keyboard, by the way. They mostly are not very good, though, and easy to counter with an armor tanked Gal Assault or heavy. That said, I do think the RPM of the ScR needs to be dialed back a bit.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 317	Posted - 2015.02.02 22:04:00 - [6] - Quote I liked the increase of heat buildup Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 776	Posted - 2015.02.02 23:36:00 - [7] - Quote There are two good solutions : 1. Change heat build-up to per shoot not per second. 2. Decrease ScR kick, add better scope and add high dispersion if fired without aiming. This will make ScR mid-long rifle with bad cqc. Option nr. 1 would be better cuz it would make turbo pads almost useless. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Grease Spillett Corrosive Synergy 661	Posted - 2015.02.02 23:41:00 - [8] - Quote I will testify to seeing insane ROF from the following weapons: SCR ACR DAR Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
LT SHANKS You In The Nutz 4971	Posted - 2015.02.02 23:45:00 - [9] - Quote I don't know. I can fire the ScR relatively fast. My 15+ years in flamenco guitar playing helps a lot. I'm sure there are quite a number of players who have fast trigger fingers who do not need the assistance of modded controllers. As for the ScR, I think it performs well. It's a little too good in CQC but I really don't know any ways to make it less effective without entirely gimping the weapon.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6669	Posted - 2015.02.03 00:05:00 - [10] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: I don't know. I can fire the ScR relatively fast. My 15+ years in flamenco guitar playing helps a lot. I'm sure there are quite a number of players who have fast trigger fingers who do not need the assistance of modded controllers. As for the ScR, I think it performs well. It's a little too good in CQC but I really don't know any ways to make it less effective without entirely gimping the weapon. wish i could give an extra +1 for the flamenco guitar playing MOAR Ladders

All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2015.02.03 00:38:00 - [11] - Quote I run ScR 90% of the time so I can tell without thinking if someone is using a turbo and Ill say 85% of the rare scr fights I get into are legit, the ones that don't charge shots are the turbos. they arent too hard to kill because you know they lack a charge shot and they have to spam, so forcing them to spam shots right before you fully engage them will put them at a huge disadvantage and if you can force an overheat then its checkmate! don't ignore the TacAR users that are on a dramatic rise..... they are more likely to use the turbo because the charge shot isn't part of the weapon so they don't give anything up spamming shots.... Director / Slayer / Emperor
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2015.02.03 00:40:00 - [12] - Quote from my personal experience with other ScR users I would say no.... just as many people abuse turbos for auto weapons as they do for Tacticals.... Director / Slayer / Emperor
Dengru Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 493	Posted - 2015.02.03 01:03:00 - [13] - Quote You guys are really petty running around in gallente suits with tacts/assault rail rifles and armor tanked min assault, yet still getting salty when the rare scr kills you (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Protocake JR Pure Evil. 1665	Posted - 2015.02.03 01:07:00 - [14] - Quote You don't need a modded controller to fire really fast.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 616	Posted - 2015.02.03 01:11:00 - [15] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: There are two good solutions : 1. Change heat build-up to per shoot not per second. 2. Decrease ScR kick, add better scope and add high dispersion if fired without aiming. This will make ScR mid-long rifle with bad cqc. Option nr. 1 would be better cuz it would make turbo pads almost useless. 1) NO. 2) NO. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 599	Posted - 2015.02.03 01:30:00 - [16] - Quote In order to fire ScR and Tac AR near modded controller levels I yell loud as fuk and make ret@rded faces
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 452	Posted - 2015.02.03 01:32:00 - [17] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Mejt0 wrote: There are two good solutions : 1. Change heat build-up to per shoot not per second. 2. Decrease ScR kick, add better scope and add high dispersion if fired without aiming. This will make ScR mid-long rifle with bad cqc. Option nr. 1 would be better cuz it would make turbo pads almost useless. 1) NO. 2) NO. 1) Why not? 2) Not sure Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 348	Posted - 2015.02.03 02:11:00 - [18] - Quote If you're going to use a modded controller wouldn't you just use tac ar? Its not that hard to spam off on a trigger. "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 611	Posted - 2015.02.03 02:28:00 - [19] - Quote Every gun except the HMG, Forge, and Laser perform better with an autofire controller.
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1227	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:22:00 - [20] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: You don't need a modded controller to fire really fast. This is true. I have been an avid ScR user for over a year and have never used a moded controller but I can still achieve a high rof. The advantage a modded controller user gets is they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. They can also set their Marco for a slower constant rof to minimize the chance of overheating and they don't have to "think" about rapid firing or heat management (which is a huge part in making a good ScR user), they just hold the trigger and aim. We all know only scubs who need an edge use modded controllers but it still sucks that they can get an advantage over an non modded controller user. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.

xavier zor Rogue Instincts 478	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:24:00 - [21] - Quote All Gucci wrote: I run ScR 90% of the time so I can tell without thinking if someone is using a turbo and Ill say 85% of the rare scr fights I get into are legit, the ones that don't charge shots are the turbos. they arent too hard to kill because you know they lack a charge shot and they have to spam, so forcing them to spam shots right before you fully engage them will put them at a huge disadvantage and if you can force an overheat then its checkmate! don't ignore the TacAR users that are on a dramatic rise..... they are more likely to use the turbo because the charge shot isn't part of the weapon so they don't give anything up spamming shots.... no, tac AR users probably won't use a turbo controller since the kick is heaps more than SCR. I use the scrambler rifle, and am staggered about how the heat build-up is not heat/shot. looking for PC corporation also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:) heavies looking for me
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 376	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:28:00 - [22] - Quote Clone D wrote: I have used the scrambler rifle and have pulled the trigger as fast as I can, so I know the approximate rate of fire that is achievable with the human trigger finger. Now, maybe, this is a bit far fetched, but just maybe somebody out there has had their trigger finger surgically altered by infusing a humming bird wing muscle into their flexor granting them super human trigger pulling capabilities. I often encounter scrambler rifle users who bombard me with about 20 shots in a split second. Huming bird hybrids aside, they are obviously using turbo controllers to achieve such high rates of fire with a semi auto weapon. Why hasn't this been curbed? Why is the rate of fire set much higher than humanly possible? Isn't that just begging for people to use modded controllers? Unless this weapon was intended to be used with modded controllers, why isn't the rate of fire set to a reasonable amount? This quandary can be extended to all semi auto weapons. This is not SCR QQ. Kill me with all of the modded sh!t that you want to. Just wondering if SCR is abused or working as intended in combination with turbo buttons. Im not concerned with people using modded controllers to abuse the scrambler's high potential fire rate. I think the thing is just overpowered (against shield suits and low ehp suits, blah blah blah, way out of the normal performance of other rifles, yadda yadda, Ive been bitching about this thing for a week or three probably so if you want my opinion you can go look at other posts). That said: if there is an easy fix to modded controller abuse for the weapon I'd love to see it implemented.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:33:00 - [23] - Quote Makes you wonder if they could detect modded controllers and it was a ban-able offence, how many people we would see get the boot @.@ G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 104	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:40:00 - [24] - Quote I am willing to bet 50M isk and real life money that I can fire faster than anyone b*tching about my rifle.... Maybe train your trigger finger more? Here are some games that will help in some way or form. - Rock Band - DJ Max - osu! - CoD - TitanFall Each of those games either require you to move your finger(s) fast or there's a gun that requires repetitive trigger pressing. Get good and quit complaining about my gun. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Clone D 1469	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:44:00 - [25] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I am willing to bet 50M isk and real life money that I can fire faster than anyone b*tching about my rifle.... Maybe train your trigger finger more? Here are some games that will help in some way or form. - Rock Band - DJ Max - osu! - CoD - TitanFall Each of those games either require you to move your finger(s) fast or there's a gun that requires repetitive trigger pressing. Get good and quit complaining about my gun. I can pull a trigger about 7 to 9 times per second. I know what it sounds like and what it looks like. Enemy SCR fire often comes in at easily twice that rate. It's simply not human. I'm wondering if the weapon was intended to be used like that.
The Eristic Dust 90210 763	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:06:00 - [26] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Makes you wonder if they could detect modded controllers and it was a ban-able offence, how many people we would see get the boot @.@ It can be done (effectively, if not perfectly), and we'd lose a lot of KB/M players and Japan. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.


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