DUST Search - Sentinels are cheap for what they can do

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

First of all this is not a Sentinel/Heavy QQ nerf thread. Like the title says. Running a Sentinel is cheaper compared to running almost any other suit in the game.

Now. For some comparisons.
I have an Advanced Gallente Assault that runs all ADV except for the sidearm which is a BPO. This is how this fit goes:
Assault G/1 Series
On highs: Enhanced Damage Modifiers
On Lows: Enhanced Reactive Plate, Enhanced Ferroscale Plate, Enhanced Armor Repair and Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer
Gek-38 Assault Rifle
'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG
M1 Locus Grenade
K-2 Nanohives

Total Cost of fit 40,860 ISK

Now for my Sentinel suit.
Sentinel G/1 Series
On the high slot I got an Enhanced Damage Modifier
On the lows I got 1 Complex Reactive Plate, 1 Complex Ferroscale Plate and one Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer

Total Cost of fit: 32,391 ISK

Of course price may vary depending on the modules you put on it. All suits Frames and Guns cost the same per rising tier.
Suits: 3,000/8,040/57,690 STD/ADV/PRO
Guns: 1,500/10,770/47,220 STD/ADV/PRO

But the Assault suits have more slots, and if all slots are filled, along side with the addition of the light weapon, side arm, grenade and equipment, an Assault suit costs more ISK to run than a Sentinel suit.

The Sentinel is too cheap considering the amount of damage it can take and dish out. Why should I run an expensive Assault suit when a Sentinel Suit can equip an HMG, have the largest HP pool, and plus the resistance bonuses it gets all costing me less per fit than my Assault suit. Not to mention that if a Logi sticks his repair tool in me, I become near invincible.

And not to mention Logi suits, those guys waste a **** ton of ISK on their suits just to be killed rather easily while a Sentinel wastes less ISK per death, and lasts longer/kills more.

My proposal would be to increase the cost of Sentinel suits in order to maintain them on par with Assault/Logi ISK expense


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Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:15:00 - [1] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: I find it funny that you can go 40-3 with militia HMG heavy destroying protos with ease and I cannot do that with any other militia weapon and suit. HMG is ease mode. Not...actually...true....but ok.... Regardless, OP, as for your post: Buwaro Draemon wrote: First of all this is not a Sentinel/Heavy QQ nerf thread. Like the title says. Running a Sentinel is cheaper compared to running almost any other suit in the game. Now. For some comparisons. I have an Advanced Gallente Assault that runs all ADV except for the sidearm which is a BPO. This is how this fit goes: Assault G/1 Series On highs: Enhanced Damage Modifiers On Lows: Enhanced Reactive Plate, Enhanced Ferroscale Plate, Enhanced Armor Repair and Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Gek-38 Assault Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG M1 Locus Grenade K-2 Nanohives Total Cost of fit 40,860 ISK Now for my Sentinel suit. Sentinel G/1 Series On the high slot I got an Enhanced Damage Modifier On the lows I got 1 Complex Reactive Plate, 1 Complex Ferroscale Plate and one Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Total Cost of fit: 32,391 ISK Of course price may vary depending on the modules you put on it. All suits Frames and Guns cost the same per rising tier. Suits: 3,000/8,040/57,690 STD/ADV/PRO Guns: 1,500/10,770/47,220 STD/ADV/PRO But the Assault suits have more slots, and if all slots are filled, along side with the addition of the light weapon, side arm, grenade and equipment, an Assault suit costs more ISK to run than a Sentinel suit. The Sentinel is too cheap considering the amount of damage it can take and dish out. Why should I run an expensive Assault suit when a Sentinel Suit can equip an HMG, have the largest HP pool, and plus the resistance bonuses it gets all costing me less per fit than my Assault suit. Not to mention that if a Logi sticks his repair tool in me, I become near invincible. And not to mention Logi suits, those guys waste a **** ton of ISK on their suits just to be killed rather easily while a Sentinel wastes less ISK per death, and lasts longer/kills more. My proposal would be to increase the cost of Sentinel suits in order to maintain them on par with Assault/Logi ISK expense Sentinels usually make some of the least WPs in a game. On average it's below pretty much everyone except snipers. So they make less ISK (and SP, but that's unrelated.) It ends up being a wash in the long run monetary gain wise. I will say this -- I am a huge proponent of heavies not being able to drive vehicles. Someone else should have to give them a ride.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:19:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: The only place the sentinals are good is enclosed spaces. There are plenty of objectives out in the open. There are many ways to deal with a heavy. Heavys are slow and have a short range from which they can do decent damage. What do you want a slow lumbering suit to do? whack you with its P** +50 The Assault rifle has an optimum of like 45 and the HMG deals up to 400 DPS up to 40m. The HMG is taking up AR's niche. Not to mention we have side arms that have 60m range. So you are comparing the maximum effective range of a gun to another's optimum and say that they infringe? And make no comment on dispersion? Or heating? Or what the other gun's effective is? Or reload? Or the types of suits you can use it on plus their versatility? Words fail me..... Sir Dukey wrote:** So you've seen me play? Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Congrats on getting a rare game where everyone was bad and meatgrindered themselves into you. Let's talk about matches on average across the whole.....
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2015.02.02 06:27:00 - [3] - Quote You shouldn't make the same isk in a Sentinel as an Assault. As an assault you can kill at a greater variety of ranges. You can use equipment for extra WP. You can travel more to do more objectives. Sometimes you make a lot because the situation is perfect for heavy and people foolish meat grinder into you. But against smart opponents, ie. people who are as good as you, you won't find yourself making a lot of isk. Comparatively the high WP classes are getting 2.5x more isk/sp. Something to think about.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2015.02.02 08:02:00 - [4] - Quote Or heavies should not be allowed to drive vehicles. passengers only...