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Jaran Vilktar CORP SIX KING 122	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:47:00 - [1] - Quote So, I recently finished skilling into my Proto Galmando and last night I decided to have a few matches with it. I figured it'd be fun to run since I've spammed my 'Centurion' BPO enough to know how to use a Commando. I went through those matches, it was fun but I noticed I was being taken out far too easily by Assaults, galassaults in particular. I noticed my attackers had similar HP pools as me yet were of ADV rather than Proto tier, could avoid my shots better and destroyed my HP sooner than I thought they would... so I went on protofits to compare these 2 suits at proto with my skills. These are Stats taken from Protofits, please take notice of the bold stats: Galassault: CPU 418.5045 / 498.75 gF PG 88.7475 / 91.875 kW Shield 193.75 [266.35] HP Armor 343.75 [668.25] HP eHP 537.5 [934.6] HP Shield Recharge Rate 20 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 7 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 10 [10.7] s Armor Repair Rate 2.5 [14.88] HP/s This should be about 19 but it looks like protofits hasn't updated yet. Movement Speed 5 [4.8] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.32] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [7.06] m/s Stamina 183.75 Stamina Recovery Rate 21 /s Scan Profile 40.5 dB Scan Precision 44.55 40.5 dB 36.45 dB Short Range Scan Radius 30 m 22.5 m Medium Range 7.5 m Short Range Melee Damage 110 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.25 Max Eq Bandwidth 16 Mbit/sec Frame Class Medium Frame Dropsuit Race Gallente Dropsuit Role Assault High-Slot Modules 3 Small Capacity Granades 1 Equipment 1 Sidearm Weapons 1 Low-Slot Modules 5 Light Weapons 1 Galmando: CPU 352.66 / 354.375 gF PG 50.35 / 73.5 kW Shield 312.5 HP Armor 500 [676] HP eHP 812.5 [988.5] HP Shield Recharge Rate 15 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 7 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 10 s Armor Repair Rate 3 [12.38] HP/s Movement Speed 4.05 [3.93] m/s Strafe Speed 3.65 [3.54] m/s Sprint Speed 5.95 [5.77] m/s Stamina 131.25 Stamina Recovery Rate 15.75 /s Scan Profile 49.5 dB Scan Precision 54.45 49.5 dB 44.55 dB Short Range Scan Radius 30 m 22.5 m Medium Range 7.5 m Short Range Melee Damage 240 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.25 Max Eq Bandwidth 16 Mbit/sec Frame Class Heavy Frame Dropsuit Race Gallente Dropsuit Role Commando High-Slot Modules 1 Equipment 1 Low-Slot Modules 3 Light Weapons 2 Also, I compared the damage of the Duvolle AR on my Assault and on my Commando. The Commando dealt about 3 damage per shot more than the Assault. So, I'm glad that it can at least deal more damage as intended. The end result? The Assault can deal similar damage as the commando while having almost equal pools of ehp with higher rep, recharge and recovery rates and is capable of avoiding damage easier than the commando due to better strafe and smaller hitbox, not to mention better ewar. I concluded that the only reason to use a Commando (other than for the fun of it) over an Assault is the Second Light Weapon slot, which can be somewhat irrelevant as sidearms have good firepower and we also have the Black Eagle AR (I know it's rare and unlikely to use it due to it's rarity but I ould wield an AR and PLC on an Assault if I wanted). I don't think this is right, I think the Commando needs a general buff to it's overral stat's. Like stamina, what's the point of having 240 Melee Damage on our suit if we suffer of Cardiac Arrest everytime we try to chase a dying enemy and run out of stamina before we land the hit? Sure, I could use a Complex Crdiac Regulator but a Commando's base Stamina and Stamina Recovery or so low it just barely get's me above an Assault's default Stamina and Stamina Recovery rate's. This just isn't right. IMO the Commando's need a buff. Thoughts? And no, I don't regret skilling into my Galmando. DUST 514 Is the first FPS I played actively for the PS3 and is my favorite FPS to this very day. :)
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14773	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:49:00 - [2] - Quote I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4505	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:55:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. I use an HMG and shotgun with mine Assaults breach, they're slayers.. Mandos are the link between the slayers and point defense. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Jaran Vilktar CORP SIX KING 122	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:57:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. Yeah, I know the Black Eagle AR is a "sidearm" I was just trying to say that you can achieve similar to better results with a Galassault instead of a Galmando if you really try to do so. And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. DUST 514 Is the first FPS I played actively for the PS3 and is my favorite FPS to this very day. :)
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14781	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:06:00 - [5] - Quote Jaran Vilktar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. Yeah, I know the Black Eagle AR is a "sidearm" I was just trying to say that you can achieve similar to better results with a Galassault instead of a Galmando if you really try to do so. And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. Jaran Vilktar wrote: And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. If I bring rare gear into the equation I can make the Commando look like god. Cough Officer weapons Cough Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 744	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:08:00 - [6] - Quote Commando is only usable for one thing. To carry AV and rifle to defend themself. Other than that, they're bad in every aspect. Same HP as assault, same dmg output [almost], very poor ewar, worse stamina/speed/strafe/hitbox size than assault, bad/medicore regen. In conclusion. It's not as good as it should be. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 953	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:10:00 - [7] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Commando is only usable for one thing. To carry AV and rifle to defend themself. Other than that, they're bad in every aspect. Same HP as assault, same dmg output [almost], very poor ewar, worse stamina/speed/strafe/hitbox size than assault, bad/medicore regen. In conclusion. It's not as good as it should be. If it was better in the places you say it's lacking, no one would use the assault suits
Jaran Vilktar CORP SIX KING 122	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:11:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jaran Vilktar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. Yeah, I know the Black Eagle AR is a "sidearm" I was just trying to say that you can achieve similar to better results with a Galassault instead of a Galmando if you really try to do so. And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. Jaran Vilktar wrote: And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. If I bring rare gear into the equation I can make the Commando look like god. Cough Officer weapons Cough Ok, I got it. So everyone think's that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Commando's and that there is nothing wrong with Assault's being able to gain Heavy level HP while being considerably superior. Thank's for your participation. DUST 514 Is the first FPS I played actively for the PS3 and is my favorite FPS to this very day. :) My Login Record-[514
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4508	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:11:00 - [9] - Quote People don't understand the mando isn't supposed to be as good as an assault that's why it gets two light weapons. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9378	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:11:00 - [10] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. I use an HMG and shotgun with mine Assaults breach, they're slayers.. Mandos are the link between the slayers and point defense. Exactly, I have two Commando Roles. Engineer - Has a Plasma Cannon to keep vehicles that linger around at bay, which is great for keeping dropships off your squad. It won't kill the vehicle unless it's a terrible fit or pilot but you will scare them away. He uses an AR and relies more on Armor Repair and Speed than overall health to keep up with his squad. My Engineer has an Allotek Nanohive to resupply armor and Health in tough situations. Ranged Support - Features a Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle for defending areas that are surrounded by wide open areas coupled with a Breach Assault Rifle to deal massive damage in close range engagements. My Ranged Support class comes with an Active Scanner for keeping track of the oncoming enemy. The Ranged Support Class is armored to the teeth while having a good amount of armor regeneration with a sacrifice to Movement ability but when you're defending an objective it's all about holding your ground and who deals the most damage. This is where my Ranged Support Commando shines. Both of these are extremely useful suits to have in this game, especially my Engineer class but they are very squad oriented which is where people fall short with their solo one man army mentality. People overlook the ability to have an Anti-Vehicle weapon at the ready when the moment arises, and trust me. The Python pilots do not expect the Plasma Cannon at all. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3061	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:12:00 - [11] - Quote A gal commando SHOULD lose to a gal assault. The basis of your argument is invalid, IMO, because there should be a tradeoff between the flexibility of the commando and the specificity of the assault.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5859	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:12:00 - [12] - Quote The only thing that shines in the Gallente Commando, is being able to carry a Plasma Cannon and another weapon, plus the reload on the Plasma Cannon. That's really the only reason why I skilled into it, to be honest.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 711	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:12:00 - [13] - Quote Commandos still need a buff though cat.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4508	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:13:00 - [14] - Quote Jaran Vilktar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Jaran Vilktar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. Yeah, I know the Black Eagle AR is a "sidearm" I was just trying to say that you can achieve similar to better results with a Galassault instead of a Galmando if you really try to do so. And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. Jaran Vilktar wrote: And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. If I bring rare gear into the equation I can make the Commando look like god. Cough Officer weapons Cough Ok, I got it. So everyone think's that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Commando's and that there is nothing wrong with Assault's being able to gain Heavy level HP while being considerably superior. Thank's for your participation. The hp is a problem I run 500 armor on my gal but nowadays it's all about tank not actual skill, triage hives some dude repping you. No need to make self reps cuz of it. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9378	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:14:00 - [15] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The only thing that shines in the Gallente Commando, is being able to carry a Plasma Cannon and another weapon, plus the reload on the Plasma Cannon. That's really the only reason why I skilled into it, to be honest. The Reload bonus on the plasma cannon is also gives it a huge advantage. Scaring scouts away or simply one shotting them with splash damage, it's my most effective way of killing the damned suits. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1320	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:41:00 - [16] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Commando is only usable for one thing. To carry AV and rifle to defend themself. Other than that, they're bad in every aspect. Same HP as assault, same dmg output [almost], very poor ewar, worse stamina/speed/strafe/hitbox size than assault, bad/medicore regen. In conclusion. It's not as good as it should be. If it was better in the places you say it's lacking, no one would use the assault suits Yep, it's proving to be a recurring argument/counter-argument. I'd be happy with extra slots and CPU/PG. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1320	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:42:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Joel II X wrote: The only thing that shines in the Gallente Commando, is being able to carry a Plasma Cannon and another weapon, plus the reload on the Plasma Cannon. That's really the only reason why I skilled into it, to be honest. The Reload bonus on the plasma cannon is also gives it a huge advantage. Scaring scouts away or simply one shotting them with splash damage, it's my most effective way of killing the damned suits. I love one shotting them pesky scouts :) I also like being able to out-strafe them with my DS3 only to be called a lousy KBM player, lulz. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 748	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:14:00 - [18] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Commando is only usable for one thing. To carry AV and rifle to defend themself. Other than that, they're bad in every aspect. Same HP as assault, same dmg output [almost], very poor ewar, worse stamina/speed/strafe/hitbox size than assault, bad/medicore regen. In conclusion. It's not as good as it should be. If it was better in the places you say it's lacking, no one would use the assault suits Commando should be better atleast in few of these stats that i mentioned. Cuz commando trade ONE light weapon slot for all these cons. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3330	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:21:00 - [19] - Quote Commandos are decent... Where they are failing these days is they have similar health pools to assaults... With limited regeneration ability... Limited speed.. Bigger hitbox.. Slot reduction.. No Grenade.......To sacrifice for 10% damage increase. It's and interesting concept... But seems CCP was trying to be careful with the Commando in implementation and made sure they put 5-6 nerf chains around the legs of the class. Even a slight health increase would put them more into the the actual game... Because DUST is usually played within a 60m Radius... IN Majority...... And for sure competitively.. And commandos just can't hack it at that range unless playing a purely support role and being worth the sacrifice in a competitive scenario... in Pubs they are just fun as hell.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14789	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:38:00 - [20] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Commando is only usable for one thing. To carry AV and rifle to defend themself. Other than that, they're bad in every aspect. Same HP as assault, same dmg output [almost], very poor ewar, worse stamina/speed/strafe/hitbox size than assault, bad/medicore regen. In conclusion. It's not as good as it should be. Not saying it's as good as it should be, but it definitely doesn't need to be comparable to the Assault in those aspects, otherwise it just becomes a straight up better Assault. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*

Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14789	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:40:00 - [21] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Commandos still need a buff though cat. Never denied that Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7310	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:40:00 - [22] - Quote I've used the Gallente Commando so much that I rely on it heavily. Having the ability to kill an HAV and then massacre the guy who jumps out isn't really possible with other suit types. The Plasma Cannon let's me either one shot high HP players or cut them down in size. The AR is there to do the rest. Now if I could only get that grenade slot ;) Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14789	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:42:00 - [23] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: RayRay James wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Commando is only usable for one thing. To carry AV and rifle to defend themself. Other than that, they're bad in every aspect. Same HP as assault, same dmg output [almost], very poor ewar, worse stamina/speed/strafe/hitbox size than assault, bad/medicore regen. In conclusion. It's not as good as it should be. If it was better in the places you say it's lacking, no one would use the assault suits Commando should be better atleast in few of these stats that i mentioned. Cuz commando trade ONE light weapon slot for all these cons. An extra light weapon slot is a pretty big deal. Having two light weapons SHOULD come with some pretty heavy cons. Sure the commando needs some love, but it's definitely not far from the mark. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Minmatar Mercenary 9292 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 558	Posted - 2015.01.30 22:15:00 - [24] - Quote I dunno if commandos need a buff, maybe the gallente one does, but I am more than willing to trade the slaying ability of my assault to just tear the ass out of basically any tank solo with my mando. The Minmando is pretty ridiculous Da only good Amarr is a ded Amarr, an de ony fing betta than a ded one, is a dyin one who tells ya were 'is mates is!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1759	Posted - 2015.01.30 23:34:00 - [25] - Quote Gal assaults can tank considerably more then commandos because I've seen some rockin 1000 armor in a PRO suit and commando's should be the breachers not assaults , assaults shouldn't be breachers and slayers at the same time . Leaves nothing for the commando to do and prob why they have no clear cut role besides long distance attacking which is sad for a suit that's suppose to be a " jack of all trades " in assaulting on the field . Big bulky and have to be 50 - 80 m away to be effective , slow , can't see and has ** poor range as well on top of having a big hit box and the least amount of slots . Gall assault can see better , out tank and rep them ... more mobile and in a head to head would obliterate the bigger opponent . I use Galmando and a Cal Commando is a beast with a PLC as well but commando role is just not in a good place right now . Just because they get to use two light weapons should be a reason to have a suit like that , that's just so gimpy . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .**
Mex-0 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 340	Posted - 2015.01.30 23:37:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. Remember those Black Eagles? They can go anywhere. Anywhere. ANYWHERE. Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 282	Posted - 2015.01.30 23:40:00 - [27] - Quote I can easily push quad digit ehp on nearly any assault at ADV while still being faster and more effective than a commando. 10% more damage and 2 light weapons does not make up for that. Free your mind, break your shackles..... In other words....stop being a gorram metasheeple.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 751	Posted - 2015.01.31 03:28:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mejt0 wrote: RayRay James wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Commando is only usable for one thing. To carry AV and rifle to defend themself. Other than that, they're bad in every aspect. Same HP as assault, same dmg output [almost], very poor ewar, worse stamina/speed/strafe/hitbox size than assault, bad/medicore regen. In conclusion. It's not as good as it should be. If it was better in the places you say it's lacking, no one would use the assault suits Commando should be better atleast in few of these stats that i mentioned. Cuz commando trade ONE light weapon slot for all these cons. An extra light weapon slot is a pretty big deal. Having two light weapons SHOULD come with some pretty heavy cons. Sure the commando needs some love, but it's definitely not far from the mark. Minmando is OK. Cuz it have bonus to AV and op CR. Others.. are in bad shape. That's all. Ps. 2nd light weapon slot cost commandos so much, yet it really only add AV potential with self defense. Cuz running with 2 rifles [no AV at all] is pointless. It always take less than a clip to kill anybody [not talking about fat douches], so there's no point to swap guns in middle of the fight and if someone doesn't eqiup AV on commando then he should use assault suit. Cuz assault do everything better other than that [AV + self defense] Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2015.01.31 06:03:00 - [29] - Quote Having two light weapons at your disposal means covering your weapon and/or suits weakness with another weapon .....And if you guys didn't know, a light weapon is better then a sidearm.... and you aren't supposed to be a slayer like an assault, you are supposed to be support with a side of offense . Director / Slayer / Emperor
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1079	Posted - 2015.01.31 07:33:00 - [30] - Quote Jaran Vilktar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Jaran Vilktar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't remember being able to carry two light weapons on my Gal Assault. Yeah, I know the Black Eagle AR is a "sidearm" I was just trying to say that you can achieve similar to better results with a Galassault instead of a Galmando if you really try to do so. And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. Jaran Vilktar wrote: And if you're prepared to lose some rare gear. If I bring rare gear into the equation I can make the Commando look like god. Cough Officer weapons Cough Ok, I got it. So everyone think's that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Commando's and that there is nothing wrong with Assault's being able to gain Heavy level HP while being considerably superior. Thank's for your participation. Reminds me of all the assaults QQ over scouts being better assaults, lol Now never never never say an assault makes a better commando because that would mean maybe they will get the nerf bat stuck in their ass like the scouts did. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout



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