DUST Search - How can a new player be a warlord?

Aeon Amadi wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

I'm certainly the last of elitist, nor i'm the one who wants to deny new players rights or stuff.
But still i don't understand how a new player can be a warlord, i know i'm not the only one who think this is weird.

Maybe is just the word itself, but this whole new concept, both role wise and lore wise it's weird for me.

It's pointless because when everyone is a warlord no one is.

The best thing about the old concept of Dust was that you used to be "just another grubby soldier" fighting in wars bigger than you.

Lore-wise, considering that there are in excess of 6,500 solar systems, 60,000+ planets... God knows how many POSes, Deadspace Complexes, Warpgates, Stations and any little perceivable thing that a human being could potential exist on at any given time in the massive scale of an ENTIRE GALAXY...

I really don't think it's much to insinuate that 250,000 (at most) immortal mercenaries up and declared themselves warlords when they each have single-handedly both killed and died the equivalent of some countrys' entire armies.

Warlords in the traditional sense? Probably not. But warlords none the less.

EDIT: And there's nothing wrong with that, at all. Because while we started out as 'just another grubby soldier fighting in wars bigger than we' originally, we're -100% OFFICIALLY- clone troopers. Mercenaries are a profession, not all of us are mercenaries. We are, on the other hand, god-like warriors or soldiers who are merciless in effect in the only thing we know how to do: War.

"I'm not a warrior, I'm a soldier. There's a difference. Warriors attack and conquer, they prey on the weak. Soldiers defend and protect the innocentGÇöusually from warriors."
GÇòCarth Onasi to Canderous Ordo[src]

war-+lord
-êw+¦r-îl+¦rd/Submit
noun
a military commander, especially an aggressive regional commander with individual autonomy.

While we do not command armies of individuals, we do command personal armies of our own clones.

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

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Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3285	Posted - 2015.01.29 00:58:00 - [31] - Quote This is what Warbarges should of been.... We are getting meh.... A way to monetize PC for CCP.... Because Vet's and PC players don't use Aurum for PC or around it. Warbarges was supposed to be a cool factor... CCP is more making them a way to monetize end game content.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 805	Posted - 2015.01.29 01:05:00 - [32] - Quote lol @ becoming a warlord. You are still going to be a scrub cause you will still need 16 good players for PC and if you dont have it you are screwed. So nothing changes here. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Ollurd Gallente Cerberus Network. 23	Posted - 2015.01.29 01:42:00 - [33] - Quote Bethhy wrote: This is what Warbarges should of been.... We are getting meh.... A way to monetize PC for CCP.... Because Vet's and PC players don't use Aurum for PC or around it. Warbarges was supposed to be a cool factor... CCP is more making them a way to monetize end game content. P.S. That was 2009. That would be so awesome and would make the game much more interesting and better. Like i said, they should have just kept it as a buyable asset for corporations. They could replace the personal player warbarge system in Warlords 1.0 with something like "Warbarge support" from the NPC corps that contract them in public and factional matches. Then when it comes to player made corps make them an accesible space as displayed in the video. Or better yet, every player gets access to warbarge support as it is, but then when you join a corp the corporation warbarge supplies every member with its bonuses and then some extra things such as a corp armory etc. Just call me OG.
BLOOD Ruler Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1024	Posted - 2015.01.29 01:55:00 - [34] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: BLOOD Ruler wrote: Think of it like this-You are in a squad or some merc says he has calculated which warbarge is the best to steal.After you guys have successfully pulled off the hiest,you use that Warbarge on another Warbarge. You than pay a group of trust-able mercenaries to temporary pilot the other warbarges and say you will also get them one. You do and before you know it everyone has a warbarge. Don't think of it like you took it solo(which I totally could)think of it like you squad up to steal it and work to steal other warbarges tofether until you all had one. Or it was given to you because you did something great and someone thanked you by letting you have a warbarge. The first one makes sense if your a professional The second one is that you are creating a hero(noob)who had it given to him. Well? Option 3 - You got too drunk to remember how you got it. Wait...how did I get this....OOOSSSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIII.... Feel The Burning Pain Of My Knives While Your Skull And Mind Is Wrecked By My Pistol. I am the Assassin.
BLOOD Ruler Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1024	Posted - 2015.01.29 01:57:00 - [35] - Quote It was a dead hooker on my stolen wararges windshield. Feel The Burning Pain Of My Knives While Your Skull And Mind Is Wrecked By My Pistol. I am the Assassin.
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1733	Posted - 2015.01.29 02:13:00 - [36] - Quote If the empire shoots your warbarge down, chances are you'll not work for them. If they did this a lot, then nobody would work for them. The empires and big corps are happy that you get warbarges for the most part because it means you'll be more effective at your job. Plus, shooting it down if it was stolen would end up costing them money, and to not destroy it and only get it back would require lots of effort in planning and resource allocation to execute the mission to steal back the barge. We immortal mercs are also scary because we won't die, we'll just spawn in a new clone and steal another. Once one was stolen, and its power was demonstrated, many mercs stole their own in a period of time known as the Ascension (gotta make a lore now, I like where I'm taking this) TL;DR: Too much effort to get the stolen warbarge back from an immortal. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16082	Posted - 2015.01.29 02:34:00 - [37] - Quote Spademan wrote: I figured it was more the immortal clone aspires to be a warlord, rather than is automatically a warlord because he has a rusty ship. Spade is right, and when he's right, he's right. And Spade, Spade is always right! "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 400	Posted - 2015.01.29 02:44:00 - [38] - Quote Just the concept of everyone owning a barge is an odd game mechanic. I thought is was going to be corp wide. The effect is that the warbarge screen represents the players connection to a barge but, it is presented instead as the player literally owning a barge. While we're at it, can I own a titan in EVE? I don't mean the actual ship but, a virtual, 2D version that I can upgrade for points and rewards? I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 741	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:02:00 - [39] - Quote Veteran players will have discount on Titans. Visit Caldari State tonight and get yourself a new Titan! It'll only cost you all your isk and your soul or [special deal] 1000 gall heads. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2035	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:06:00 - [40] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Just the concept of everyone owning a barge is an odd game mechanic. I thought is was going to be corp wide. The effect is that the warbarge screen represents the players connection to a barge but, it is presented instead as the player literally owning a barge. While we're at it, can I own a titan in EVE? I don't mean the actual ship but, a virtual, 2D version that I can upgrade for points and rewards? I found a document from 2012 on reddit that listed all supercap (Titan & Mothership) pilots who had ever been on a kill mail as far back as they could find, all API verified. There were over 3500 unique supercarrier pilots and over 1100 unique Titan pilots. This was 3 years ago. Dreads, carriers, freighters, jump freighters and capital industrial ships are much more common. based on further maths done I estimated that our warbarges would only need to be 3-5million m3 for all of the crazy things we use them for, this is 1/3rd to 1/2 the size of the smallest and most common of those and still only 1/5th to 1/3rd the size of the smallest freighters and carriers. I'm not entirely certain of the scale of the warbarges depicted, but they certainly aren't super capital territory. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5819	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:10:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spademan wrote: I figured it was more the immortal clone aspires to be a warlord, rather than is automatically a warlord because he has a rusty ship. Spade is right, and when he's right, he's right. And Spade, Spade is always right! I'll have what he's having.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18561	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:18:00 - [42] - Quote How can a new Eve online player be made a starship captain? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 524	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:20:00 - [43] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: axis alpha wrote: Just because you have a warbarge doesn't mean you are a war lord. What you do with it makes you a warlord. As time progresses I'm guessing they will implement things for tenured players that will but us above newer players...... Hopefully hey bro i payed good inherited money to call myself a warlord i will not set idly by and have you undermine my status with your petty slander here Send some of that money this way............Warlord. ;) I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7491	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:21:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spademan wrote: I figured it was more the immortal clone aspires to be a warlord, rather than is automatically a warlord because he has a rusty ship. Spade is right, and when he's right, he's right. And Spade, Spade is always right! Please refrain from further inflating his ego. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6636	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:23:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spademan wrote: I figured it was more the immortal clone aspires to be a warlord, rather than is automatically a warlord because he has a rusty ship. Spade is right, and when he's right, he's right. And Spade, Spade is always right! He'll be intolerable around the Shop knowGÇª MOAR Ladders
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3055	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:23:00 - [46] - Quote Warlord? Maybe it means something different in Icelandic?
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8119	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:27:00 - [47] - Quote True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: I'm certainly the last of elitist, nor i'm the one who wants to deny new players rights or stuff. But still i don't understand how a new player can be a warlord, i know i'm not the only one who think this is weird. Maybe is just the word itself, but this whole new concept, both role wise and lore wise it's weird for me. It's pointless because when everyone is a warlord no one is. The best thing about the old concept of Dust was that you used to be "just another grubby soldier" fighting in wars bigger than you. Lore-wise, considering that there are in excess of 6,500 solar systems, 60,000+ planets... God knows how many POSes, Deadspace Complexes, Warpgates, Stations and any little perceivable thing that a human being could potential exist on at any given time in the massive scale of an ENTIRE GALAXY... I really don't think it's much to insinuate that 250,000 (at most) immortal mercenaries up and declared themselves warlords when they each have single-handedly both killed and died the equivalent of some countrys' entire armies. Warlords in the traditional sense? Probably not. But warlords none the less. There is a part of me that genuinely hopes Dust 514 fails at times.
demonkiller 12 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 575	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:50:00 - [48] - Quote Ollurd Gallente wrote: If you ask me i think they should've limited the warbarge to a buyable asset for corporations and made it so that the warbarge provided bonuses for all of its members. It doesn't make sense for every merc to have a warbarge. Plus not all of us have districts...especially new players. the corporate warbarges are coming in march, they will do much more

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16099	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:55:00 - [49] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: I'm certainly the last of elitist, nor i'm the one who wants to deny new players rights or stuff. But still i don't understand how a new player can be a warlord, i know i'm not the only one who think this is weird. Maybe is just the word itself, but this whole new concept, both role wise and lore wise it's weird for me. It's pointless because when everyone is a warlord no one is. The best thing about the old concept of Dust was that you used to be "just another grubby soldier" fighting in wars bigger than you. Lore-wise, considering that there are in excess of 6,500 solar systems, 60,000+ planets... God knows how many POSes, Deadspace Complexes, Warpgates, Stations and any little perceivable thing that a human being could potential exist on at any given time in the massive scale of an ENTIRE GALAXY... I really don't think it's much to insinuate that 250,000 (at most) immortal mercenaries up and declared themselves warlords when they each have single-handedly both killed and died the equivalent of some countrys' entire armies. Warlords in the traditional sense? Probably not. But warlords none the less. EDIT: And there's nothing wrong with that, at all. Because while we started out as 'just another grubby soldier fighting in wars bigger than we' originally, we're -100% OFFICIALLY- clone troopers. Mercenaries are a profession, not all of us are mercenaries. We are, on the other hand, god-like warriors or soldiers who are merciless in effect in the only thing we know how to do: War. "I'm not a warrior, I'm a soldier. There's a difference. Warriors attack and conquer, they prey on the weak. Soldiers defend and protect the innocentGÇöusually from warriors." GÇòCarth Onasi to Canderous Ordo[src] war-+lord -êw+¦r-îl+¦rd/Submit noun a military commander, especially an aggressive regional commander with individual autonomy. While we do not command armies of individuals, we do command personal armies of our own clones. Aeon gets it too. From Wikipedia: "Warlordism is usually connected to various mercenary companies and their chieftains, which often were de facto power-holders in the areas where they resided. Such free companies would arise in a situation when the recognized central power had collapsed" A player owning districts, planets and systems, is the definition of a Warlord. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1739	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:56:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: A player owning districts, planets and systems, is the definition of a Warlord. I would like to hold a city. That's all I want. District is too much work. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8122	Posted - 2015.01.29 04:58:00 - [51] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: A player owning districts, planets and systems, is the definition of a Warlord. I would like to hold a city. That's all I want. District is too much work. I don't even want that. I just want money, and true Intaki succession. Kitten the Federation. Sometimes I forget that I am Intaki, and have no loyalty to the Federation or the State; exploiting both.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21411	Posted - 2015.01.29 07:08:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spademan wrote: I figured it was more the immortal clone aspires to be a warlord, rather than is automatically a warlord because he has a rusty ship. Spade is right, and when he's right, he's right. And Spade, Spade is always right! madness *Vote 'Keshava' for a new Gallente vehicle name!* Gallente Guide to DUST
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3525	Posted - 2015.01.29 09:20:00 - [53] - Quote Given i have enough isk to buy my own frig it's really much of a stretch hell it would make sense concord gives us one just so keep an eye on where we all are You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9364	Posted - 2015.01.29 09:32:00 - [54] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Veteran players will have discount on Titans. Visit Caldari State tonight and get yourself a new Titan! It'll only cost you all your isk and your soul or [special deal] 1000 gall heads. Dem fightin words *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7483	Posted - 2015.01.29 09:57:00 - [55] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How can a new Eve online player be made a starship captain? Because they went through flight school, bought augments, and bought a pilots' licence? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Corbina Ninja Seraphim lnitiative. 1179	Posted - 2015.01.29 10:44:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How can a new Eve online player be made a starship captain? How can a new Eve online player fly capital ship? «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3906	Posted - 2015.01.29 11:33:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spademan wrote: I figured it was more the immortal clone aspires to be a warlord, rather than is automatically a warlord because he has a rusty ship. Spade is right, and when he's right, he's right. And Spade, Spade is always right! My ship must be really rusty Swaglords 1.0 [smiley face] Minmatar omni-merc
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 325	Posted - 2015.01.29 11:34:00 - [58] - Quote I like the seriousness of this discussion. Lets roleplay the ** out of this! :D note to self, pitch New Eden pen & paper RPG to CCP ASAP** ... hmm, GURPS or FATE? Or Coda maybe??? ... hmmm I love the concept. 1st) The warbarge doesnt seem to be the ultimate power tool, its just a spaceship getting us from A to B. The Dust is where we shine. 2nd) Why wouldnt a practically immortal and since some years independent agent be able to get a decent spaceship? I agree that some ISK-vestment should be required ... about 2-5 mio max, maybe ... but how much is a basic frigate in EVE? some 100k? The scale of the warbarge seems to be a bit beyond destroyer size, judging from the "window" and "docking bay" looking greebles. I imagine its purpose is like the viking dragon boats. You can move armies with these, you just need many of them, but it is in no way a space superiority vessel. The aquisition of a small individual transport ship seems to be well within the mindset of a freedom seeking freelancer mercenary too. Definition of Barge 3rd) Its awesome and awesome is always right. I will call mine "the raven that refused to sing" (because I love my Raven in EVE, most beautiful ship ever. And I am listening to Steve Wilson right now...) The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Peter Hanther Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2015.01.29 11:59:00 - [59] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: I like the seriousness of this discussion. Lets roleplay the ** out of this! :D note to self, pitch New Eden pen & paper RPG to CCP ASAP** ... hmm, GURPS or FATE? Or Coda maybe??? ... hmmm Gurps since it has all the gunporn you would need to stay with the Dust 514 theme I am the Apple and the Oreo, The First to die and respawn, but last to leave the match.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3906	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:07:00 - [60] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Lore-wise, considering that there are in excess of 6,500 solar systems, 60,000+ planets... God knows how many POSes, Deadspace Complexes, Warpgates, Stations and any little perceivable thing that a human being could potential exist on at any given time in the massive scale of an ENTIRE GALAXY... I really don't think it's much to insinuate that 250,000 (at most) immortal mercenaries up and declared themselves warlords when they each have single-handedly both killed and died the equivalent of some countrys' entire armies. Warlords in the traditional sense? Probably not. But warlords none the less. EDIT: And there's nothing wrong with that, at all. Because while we started out as 'just another grubby soldier fighting in wars bigger than we' originally, we're -100% OFFICIALLY- clone troopers. Mercenaries are a profession, not all of us are mercenaries. We are, on the other hand, god-like warriors or soldiers who are merciless in effect in the only thing we know how to do: War. "I'm not a warrior, I'm a soldier. There's a difference. Warriors attack and conquer, they prey on the weak. Soldiers defend and protect the innocentGÇöusually from warriors." GÇòCarth Onasi to Canderous Ordo[src] war-+lord -êw+¦r-îl+¦rd/Submit noun a military commander, especially an aggressive regional commander with individual autonomy. While we do not command armies of individuals, we do command personal armies of our own clones. If so we are potentially a treat for the faction, but we are also useful for them, something like: you can do the cleaning in hour houses, but you can't live next to us, shouldn't we all be moved to outer space regions? Swaglords 1.0 [smiley face] Minmatar omni-merc



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