I suggest we simply remove the Plasma Rifle and replace it with a Gallente HMG because it appears as if Gallenteans won't be satisfied until their AR is turned into the Minmatar HMG.

Would that stop your goddamn crying?

I'm still waiting for my Plasma Flamethrower.

Your point? I could make an entire essay on the Amarrian items I've been waiting for.

Adjust the Gallente assault bonus to more armor damage with AR as you skill it up.

Adjust the Gallente assault bonus to more armor damage with AR as you skill it up.

Suit bonus should be range increase of 2-3%.

It's not the weapon, it's the suit.
CQC DEMANDS speed and stamina, and yet we have the same speed and stamina as the Cal Assault.

How it's supposed to be:
Minmatar > Gallente > Caldari > Amarr

How it actually is:
Speed:
Minmatar > Gallente = Caldari > Amarr

Stamina:
Minmatar > Amarr > Gallente = Caldari



Combine that with the fact that we have the shortest range rifle, and so the Gallente Assault requires you to have at least one kin cat, otherwise you're better off just using any other assault weapon.
It's not like the bonus is a big deal.

The Gallente have Kinetic Catalyzers for a reason you know. Add it with an armor plate plus ferroscale and your momentum will be reminiscent of a juggernaut.

So you want to completely imbalance the Gallente in hopes of making it OP/balanced? (My apologies if I have mistaken you, but this seems like a 'make Gallente OP' thread.)

Simply buff the AR a slight bit. Of course the others are preforming great, but that ol' AR is still lagging behind, I propose a simple buff to the regular Plasma Rifle (Not the BrAR, BuAR, or TacAR) to do a small bit of extra damage.

Another problem, a lot of armour tankers in the game... can't fix this.

The problem here is that the Gallente need to sacrifice either HP and regen just to be a slight faster

Trouble with galASS in CQC is heavies. The AR eats through most other suits armor decently but when up against a sentinel the are facing really bad odds.

So how can the galASS compete with/against sentinels in CQC?

I think some kinda of edge in EWAR would help, perhaps a change to the suites base stats and not a role bonus as mentioned earlier.

Trouble with galASS in CQC is heavies. The AR eats through most other suits armor decently but when up against a sentinel the are facing really bad odds.

So how can the galASS compete with/against sentinels in CQC?

I think some kinda of edge in EWAR would help, perhaps a change to the suites base stats and not a role bonus as mentioned earlier.

As long as you shoot heavies in the head in CQC they go down faster than most proto Assaults.

But not everyone has your superior skills

The Gallente have Kinetic Catalyzers for a reason you know. Add it with an armor plate plus ferroscale and your momentum will be reminiscent of a juggernaut.

The way the slots are layed out for the Gallente Assault this is most likely what was envisioned.

As long as you shoot heavies in the head in CQC they go down faster than most proto Assaults.

No. It would turn the suit into the old CR. At 2% you have a neutral profile against armor, at 3, you're at a 5% gain. That's +10/+5 or 0.

It should get a higher RoF per level or something.

AR isn't a finisher, but it does a great job taking out anybody's shield in CQC, and when you use a SMG/flaylock as a sidearm, it ROCKS!

Lot of dumb in this thread. I'm here to remedy that.

The issue with the Gallente is that there isn't anything they can do that someone else can't do better, with the exception of the Gallente Scout in terms of EWAR.

Gallente Assault and Gallente Logistics legitimately have no role.
- Gallente Logi has a bonus to active scanners which now work on a team basis but they don't get WP for it and the niche scanner (Focused) used to hunt down Scouts is incredibly difficult to use and won't even work on all Scouts. Scanners are also on par with some passive scans now. Thereby, it's role bonus is somewhat wasted as it's overall use as a Logi isn't as powerful as that of other Logis which give much more WP as a circumstance.

- Gallente Assault is asking for too many things for it's role to be useful. It needs high enough HP to survive the initial encounter, high enough regen to survive the outcome of said encounter, fast enough speed to get within range of it's intended weaponry, etc. Cross this with the fact that it's only viable high slot options are Damage Mods or EWAR (unless you're brick tanking) and it doesn't help the Assault get within range of it's weaponry.

To put it simply, there's nothing that the Gal Assault can do that someone else can't do better:
> Speed: Minmatar Assault / Any Scout
> EHP: Sentinels / Amarr Assault
> Regen: Any shield user
> DPS: Sentinels / Commandos / some Scouts
> Range: Anything other Assault
> Stamina: Any Minmatar/ Scout

The Gal Assault's role bonus is centralized around reduced fitting costs, which isn't as pertinent as it doesn't have the slots necessary to make use of that bonus. Utility modules are designed to be in the low slots almost by default, which just so happens to be used up by both HP, Regen, and Speed modules.

Then you have the DPS and TTK ratios of the weaponry intended, which I've marked (in seconds) against a 1000 EHP target: http://i.imgur.com/5hBCck7.png

As you can see, the variation between the weapons is minute at best. To put it simply, having an additional Gëñ30m isn't as prominent as shaving off 0.24s of time off your total TTK if your EHP isn't high enough to survive contending weaponry within those ranges where your own weaponry will not be as viable, or high-alpha weaponry that is better within your own ranges.

This isn't even mentioning the fact that the Gallente Assault's weaponry bonus applies to dispersion, which is both subject to the user's preference and the fact we already have a skill for the only weapon it works on (Assault Rifle Sharpshooter). This bonus is worthless on Plasma Cannons and Shotguns and the Ion Pistol is pretty kittened off in it's own right.

There are a -LOT- of problems with the Gallente Assault and there is no easy fix for making it "the king of CQC" when it's role is designed around mediocrity in several fields but not being the best at anything.



Again, you would be better off using the Minmatar Assault in that case because you'd still have the weapon fitting reduction but you'd also have an increase in ammunition toward your SMG as well as faster speeds, better regen, better slot layouts, etc.

It's play style. The gal assault is good if you play to its strengths (not the ones you want it to have.)

So basically dont waste my money skilling gallente and that I should go min assault minmando

Which are... What, exactly..?

Do you have Gal Assault 5? Do you know how it performs compared to everything else..?




Basically. I did and haven't regretted that decision at all. Performs -way- better than the Gal Assault once you get used to the idea of hit and run.

Damn I really started to love the balacs and krins ars damnit damnit damnit looks like im screwed my problem with min was i cant seem to stick to hit and run i always tend to try and stand and deliver

Probably want to go Amarr Assault for that then, maybe even Caldari Assault. I know a lot of players still use the AR on other assaults and utilize their bonuses to different degrees. Minmatar Assault, for instance, you can use an SMG and get more rounds for it, switch between the AR and it for different targets (AR for shields, SMG for armor). Caldari Assault you can use a Bolt Pistol for high Alpha strikes, Magsec SMG for.. Well. Obviousness.

Amarr Assault you're definitely going to want to use a laser weapon with though otherwise you're sacrificing it's bonus.

HOWEVER... If you can handle the speed/fitting differences, the Gallente Commando is a half decent contender if you want to stand and deliver. Albeit, if you're going that route, you might as well go MinMando for the speed/regen and bonus to Swarms/Combat Rifles.

Up to you really, but I don't see any point in using a Gallente Assault, honestly. I say that as someone who's used the damned thing since Uprising 1.0.

I hate swarms I will use a forge gun before them and I fell massdriver isnt my thing so minmando isnt to good for me I planned to get gal assault galmando amarr sentinel min logi maxed forge guns maxed hmgs maxed ars maxed smgs nades core skills in my respec the assault i will only use when my squad isnt working together like it should or im solo other wise mainly galmando sentinel or doing av or logi basically hows that sound tho?

Depends on your playstyle, really. The hardest thing any Dust player can do is admit that they're not good at something they want to be good at, I had that problem for a long time.

The thing I find most problematic with the AR in CQC is that whilst it has an absolute ton of potential damage in its magazine it just doesn't throw it out fast enough. If you think that, in CQC scenarios, it's competing against shotguns, HMGs and combat rifles, then it's current RoF is a real disadvantage. I perform much better when using a standard ACR with a paultry 2 points invested in Operation compared to when I'm using my maxed-out AR, and I'm convinced the difference is in how many shots each can put down range.

Buff the ROF to 950rpm. That's quite the increase, I know, but again: it has to deal with mini guns, mini-mini guns (ACR) and the Alpha King shotgun. Seems reasonable to me.

It's not the weapon, it's the suit.
CQC DEMANDS speed and stamina, and yet we have the same speed and stamina as the Cal Assault.

How it's supposed to be:
Minmatar > Gallente > Caldari > Amarr

How it actually is:
Speed:
Minmatar > Gallente = Caldari > Amarr

Stamina:
Minmatar > Amarr > Gallente = Caldari



Combine that with the fact that we have the shortest range rifle, and so the Gallente Assault requires you to have at least one kin cat, otherwise you're better off just using any other assault weapon.
It's not like the bonus is a big deal.

Lot of dumb in this thread. I'm here to remedy that.

The issue with the Gallente is that there isn't anything they can do that someone else can't do better, with the exception of the Gallente Scout in terms of EWAR.

Gallente Assault and Gallente Logistics legitimately have no role.
- Gallente Logi has a bonus to active scanners which now work on a team basis but they don't get WP for it and the niche scanner (Focused) used to hunt down Scouts is incredibly difficult to use and won't even work on all Scouts. Scanners are also on par with some passive scans now. Thereby, it's role bonus is somewhat wasted as it's overall use as a Logi isn't as powerful as that of other Logis which give much more WP as a circumstance.

- Gallente Assault is asking for too many things for it's role to be useful. It needs high enough HP to survive the initial encounter, high enough regen to survive the outcome of said encounter, fast enough speed to get within range of it's intended weaponry, etc. Cross this with the fact that it's only viable high slot options are Damage Mods or EWAR (unless you're brick tanking) and it doesn't help the Assault get within range of it's weaponry.

To put it simply, there's nothing that the Gal Assault can do that someone else can't do better:
> Speed: Minmatar Assault / Any Scout
> EHP: Sentinels / Amarr Assault
> Regen: Any shield user
> DPS: Sentinels / Commandos / some Scouts
> Range: Anything other Assault
> Stamina: Any Minmatar/ Scout

The Gal Assault's role bonus is centralized around reduced fitting costs, which isn't as pertinent as it doesn't have the slots necessary to make use of that bonus. Utility modules are designed to be in the low slots almost by default, which just so happens to be used up by both HP, Regen, and Speed modules.

Then you have the DPS and TTK ratios of the weaponry intended, which I've marked (in seconds) against a 1000 EHP target: http://i.imgur.com/5hBCck7.png

As you can see, the variation between the weapons is minute at best. To put it simply, having an additional Gëñ30m isn't as prominent as shaving off 0.24s of time off your total TTK if your EHP isn't high enough to survive contending weaponry within those ranges where your own weaponry will not be as viable, or high-alpha weaponry that is better within your own ranges.

This isn't even mentioning the fact that the Gallente Assault's weaponry bonus applies to dispersion, which is both subject to the user's preference and the fact we already have a skill for the only weapon it works on (Assault Rifle Sharpshooter). This bonus is worthless on Plasma Cannons and Shotguns and the Ion Pistol is pretty kittened off in it's own right.

There are a -LOT- of problems with the Gallente Assault and there is no easy fix for making it "the king of CQC" when it's role is designed around mediocrity in several fields but not being the best at anything.



Again, you would be better off using the Minmatar Assault in that case because you'd still have the weapon fitting reduction but you'd also have an increase in ammunition toward your SMG as well as faster speeds, better regen, better slot layouts, etc.

It's not the weapon, it's the suit.
CQC DEMANDS speed and stamina, and yet we have the same speed and stamina as the Cal Assault.

How it's supposed to be:
Minmatar > Gallente > Caldari > Amarr

How it actually is:
Speed:
Minmatar > Gallente = Caldari > Amarr

Stamina:
Minmatar > Amarr > Gallente = Caldari



Combine that with the fact that we have the shortest range rifle, and so the Gallente Assault requires you to have at least one kin cat, otherwise you're better off just using any other assault weapon.
It's not like the bonus is a big deal.

Curious to here the communities suggestions on this. Just giving the AR short range clearly isn't the answer?! So how do we make the AR a close quarter titan to compliment the gallente assault dropsuit?

What do you think can be some things we change about the rifle? As we have discussed CCP rattati has adjusted the rifle in 5 previous hotfixes with hopes of better performance.