Whatever, you know full well that a militia swarm is shrugged off by most armor, you also know that it needs to be very carefully aimed to get all missiles to hit, it obstructs your field of vision and you are very exposed while using it with only a sidearm as it has no AI capability, other than the forge and plasma cannon.

I am understanding of many HAV issues, but I can assure you, there is noone listening to this in particular.

Sure, but the usual complaint is the "free swarm launcher that everyone gets" i.e. the starter fit, not a commando and swarm launcher that needs millions of SP to be truly effective

1. It need less than 5mil SP to be effective

2. A vehicle needs upwards of 10mil just to survive let alone be any use it needs alot more and even then it can still be made a joke of by 'fire and forget and dont need to look at you to fire swarms and i know my missiles will bend around x amount of corners at full speed to hit you while you try to make a evasive maneuver in which the missile stop in midair make the 235deg turn on the spot and set off at full speed again and you pray that you somehow get to 400m or some working cover'

Swarms to be effective you don't need 5 mil. In a straight vehicle vs AV fight Swarms level V , which is well under a million SP is all you need to hunt the best vehicles. Even if a grant another mil for a ADV min commando suit from scratch, thats hardly breaking Two mill.

With this you have unlocked basic heavy, adv basic heavy, basic commando, adv commando, STD, ADV, and proto swarms with a 6% bonus damage bonus. Thats 4 very useful suits and 3 tiers of weapons., the most expesive of which is roughly 70 thousand isk.

Prof.3 is around 300,000 SP. In under 3 million SP i can have a very dangerous and effective Vehicle hunting suit. which is exaclty what i run if i'm swarming.

Swarms to be effective you don't need 5 mil. In a straight vehicle vs AV fight Swarms level V , which is well under a million SP is all you need to hunt the best vehicles. Even if a grant another mil for a ADV min commando suit from scratch, thats hardly breaking Two mill.

With this you have unlocked basic heavy, adv basic heavy, basic commando, adv commando, STD, ADV, and proto swarms with a 6% bonus damage bonus. Thats 4 very useful suits and 3 tiers of weapons., the most expesive of which is roughly 70 thousand isk.

Prof.3 is around 300,000 SP. In under 3 million SP i can have a very dangerous and effective Vehicle hunting suit. which is exaclty what i run if i'm swarming.

Whatever, you know full well that a militia swarm is shrugged off by most armor, you also know that it needs to be very carefully aimed to get all missiles to hit, it obstructs your field of vision and you are very exposed while using it with only a sidearm as it has no AI capability, other than the forge and plasma cannon.

I am understanding of many HAV issues, but I can assure you, there is noone listening to this in particular.

Whatever, you know full well that a militia swarm is shrugged off by most armor, you also know that it needs to be very carefully aimed to get all missiles to hit, it obstructs your field of vision and you are very exposed while using it with only a sidearm as it has no AI capability, other than the forge and plasma cannon.

I am understanding of many HAV issues, but I can assure you, there is noone listening to this in particular.

new starter fit: "militia commando with faction assault rifle and militia plasma cannon" being planned as of three days ago

Good luck surviving the blueberries with combat rifles and the nova knife tryhards while you are at it. Especially with zero investment in the armor categories and no points in basic rifles.

So we are assuming that the character in question has nothing else to run but a swarm fit?

We could go max armor, but since the suit i described has only 1 low slot, lets go for reps, 700K SP to max it out, but about 400k for the reps we ca fit. Max shield fittings the same, but for two enh extenders we only need 400K as well. Add in an adv combat rifle,BK 42 about 300K SP.

Thats about 600K for the swarms+ 300K proficiency + 300K combat rifle + 400K armor reps + 400K shields+ 300K basic heavu suit 500K ADV comando. I'll even toss in adv nano hives for another 300K

This is for an effective fit, not the maximum best possible fit ever.

For roughly 3.1 million SP

ADV minmatar commando (+ 6% damage bonus + 6% reload speed)
unlocked: basic std heavy, basic adv heavy, basic commando, adv commando

Wyrokami swarms + prof 3 (-20% lock on speed, + 9% damage v armor)
unlocked: STD, ADV, PRO swarms

BK42 (-15% kick)
unlocked: STD and adv reuglar and assault combat rifle

2 enh shield extender
1 enhanced rep

1 K2 nanohive
unlocked STD nanohive, compact nanohive

If you saying that this is an ineffective fit, go cry me a river. You really are just playing the victim card.

It doesn't take 0 skill, but it doesn't take that much skill to ambush a HAV anyways, and seeing as you don't have to aim, you're giving it way too much credit.

Ok, reading this garbage is making me mad again about crying ADS pilots. ADS pilots, BACK OFF!

You are mad because of proto light swarms knocking you out of the air. This post was about a decent heavy weapon for vehicles that isn't an assault forge gun. If you get knocked out of the air by a forge gun then you better tip your hat and acknowledge your better (It requirements more skill than an ADS). Forge guns are tough to wield and full of trade offs that you don't understand.

A heavy version of a swarm launcher for sentinels is perfect because sentinels get eaten by vehicles, even a LAV because we can't run for cover or move around the field without our own vehicle. We have very little defense unless we switch our main gun. You have an issue with a heavy, send in a scout. Vehcile pilots should be praising heavies as the perfect balance.

Back on topic - Now a heavy swarm sounds awesome! Guided missiles on a heavy make sense especially if you add in the charge time style walking we have to do with the standard Forge Guns. (If you haven't seen that, we can barely move. The arch enemy of a heavy is a 6 inch curb.) If we had to walk around like that to get a lock, flying away would be easy. Just stroll by at half impulse and if a sentinel is proto focused on this new AV weapon, expect it to knock you out of the sky. Deal with it by out maneuvering.

Only stationary ADS are in trouble currently. If you are stationary ADS, expect to be blown up with the current swarms. Any good ADS pilot knows you always keep moving. Standing and fighting as a flying fortress was taken away. Stop QQ on these great idea posts.

Last note. With heavies in vehicles, if they get a heavy swarm launcher, don't be surprised when you see a heavy jump out of a tank that is on fire to take you out with his AV. It just is going to happen and won't be solved by keeping a gun out of a heavies hands.

Whatever, you know full well that a militia swarm is shrugged off by most armor, you also know that it needs to be very carefully aimed to get all missiles to hit, it obstructs your field of vision and you are very exposed while using it with only a sidearm as it has no AI capability, other than the forge and plasma cannon.

I am understanding of many HAV issues, but I can assure you, there is noone listening to this in particular.

Quit with that sidearm **** already. Commandos have been here for like a year now. Nobody in their right mind uses a medium frame for this.

This thread is like a Comedy Club.

One guy claims that you can have 1000 HP on an AV MinCom, another states that MLT Swarms are a competent threat, and then I heard another one say that they could make a rig for less than 4mil SP.

What's even funnier is that this was a thread asking for an AV variant (most likely a joke) and still devolved into a tear fest.