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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 745	Posted - 2015.01.23 08:24:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Whatever, you know full well that a militia swarm is shrugged off by most armor, you also know that it needs to be very carefully aimed to get all missiles to hit, it obstructs your field of vision and you are very exposed while using it with only a sidearm as it has no AI capability, other than the forge and plasma cannon. I am understanding of many HAV issues, but I can assure you, there is noone listening to this in particular. Commando It is classifed as a heavy suit (for the OP), the minmatar alone runs around with about 1000 ehp and can carry the light weapon of choice. The swarm launcher becomes a sidearm. Say a swarmer is under attack while waiting to lock on there is no weapon switch delay like a cloak does, as well as a near 1000 HP buffer to absorb a few alpha hits. sorry to bring this up again, but the swarms being "victimised" by infantry is a falsehood. Miltia swarms are going to have a tough time vs any tank, because tanks are fit to try and survive proto AV attacks. Its akin to having your only option fighting proto suits a militia AR. Personally i would remove the milita starter AV suit, its suicide vs everything, to try to protect yourself with a militia sidearm is suicide and give noobs a mlt starter forge gun suit. or a mlt starter commando suit. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 747	Posted - 2015.01.23 11:39:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: give noobs a mlt starter forge gun suit. or a mlt starter commando suit. new starter fit: "militia commando with faction assault rifle and militia plasma cannon" being planned as of three days ago This is very good news, though I actually would not mind keeping swarms on a MLT commando, as long as they don't get the racial bonus. Partly because Swarms are the simplest weapon to use, and it would be tough for a brand new player in dust to get the hang of the Plasma Cannon. Most Vets have a hard time getting used to it, its the only light weapon i left at level 1. Once racial AV weapon parity sets it, you can re assign the starter commando fits with the racial AV weapon. Untill then we can leave the swarms on all of the commando starter fits. Before the lynch mob settles in with pitchforks, I'm not really arguing for more swarms, just for the basic swarms that everybody has access to now to be on a survivable suit. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 748	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:07:00 - [3] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. It need less than 5mil SP to be effective 2. A vehicle needs upwards of 10mil just to survive let alone be any use it needs alot more and even then it can still be made a joke of by 'fire and forget and dont need to look at you to fire swarms and i know my missiles will bend around x amount of corners at full speed to hit you while you try to make a evasive maneuver in which the missile stop in midair make the 235deg turn on the spot and set off at full speed again and you pray that you somehow get to 400m or some working cover' Swarms to be effective you don't need 5 mil. In a straight vehicle vs AV fight Swarms level V , which is well under a million SP is all you need to hunt the best vehicles. Even if a grant another mil for a ADV min commando suit from scratch, thats hardly breaking Two mill. With this you have unlocked basic heavy, adv basic heavy, basic commando, adv commando, STD, ADV, and proto swarms with a 6% bonus damage bonus. Thats 4 very useful suits and 3 tiers of weapons., the most expesive of which is roughly 70 thousand isk. Prof.3 is around 300,000 SP. In under 3 million SP i can have a very dangerous and effective Vehicle hunting suit. which is exaclty what i run if i'm swarming. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 750	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:27:00 - [4] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Good luck surviving the blueberries with combat rifles and the nova knife tryhards while you are at it. Especially with zero investment in the armor categories and no points in basic rifles. So we are assuming that the character in question has nothing else to run but a swarm fit? We could go max armor, but since the suit i described has only 1 low slot, lets go for reps, 700K SP to max it out, but about 400k for the reps we ca fit. Max shield fittings the same, but for two enh extenders we only need 400K as well. Add in an adv combat rifle,BK 42 about 300K SP. Thats about 600K for the swarms+ 300K proficiency + 300K combat rifle + 400K armor reps + 400K shields+ 300K basic heavu suit 500K ADV comando. I'll even toss in adv nano hives for another 300K This is for an effective fit, not the maximum best possible fit ever. For roughly 3.1 million SP ADV minmatar commando (+ 6% damage bonus + 6% reload speed) unlocked: basic std heavy, basic adv heavy, basic commando, adv commando Wyrokami swarms + prof 3 (-20% lock on speed, + 9% damage v armor) unlocked: STD, ADV, PRO swarms BK42 (-15% kick) unlocked: STD and adv reuglar and assault combat rifle 2 enh shield extender 1 enhanced rep 1 K2 nanohive unlocked STD nanohive, compact nanohive If you saying that this is an ineffective fit, go cry me a river. You really are just playing the victim card. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 752	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:23:00 - [5] - Quote i only have my electronics and engineering to 4 and i can fit it no problem. I'll add those to the rough tally though, at about 400K apiece. Still 3.9 million. If you gave me a 5 million SP budget i could also build a pretty good ADV heavy at the same time (ehn armor plactes 400K, enh HMG, 250K ADV forge 250K. thats a pretty good deal. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 752	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:18:00 - [6] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Last note. With heavies in vehicles, if they get a heavy swarm launcher, don't be surprised when you see a heavy jump out of a tank that is on fire to take you out with his AV. It just is going to happen and won't be solved by keeping a gun out of a heavies hands. I repeat again just for you Commandos are Heavy Suits Minmatar Commandos are Heavy Suits with a damage bonus to Swarm Launchers You already have a Swam Launcher that is best fit on a Heavy Suit. Sentinels get Forge Gus, Prototype versions of AV which do the most damage of any weapon vehicle based or no in all of Dust. Sentinels and Commandos already jump out of burning vehicles wih swarms and forge guns ready to go. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

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