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All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 68	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:26:00 - [1] - Quote have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task.....put the ScR clip size at 35 and change the damage profile to 15/15.....why do we need such an extreme damage profile when shields most of the time have low values? if no then reduce the fitting cost because it has less in the clip and less max ammo so logically its a weaker weapon from before Emperor Gucci
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1793	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:39:00 - [2] - Quote All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task.....put the ScR clip size at 35 and change the damage profile to 15/15.....why do we need such an extreme damage profile when shields most of the time have low values? if no then reduce the fitting cost because it has less in the clip and less max ammo so logically its a weaker weapon from before Please do not ask them to touch the ScR they will remember it exists and magically the heat build up will get increased yet again. On a non Amarr assault suit it is barely )or just not at all) competitive as is without the assault suits. Thanks CCP for balancing based on turbo controller users and ruining what could have been a great weapon. Crap, I reminded them it exists too. I apologize now for when it just blows up in your face before you even fire.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 709	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:42:00 - [3] - Quote Don't ask for buffs, cuz CCP will nerf it even more. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2015.01.20 07:02:00 - [4] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Don't ask for buffs, cuz CCP will nerf it even more. and lose all of it's amarr assault player base in the process..... we already have guys quitting over little **** like scan fall off...all it takes is the right nerf and dust 514 becomes a ghost town orrrr super dance dance strafe scrub town 514 with no ScR around to put fear into the hearts of min assaults....then once people are fed up with only coming across wiggle wiggle fights they'll lose interest in playing........all because one weapon was not balanced properly Emperor Gucci
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1794	Posted - 2015.01.20 07:05:00 - [5] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Don't ask for buffs, cuz CCP will nerf it even more. and lose all of it's amarr assault player base in the process..... we already have guys quitting over little ** like scan fall off...all it takes is the right nerf and dust 514 becomes a ghost town orrrr super dance dance strafe scrub town 514 with no ScR around to put fear into the hearts of min assaults....then once people are fed up with only coming across wiggle wiggle fights they'll lose interest in playing........all because one weapon was not balanced properly That just means they quit instead of buying respecs. < That means CCP could not give less of a ** about them.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2015.01.20 07:19:00 - [6] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: All Gucci wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Don't ask for buffs, cuz CCP will nerf it even more. and lose all of it's amarr assault player base in the process..... we already have guys quitting over little ** like scan fall off...all it takes is the right nerf and dust 514 becomes a ghost town orrrr super dance dance strafe scrub town 514 with no ScR around to put fear into the hearts of min assaults....then once people are fed up with only coming across wiggle wiggle fights they'll lose interest in playing........all because one weapon was not balanced properly That just means they quit instead of buying respecs. < That means CCP could not give less of a ** about them. Losing a player that can potentially constantly buy aurum....because they want lockboxes with their fav weapons, bpos of their fav suits and all that good stuff VS a player who just buys 1 respec because his playstyle is nerfd.......Idk about you but I would rather have the satisfied customer coming back for more than the one time buyer Emperor Gucci
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 158	Posted - 2015.01.20 07:25:00 - [7] - Quote I agree about the fitting cost, 20 PG (proto lvl) are waaaay too much! Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1795	Posted - 2015.01.20 07:26:00 - [8] - Quote All Gucci wrote: deezy dabest wrote: All Gucci wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Don't ask for buffs, cuz CCP will nerf it even more. and lose all of it's amarr assault player base in the process..... we already have guys quitting over little ** like scan fall off...all it takes is the right nerf and dust 514 becomes a ghost town orrrr super dance dance strafe scrub town 514 with no ScR around to put fear into the hearts of min assaults....then once people are fed up with only coming across wiggle wiggle fights they'll lose interest in playing........all because one weapon was not balanced properly That just means they quit instead of buying respecs. < That means CCP could not give less of a ** about them. Losing a player that can potentially constantly buy aurum....because they want lockboxes with their fav weapons, bpos of their fav suits and all that good stuff VS a player who just buys 1 respec because his playstyle is nerfd.......Idk about you but I would rather have the satisfied customer coming back for more than the one time buyer LOL These people buying respecs are feeding people 100s of dollars each. I have talked with so many people that have bought 8 - 10 respecs on just their main character. This is HARDLY a one time customer.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2015.01.20 07:35:00 - [9] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: All Gucci wrote: deezy dabest wrote: All Gucci wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Don't ask for buffs, cuz CCP will nerf it even more. and lose all of it's amarr assault player base in the process..... we already have guys quitting over little ** like scan fall off...all it takes is the right nerf and dust 514 becomes a ghost town orrrr super dance dance strafe scrub town 514 with no ScR around to put fear into the hearts of min assaults....then once people are fed up with only coming across wiggle wiggle fights they'll lose interest in playing........all because one weapon was not balanced properly That just means they quit instead of buying respecs. < That means CCP could not give less of a ** about them. Losing a player that can potentially constantly buy aurum....because they want lockboxes with their fav weapons, bpos of their fav suits and all that good stuff VS a player who just buys 1 respec because his playstyle is nerfd.......Idk about you but I would rather have the satisfied customer coming back for more than the one time buyer LOL These people buying respecs are feeding people 100s of dollars each. I have talked with so many people that have bought 8 - 10 respecs on just their main character. This is HARDLY a one time customer. I think you are over exaggerating....so many people? why havent I come across any?.... respecs haven't been around for that long and there hasn't been a bunch of fixes since its existence....unless they have less than 20 mil sp and just suck... I don't see someone needing to respec 8-10 times to find a new suit...with that many respecs you could simply buy the SP you needed. Emperor Gucci
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1797	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:11:00 - [10] - Quote All Gucci wrote: I think you are over exaggerating....so many people? why havent I come across any?.... respecs haven't been around for that long and there hasn't been a bunch of fixes since its existence....unless they have less than 20 mil sp and just suck... I don't see someone needing to respec 8-10 times to find a new suit...with that many respecs you could simply buy the SP you needed. Not all of them but it definitely seems like the average person that buys 1 respec has already bought a second or more. My point tho is that CCP is loving these people that are just speccing back and forth into everything when the tiniest change happens. Them and BPO collectors are spending enough to 100% support this game even without booster sales.

hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 565	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:19:00 - [11] - Quote so you want to buff a weapon because/so it's more useful to people who don't use damage mods. your logic is astounding
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:31:00 - [12] - Quote hold that wrote: so you want to buff a weapon because/so it's more useful to people who don't use damage mods. your logic is astounding At what point did you see me say buff? lol 15/15 isn't a buff?...by your logic then 20/20 is a Nerf? so you agree with me that the 20/20 damage profile is unnecessary? and putting the clip at 35 isn't a buff, it is a tiny unnerf since it was up until this point 45 in the clip. Sit down. Emperor Gucci
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1859	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:42:00 - [13] - Quote All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task.....put the ScR clip size at 35 and change the damage profile to 15/15.....why do we need such an extreme damage profile when shields most of the time have low values? if no then reduce the fitting cost because it has less in the clip and less max ammo so logically its a weaker weapon from before yet it still does more dps to armor than CR it just has less armor damage till overheat than CR has in the whole clip but this is really a nonissue, if you miss too much switch to sidearm and finish him off
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2015.01.20 09:47:00 - [14] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task.....put the ScR clip size at 35 and change the damage profile to 15/15.....why do we need such an extreme damage profile when shields most of the time have low values? if no then reduce the fitting cost because it has less in the clip and less max ammo so logically its a weaker weapon from before yet it still does more dps to armor than CR it just has less armor damage till overheat than CR has in the whole clip but this is really a nonissue, if you miss too much switch to sidearm and finish him off Is this another one of those potential dps vs actual attainable dps things? cause if it is I can just as easily say your combat rifle can outrageously out dps my scrambler in 3 seconds if both were firing non stop (difference in seize time and reload time for scr and cr). I recognize your name cause you always cry about getting killed by the ScR lmfao dude Cr is toooo easy to use, it so easy to unload the clip into someone without missing its not even funny, but that's a "nonissue". if you miss too much don't worry you don't have to be immobilized and defenseless for 5 sec just dance in a circle and switch to your side arm to rip away his shield then finish him off Emperor Gucci
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1859	Posted - 2015.01.20 10:25:00 - [15] - Quote All Gucci wrote: I recognize your name cause you always cry about getting killed by the ScR lmfao dude Cr is toooo easy to use, it so easy to unload the clip into someone without missing its not even funny, but that's a "nonissue". wow I just pointed out that ScR does more DPS to armor than CR and you answer with a sh1tpost that instantly flushed down your credibilty down the toilet, goob job dude... first, note that ScR + armor shredding sidearm does way more overall dps than CR + whatever sidearm you fit. second, you are free to point me towards the post where I cry about getting killed by ScR, oh wait, you cant because it never happened. third, you claim you can "aim" better with CR? how is that so, please explain? does the different color & shape of the weapon makes you hit less? oh I know, you are just a spray and pray scrub, that is why you cant hit with the ScR. if your lack of aiming skill is your only argument then maybe you should join Dust Uni, I will teach you how to All Gucci wrote: if you miss too much don't worry you don't have to be immobilized and defenseless for 5 sec just dance in a circle and switch to your side arm to rip away his shield then finish him off what you wrote does not even make sense, please leave your troll logic in your cave...
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7171	Posted - 2015.01.20 10:57:00 - [16] - Quote Headshots therefore your argument is invalid. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 817	Posted - 2015.01.20 11:42:00 - [17] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: All Gucci wrote: if you miss too much don't worry you don't have to be immobilized and defenseless for 5 sec just dance in a circle and switch to your side arm to rip away his shield then finish him off this does not even make sense, please leave your troll logic in your cave... he is bringing up a valid point that with the scrambler rifle too many misses can end up with a gun overheat for 5 seconds making you unable to run jump or switch weapons. He is stating it by saying with a combat rifle if you have crap aim and run out of ammo in your clip you just switch to a sidearm and continue to dps.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1859	Posted - 2015.01.20 11:58:00 - [18] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: he is bringing up a valid point that with the scrambler rifle too many misses can end up with a gun overheat for 5 seconds making you unable to run jump or switch weapons. He is stating it by saying with a combat rifle if you have crap aim and run out of ammo in your clip you just switch to a sidearm and continue to dps. watch overheat and stop firing before it overheats? lack of skill is no argument.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 40	Posted - 2015.01.20 12:01:00 - [19] - Quote Laser is the opposite of explosive. 20/20. I believe you are realizing the laser profile is anti shield. I'm sorry to say that change is not happening anytime soon. Remember the ScR has high alpha, the -20 isn't too bad. The laser rifle will become closer to OP with a 15/15 profile. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Zindorak Nyain Chan 1660	Posted - 2015.01.20 12:22:00 - [20] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: I agree about the fitting cost, 20 PG (proto lvl) are waaaay too much! Yea Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15142	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:02:00 - [21] - Quote Well looks like you have 4 options here: 1. You could HTFU 2. You could put DMs on your Scrambler Rifle. 3. You could use a different weapon 4. You could come onto the forums and cry about it. Though It should be said that Scrambler Rifles have no problem ripping through 500 HP of Shields, even without DMs. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
4lbert Wesker WESKER S.T.A.R.S 37	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:08:00 - [22] - Quote All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task.....put the ScR clip size at 35 and change the damage profile to 15/15.....why do we need such an extreme damage profile when shields most of the time have low values? if no then reduce the fitting cost because it has less in the clip and less max ammo so logically its a weaker weapon from before Did you ever tried to take out Caldari Sentinel suit with that ****?If you did,you would not make this topic. Public skirmish = camping games
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 333	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:08:00 - [23] - Quote to be honest, i only run the scram on my ammar assault with damage mods. i would be barely playable on any other suit without imo. clip size is not the issue for me and i use the militia scram most of the time ( has a smaller clip). CCP simply needs to make heat build up per shot not over time - so any normal person can get a reasonable amout of shots off in a normal suit and that bit more for the ammar suit.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:19:00 - [24] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: #selfrekt wow I just pointed out that ScR does more DPS to armor than CR and you answer with a shitpost that instantly flushed your credibilty down the toilet, goob job dude. first, I dont use the CR, but I know maths and the exact values of the CR & ScR, unlike alot of people (you included). note that ScR + armor shredding sidearm does way more overall dps than CR + whatever sidearm you fit. Lmao you neither use the ScR not the Cr and you assume you have the credibility to speak on the subject because you know about some paper stats? do you hear yourself dude? why do you bring in side arms when were are talking about the weapons themselves not weapon + side arm? and if you must know BScp and Cr are just as effective as Scr+ Smg Jack McReady wrote: second, you are free to point me towards the post where I cry about getting killed by ScR, oh wait, you cant because it never happened. Lmfao you are on every ScR post crying about it.....or did you get dropped on your head as a child?? I have neither the fucks nor the patience to look for when you are crying about the ScR but people who do pay attention to the threads will obviously recognize your name in every one of them crying about the ScR. Jack McReady wrote: third, you claim you can "aim" better with CR? how is that so, please explain? does the different color & shape of the weapon makes you hit less? oh I know, you are just a spray and pray scrub, that is why you cant hit with the ScR. if your lack of aiming skill is your only argument then maybe you should join Dust Uni, I will teach you how to Dude I would wreck you in so little time you would be back on the forums with another nerf thread in mere seconds I never pull out my sidearm because scrubs like you try to out strafe my nearly perfect aim lmfao I am a beast and you are a pet, but if you wanna see how accurate I am, the difference between me and you ,and a real reason to cry about the ScR I'll put 30 mill on a 1v1 and have sax record today, tomorrow,next week, or whenever Join T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K PUB Ill gladly end your dust career Emperor Gucci
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:23:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Though It should be said that Scrambler Rifles have no problem ripping through 500 HP of Shields, even without DMs. aren't you the genius? here have a cookies. who knew a weapon with 20% to shields could do that? Emperor Gucci
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15144	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:24:00 - [26] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Atiim wrote: Though It should be said that Scrambler Rifles have no problem ripping through 500 HP of Shields, even without DMs. aren't you the genius? here have a cookies. who knew a weapon with 20% to shields could do that? Apparently you, as you're the one who made a thread crying about how SCRs couldn't kill anything over 500 HP. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3732	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:27:00 - [27] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Dude I would wreck you in so little time you would be back on the forums with another nerf thread in mere seconds I never pull out my sidearm because scrubs like you try to out strafe my nearly perfect aim lmfao I am a beast and you are a pet, but if you wanna see how accurate I am, the difference between me and you ,and a real reason to cry about the ScR I'll put 30 mill on a 1v1 and have sax record today, tomorrow,next week, or whenever Join T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K PUB Ill gladly end your dust career Modest Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:29:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: All Gucci wrote: Atiim wrote: Though It should be said that Scrambler Rifles have no problem ripping through 500 HP of Shields, even without DMs. aren't you the genius? here have a cookies. who knew a weapon with 20% to shields could do that? Apparently you, as you're the one who made a thread crying about how SCRs couldn't kill anything over 500 HP. All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task..... you are a genius that lacks the ability to ready guess you weren't a genius after all lol Emperor Gucci
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1861	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:50:00 - [29] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Lmao you neither use the ScR not the Cr and you assume you have the credibility to speak on the subject because you know about some paper stats? do you hear yourself dude? why do you bring in side arms when were are talking about the weapons themselves not weapon + side arm? and if you must know BScp and Cr are just as effective as Scr+ Smg I used all the weapons far longer than you. there is a cool concept called respect, I just dont use the weapons now. and math does not lie. fact is, ScR does more DPS than CR in any circumstance and you dont get it. conclusion is that you are a scrub with no credibility. but please go on, tell us more, amuse us. All Gucci wrote: Lmfao you are on every ScR post crying about it.....or did you get dropped on your head as a child?? I have neither the fucks nor the patience to look for when you are crying about the ScR but people who do pay attention to the threads will obviously recognize your name in every one of them crying about the ScR. I ask to point me to the thread/post, you reply with personal attacks and poor excuses. #allguciselfrekt All Gucci wrote: Dude I would wreck you in so little time you would be back on the forums with another nerf thread in mere seconds I never pull out my sidearm because scrubs like you try to out strafe my nearly perfect aim lmfao I am a beast and you are a pet, but if you wanna see how accurate I am, the difference between me and you ,and a real reason to cry about the ScR I'll put 30 mill on a 1v1 and have sax record today, tomorrow,next week, or whenever Join T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K PUB Ill gladly end your dust career yeah, you are a beast, that is why you have to make a thread where you whine that you cant kill with ScR. additionally few posts ago you whined that you overheat when you miss a few times and now you have "perfect aim"... your stupidity reached a whole level. congratulations, no one can take you serious anymore. here is your medal... made out of poo... fits you perfectly
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:26:00 - [30] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: I used all the weapons far longer than you, I just respecced out of it to try out new stuff without the need of grinding for SP. and math does not lie. fact is, ScR does more DPS than CR in any circumstance, you don't get it. conclusion is that you are a scrub with no credibility. but please go on, tell us more, amuse us. Lol your arguments are paper stats that apply with perfect conditions....you have zero credibility to speak about the battlefield not everyone stands in one place and lets you hit them with a semi-auto . Jack McReady wrote: I ask to point me to the thread, you reply with personal attacks and poor excuses. #allguciselfrekt Just because I don't want to go looking for you name in different threads that's a poor excuse? lmfao you are the poor excuse... kings don't mingle with the peasants or should I restate this in a lot more simple terms.....you are not worth the time little roach. Jack McReady wrote: yeah, you are a beast, that is why you have to make a thread where you whine that you cant kill with ScR. additionally few posts ago you whined that you overheat when you miss a few times and now you have "perfect aim"... your stupidity reached a whole level. I never said that? lmfao you are a complete idiot....please quote for me the exact sentence where I said I can't kill with it? it's in this thread supposedly so it shouldn't take any effort.... I said it was a challenge to kill armor stacked suit with noooo damage mods...here I'll highlight and underline so you can see your stupidity... and I never complained about overheating after missing shots? you making crap up in your head kid....and I said nearly perfect aim not perfect . funny how you cut only the part you needed hahahah ,but about that challenge though...are you just gonna act like you didn't see it and cower in fear behind your computer or are you gonna grab the controller grow some nuts and come face me like a man? Emperor Gucci

All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:33:00 - [31] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: yet it still does more dps to armor than CR it just has less armor damage till overheat than CR has in the whole clip but this is really a nonissue, if you miss too much switch to sidearm and finish him off Fizzer XCIV wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: It has more DPS vs. armor than a CR, but thats cool too... No. It doesn't. Max CR Armor DPS: 644 Max ScR Armor DPS: 520 Keep in mind that Max DPS is also much easier to achieve on a CR than it is on an ScR, which widens the gap in real use. just wanted to throw that in to poop on your life some more :) Emperor Gucci
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15148	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:27:00 - [32] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Atiim wrote: Apparently you, as you're the one who made a thread crying about how SCRs couldn't kill anything over 500 HP. All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task..... you are a genius that lacks the ability to ready guess you weren't a genius after all lol 500 Armor HP is still 500 HP. Guess that makes you a butthurt scrub, and me a genius. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 309	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:36:00 - [33] - Quote All Gucci wrote: hold that wrote: so you want to buff a weapon because/so it's more useful to people who don't use damage mods. your logic is astounding At what point did you see me say buff? lol 15/15 isn't a buff?...by your logic then 20/20 is a Nerf? so you agree with me that the 20/20 damage profile is unnecessary? and putting the clip at 35 isn't a buff, it is a tiny unnerf since it was up until this point 45 in the clip. Sit down. Most suits are armor tanked, and armor tanked suits have more armor than shield tanked suits have shields, so overall a percentage increase to armor damage is much more valuable than the same percentage increase to shield damage, so yes, if you trade -5% shield dmg for +5% armor damage, in the current meta of the game its a substantial buff. Not that I mind, I've been advocating tightening the profile of the scrambler rifle for a while, because that weapon is prohibitively overpowered against shield tankers. Nobody seems to care though. Its like people think having a weapon that is effective at all ranges up to ~90ish meters that can wipe out any amount of shields in the game in under a second is fair. TTK is pretty quick in this game but the scrambler rifle against shield suits is just bullshit quick. And dont tell me any other rifle is even comparable, they require consistant dps over a couple of seconds or more to take someone down, and they cant deliver the majority of that damage in the first half second of a fight, they are forced to deliver it over time which gives people time to react and take cover.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:58:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: All Gucci wrote: Atiim wrote: Apparently you, as you're the one who made a thread crying about how SCRs couldn't kill anything over 500 HP. All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task..... you are a genius that lacks the ability to ready guess you weren't a genius after all lol 500 Armor HP is still 500 HP. Guess that makes you a butthurt scrub, and me a genius. Reread what you said then read what I said.....if you are a genius you should be able to see your own mistake....I never said It couldnt kill anything with over 500 hp i said it was more challenging to kill something with more than 500 armor hp..... so no you are very far from a genius your a special kind of stupid but its okay .lmao yes I'm sooo butthurt, I can delete shield base suits in 2 seconds I'm angry!! Emperor Gucci
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:16:00 - [35] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: All Gucci wrote: hold that wrote: so you want to buff a weapon because/so it's more useful to people who don't use damage mods. your logic is astounding At what point did you see me say buff? lol 15/15 isn't a buff?...by your logic then 20/20 is a Nerf? so you agree with me that the 20/20 damage profile is unnecessary? and putting the clip at 35 isn't a buff, it is a tiny unnerf since it was up until this point 45 in the clip. Sit down. Most suits are armor tanked, and armor tanked suits have more armor than shield tanked suits have shields, so overall a percentage increase to armor damage is much more valuable than the same percentage increase to shield damage, so yes, if you trade -5% shield dmg for +5% armor damage, in the current meta of the game its a substantial buff. Not that I mind, I've been advocating tightening the profile of the scrambler rifle for a while, because that weapon is prohibitively overpowered against shield tankers. Nobody seems to care though. Its like people think having a weapon that is effective at all ranges up to ~90ish meters that can wipe out any amount of shields in the game in under a second is fair. TTK is pretty quick in this game but the scrambler rifle against shield suits is just bullshit quick. And dont tell me any other rifle is even comparable, they require consistant dps over a couple of seconds or more to take someone down, and they cant deliver the majority of that damage in the first half second of a fight, they are forced to deliver it over time which gives people time to react and take cover. buff or nerf its a matter of perspective I guess..... if shields and armor are supposedly balance against each other then 15/15 is neither a nerf nor a buff...and I intended to make the ScR less punishing on shield suits because all you hear from them is tears..... all you hear from me is laughter.... Emperor Gucci
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 309	Posted - 2015.01.20 19:17:00 - [36] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: All Gucci wrote: hold that wrote: so you want to buff a weapon because/so it's more useful to people who don't use damage mods. your logic is astounding At what point did you see me say buff? lol 15/15 isn't a buff?...by your logic then 20/20 is a Nerf? so you agree with me that the 20/20 damage profile is unnecessary? and putting the clip at 35 isn't a buff, it is a tiny unnerf since it was up until this point 45 in the clip. Sit down. Most suits are armor tanked, and armor tanked suits have more armor than shield tanked suits have shields, so overall a percentage increase to armor damage is much more valuable than the same percentage increase to shield damage, so yes, if you trade -5% shield dmg for +5% armor damage, in the current meta of the game its a substantial buff. Not that I mind, I've been advocating tightening the profile of the scrambler rifle for a while, because that weapon is prohibitively overpowered against shield tankers. Nobody seems to care though. Its like people think having a weapon that is effective at all ranges up to ~90ish meters that can wipe out any amount of shields in the game in under a second is fair. TTK is pretty quick in this game but the scrambler rifle against shield suits is just bullshit quick. And dont tell me any other rifle is even comparable, they require consistant dps over a couple of seconds or more to take someone down, and they cant deliver the majority of that damage in the first half second of a fight, they are forced to deliver it over time which gives people time to react and take cover. buff or nerf its a matter of perspective I guess..... if shields and armor are supposedly balance against each other then 15/15 is neither a nerf nor a buff...and I intended to make the ScR less punishing on shield suits because all you hear from them is tears..... all you hear from me is laughter.... Well, I dont think shields and armor are balanced against each other, theres lots of reasons like the laser weapons have absurd profiles, regen not really being better for shields after the armor rep buff, existence of triage hives and rep tools dramatically favor armor tank, and so forth, but thats another thread. For these scrambler threads I just like to mention that I'd rather not have rifle weapons in the game that can insta wipe shields in under half a second with high precision, good long range performance, good CQC performance, good effective ranges, and with no real drawback. ;d
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 19:27:00 - [37] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: All Gucci wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: All Gucci wrote: hold that wrote: so you want to buff a weapon because/so it's more useful to people who don't use damage mods. your logic is astounding At what point did you see me say buff? lol 15/15 isn't a buff?...by your logic then 20/20 is a Nerf? so you agree with me that the 20/20 damage profile is unnecessary? and putting the clip at 35 isn't a buff, it is a tiny unnerf since it was up until this point 45 in the clip. Sit down. Most suits are armor tanked, and armor tanked suits have more armor than shield tanked suits have shields, so overall a percentage increase to armor damage is much more valuable than the same percentage increase to shield damage, so yes, if you trade -5% shield dmg for +5% armor damage, in the current meta of the game its a substantial buff. Not that I mind, I've been advocating tightening the profile of the scrambler rifle for a while, because that weapon is prohibitively overpowered against shield tankers. Nobody seems to care though. Its like people think having a weapon that is effective at all ranges up to ~90ish meters that can wipe out any amount of shields in the game in under a second is fair. TTK is pretty quick in this game but the scrambler rifle against shield suits is just bullshit quick. And dont tell me any other rifle is even comparable, they require consistant dps over a couple of seconds or more to take someone down, and they cant deliver the majority of that damage in the first half second of a fight, they are forced to deliver it over time which gives people time to react and take cover. buff or nerf its a matter of perspective I guess..... if shields and armor are supposedly balance against each other then 15/15 is neither a nerf nor a buff...and I intended to make the ScR less punishing on shield suits because all you hear from them is tears..... all you hear from me is laughter.... Well, I dont think shields and armor are balanced against each other, theres lots of reasons like the laser weapons have absurd profiles, regen not really being better for shields after the armor rep buff, existence of triage hives and rep tools dramatically favor armor tank, and so forth, but thats another thread. For these scrambler threads I just like to mention that I'd rather not have rifle weapons in the game that can insta wipe shields in under half a second with high precision, good long range performance, good CQC performance, good effective ranges, and with no real drawback. ;d no real draw back!? Vesta this is blasphemy! slowest suit in the game....5 sec overheat, 50 damage, charge reload glitch,excessive heat build up with the charge shot... no spray and pray to fall back on....its has draw backs vesta you just ignore them . Emperor Gucci
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1861	Posted - 2015.01.20 19:43:00 - [38] - Quote All Gucci wrote: I never said that? lmfao you are a complete idiot.... ... if you miss too much don't worry you don't have to be immobilized and defenseless for 5 sec just dance in a circle and switch to your side arm to rip away his shield then finish him off the irony you whine nonstop, here you have proof. All Gucci wrote: Lol your arguments are paper stats that apply with perfect conditions... ... Fizzer XCIV wrote: No. It doesn't. Max CR Armor DPS: 644 Max ScR Armor DPS: 520 Keep in mind that Max DPS is also much easier to achieve on a CR than it is on an ScR, which widens the gap in real use. just wanted to throw that in to poop on your life some more :) first you claim I focus on paper stats, then you post stats by youself are you that stupid? and the best part about it is you quote someone that is known for being clueless about ingame mechanics and calculation. CR stats are: burst delay 0.06 fire delay 0.05 burst interval 3 burst fire mechanics works the following way (can be read up here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175033): total delay = burst interval * fire delay + burst delay = 0.21 real RPM = 60 / total interval for each burst * burst length = 857,1428571428571 base DPS = RPM / 60 * weapon damage = 424,2857142857143 DPS against armor = DPS * proficiency bonus * profile bonus/penalty = 561,1178571428571 now lets take a loot at SCR. base DPS = RPM / 60 * weapon damage = 715 DPS against armor = DPS * profile bonus/penalty = 572 proto CR deals 561 dps against armor ( with max prof. skill). proto SCR deals 572 dps against armor. do you enjoy wrecking yourself in your anus with every post you made?
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 20:45:00 - [39] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: [quote=All Gucci] I never said that? lmfao you are a complete idiot.... ... if you miss too much don't worry you don't have to be immobilized and defenseless for 5 sec just dance in a circle and switch to your side arm to rip away his shield then finish him off That was talking about the Cr and not the ScR are you that stupid did you get lost? You link me to a thread talking about the burst hmg like that's supposed to confirm combat rifle data? where in there does he say the same formula applies to the Cr? or do you assume they have the same formula because it's a burst weapon? Emperor Gucci
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2924	Posted - 2015.01.20 20:50:00 - [40] - Quote I think you two need to agree to disagree and let it go.....

All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 72	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:05:00 - [41] - Quote I guess... but about that 1v1 Emperor Gucci
Cheydinhal Guard Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 488	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:27:00 - [42] - Quote All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task.....put the ScR clip size at 35 and change the damage profile to 15/15.....why do we need such an extreme damage profile when shields most of the time have low values? if no then reduce the fitting cost because it has less in the clip and less max ammo so logically its a weaker weapon from before +15/-15 doesn't make sense lore wise. Lasers would mirror projectiles. Anyway, that's just the way it is. ScRs are meant to struggle against well-armored foes. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3162	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:37:00 - [43] - Quote Always lacking the big picture... Even going to such a small picture scenario where it is claimed that CCP will loosea bunch of customers if a weapon gets nerfed. Firstly : DUST 514 has one of the largest turn over rates in video game history... Meaning they completely recycle 80-90% of their player population every month. Only 10-20% of players still remain after each month.. And DUST has been operating this way since Open Beta. Secondly : There has never been a weapon or item in the history of DUST that hasn't been nerfed... Third : Small picture scenario where a Shield based weapon takes on an armor based target... There was always supposed to be some balance and parity between shield and armor... Your issue is with the lack of parity between shield and armor suits not allowing the SCR to fulfill it's role in DUST because nearly every competitive fitted suit is brick tanked. Negating the purpose of damage profiles in the first place.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 317	Posted - 2015.01.21 00:21:00 - [44] - Quote All Gucci wrote: no real draw back!? Vesta this is blasphemy! slowest suit in the game....5 sec overheat, 50 damage, charge reload glitch,excessive heat build up with the charge shot... no spray and pray to fall back on....its has draw backs vesta you just ignore them . I just dont think the drawbacks are special, rail rifles have worse drawbacks these days with the kick/charge mechanic changes, and it takes more skill to time bursts to maximize dps on combat rifles than to just not shoot more than 18 shots, and you dont have to use it on the slowest suit in the game, which isnt the amar assault anyway. Also poopsticks.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 74	Posted - 2015.01.21 02:11:00 - [45] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: All Gucci wrote: no real draw back!? Vesta this is blasphemy! slowest suit in the game....5 sec overheat, 50 damage, charge reload glitch,excessive heat build up with the charge shot... no spray and pray to fall back on....its has draw backs vesta you just ignore them . I just dont think the drawbacks are special, rail rifles have worse drawbacks these days with the kick/charge mechanic changes, and it takes more skill to time bursts to maximize dps on combat rifles than to just not shoot more than 18 shots, and you dont have to use it on the slowest suit in the game, which isnt the amar assault anyway. Also poopsticks. If the draw backs aren't balance enough for the weapon why would the weapon even exist vesta? and nooooooo rail rifle and combat rifle are aloooot easier to use lmfao cant believe you said that.....Idk if I wanna squad with you after hearing that you run minassault all day, you clearly said in squad you dislike ScR for that same reason.... Emperor Gucci
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1863	Posted - 2015.01.21 09:26:00 - [46] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I think you two need to agree to disagree and let it go..... he is a prime example of a carried casual who doesnt know the basics about the ingame mechanics (which he has proven by himself every post he made), yet he spills out bs about it all round in the forum. this thread is just a farce and whine post in disguise made by all gucci the scrublord. when a new player visits forum for valuable information he might stumble upon his shitposts thus I wont accept someone spreading misinformation.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7922	Posted - 2015.01.21 10:25:00 - [47] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: All Gucci wrote: have you ever tried to take out an armor suit with more then 500 hp with no damage mods? its quite the difficult task.....put the ScR clip size at 35 and change the damage profile to 15/15.....why do we need such an extreme damage profile when shields most of the time have low values? if no then reduce the fitting cost because it has less in the clip and less max ammo so logically its a weaker weapon from before Please do not ask them to touch the ScR they will remember it exists and magically the heat build up will get increased yet again. On a non Amarr assault suit it is barely )or just not at all) competitive as is without the assault suits. Thanks CCP for balancing based on turbo controller users and ruining what could have been a great weapon. Crap, I reminded them it exists too. I apologize now for when it just blows up in your face before you even fire. You clearly have never met Tiberius. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2015.01.21 14:05:00 - [48] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I think you two need to agree to disagree and let it go..... he is a prime example of a carried casual who doesnt know the basics about the ingame mechanics (which he has proven by himself every post he made), yet he spills out bs about it all round in the forum. this thread is just a farce and whine post in disguise made by all gucci the scrublord. when a new player visits forum for valuable information he might stumble upon his shitposts thus I wont accept someone spreading misinformation. You are the prime example of arrogance and ignorance you assume you know how a weapon works because you know MAX attainable dps and some paper stats like every suit is just going to stand there and let you hit them with a semi auto. Cr is so incredibly easy there is 0 debate about that, you can burst and adjust your aim during a burst....easy much? lmfao are you going to ignore my challenge again like the feeble roach you are or will you grow a pair and respond ? Emperor Gucci
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1865	Posted - 2015.01.21 14:48:00 - [49] - Quote All Gucci wrote: You are the prime example of arrogance and ignorance you assume you know how a weapon works because you know MAX attainable dps and some paper stats like every suit is just going to stand there and let you hit them with a semi auto. Cr is so incredibly easy there is 0 debate about that, you can burst and adjust your aim during a burst....easy much? lmfao are you going to ignore my challenge again like the feeble roach you are or will you grow a pair and respond ? how cute, you think you can make proclamations like that. they grow up so quickly don't they? anyway, your lack of skill is no argument and never was. you havent brought up a single argument yet and repeating the same "oh I cant hit as easy and overheat" does not qualify. please continue your whine festival and amuse us more. munches popcorn
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 78	Posted - 2015.01.21 16:27:00 - [50] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: All Gucci wrote: You are the prime example of arrogance and ignorance you assume you know how a weapon works because you know MAX attainable dps and some paper stats like every suit is just going to stand there and let you hit them with a semi auto. Cr is so incredibly easy there is 0 debate about that, you can burst and adjust your aim during a burst....easy much? lmfao are you going to ignore my challenge again like the feeble roach you are or will you grow a pair and respond ? how cute, you think you can make proclamations like that. they grow up so quickly don't they? anyway, your lack of skill is no argument and never was. you havent brought up a single argument yet and repeating the same "oh I cant hit as easy and overheat" does not qualify. please continue your whine festival and amuse us more. munches popcorn Lol you really are a duck, hide behind that computer puss boy. When ever you feel like growing a pair and facing me in match I'll be there to crush you and your soul Emperor Gucci

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. 266	Posted - 2015.01.21 17:52:00 - [51] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I think you two need to agree to disagree and let it go..... God no. Let them continue forum bashing each other it made the thread worthwhile reading. But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1869	Posted - 2015.01.21 17:56:00 - [52] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Lol you really are a duck, hide behind that computer puss boy. When ever you feel like growing a pair and facing me in match I'll be there to crush you and your soul so you have no clue and credibility thus you need to duel me? well, come at me bro I will show you a special magic trick, I can make my nova knife disappear
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 319	Posted - 2015.01.21 18:51:00 - [53] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: All Gucci wrote: no real draw back!? Vesta this is blasphemy! slowest suit in the game....5 sec overheat, 50 damage, charge reload glitch,excessive heat build up with the charge shot... no spray and pray to fall back on....its has draw backs vesta you just ignore them . I just dont think the drawbacks are special, rail rifles have worse drawbacks these days with the kick/charge mechanic changes, and it takes more skill to time bursts to maximize dps on combat rifles than to just not shoot more than 18 shots, and you dont have to use it on the slowest suit in the game, which isnt the amar assault anyway. Also poopsticks. If the draw backs aren't balance enough for the weapon why would the weapon even exist vesta? and nooooooo rail rifle and combat rifle are aloooot easier to use lmfao cant believe you said that.....Idk if I wanna squad with you after hearing that you run minassault all day, you clearly said in squad you dislike ScR for that same reason.... Thats not why I dont like the SCR. I don't like the SCR because its rediculously overpowered against certain suits, the end effect being very strong incentives to players to brick armor tank. I've said a million times the thing is cruddy against armor tanked players, and super strong against shield only tanked suits and low hp suits (either new players or scouts). I dont really want it nerfed, I want it rebalanced so that its not a huge 3 part epic to kill a heavy and not incredibly trivial to kill non-tanked or shield based suits. Thats why I suggest stuff like tightening up the damage profile instead of outright nerfing its damage. I'd also like to see the charge shot cost more in terms of heat (coming close to overheat and maybe leaving enough heat for a few, ~3-4, follow up shots), since the alpha damage + follow up shots again make it trivial to kill low HP/shield tanked players. I have this weapon skilled up more than any of my other weapons, and its my favorite weapon. The only reason I dont use it now is because Im obsessed with my minmitar assault suit and want it to be pure minmitar sexytime. And the RR kick/charge and combat rifle timing IS harder to deal with than the overheat, which is just a matter of muscle memory once you've used it long enough. Kisses (no homo)


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