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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.17 23:12:00 -
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So I have now done some research and have found that a completely random grouping of people in Pubs in a squad does work even without mic support, just using basic squad commands (squad leader knows what he/she is doing with the almighty wheel) and by playing as a team of people.
To do this I made a "Public" squad and waited for it to fill up with people. As time went on we went from Dominating the matches (domination mode) to outright cloning out the other team over the course of 3 hrs. The squad started as 2 members and grew with each match and was successful. We had squad members from more than one random corp and it was amazing how well everyone who just wanted to play as a team could work together both without comms and without any instructions other than normal squad commands.
We did not proto stomp, we rolled over all the solo players on the other teams. Like a wave of terror they ran fleeing to the hills and tried to snipe us but still we came on strong and persevered. It was like a death squad in some horror film, not even the tanks that they threw at us could stand up to our fury.
Keep in mind this was a completely random group of mercs who all joined a squad and deployed with some simple planning before hand. Punch for ammo, stay together to stay alive, follow squad orders for movement. This is not hard to do guys and really funny how well it worked.
Thank you to all who participated in the application of bullets with me this afternoon. It was a true pleasure I will be running these Public Access Squads on a regular basis, if you want to be part of the "education process" join me in schooling the solos, one match at a time.
How long til this hits PC?
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5569
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Posted - 2015.01.17 23:28:00 -
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Helghus Resther
Heisen Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.17 23:55:00 -
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I agree with this as much better than running alone. Low coordination squads are still highly likely when running with random players in squad finder, especially without mic support.
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CrotchGrab 360
Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase
1944
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Posted - 2015.01.17 23:57:00 -
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Do you know what annoys me about squad finder?
I join a squad, it fills up, most of the time the leader never queues up and everyone leaves. This would happen 9 times out of 10.
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
194
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:18:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Do you know what annoys me about squad finder?
I join a squad, it fills up, most of the time the leader never queues up and everyone leaves. This would happen 9 times out of 10. I think I had a few of you "not like about squad finder types" try and join the squad today. We had just left battle my finger was hovering over the deploy button and bam not even 30 seconds in squad out of squad again. Normally I would say give it 5 mins then find another, ofc sometimes its because the squad lead is typing something in without a keyboard for the new members in squad.
Be aware my squads are run without mic because after over 3 years of running with them I have found that a broken mic is not as good as communication through the tools already built into the game. Check it out give someone a 5 min timer before leaving squad. Sometimes they are getting their dead dog off the road (like i had to this summer) and can't hit the deploy button while doing so.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5757
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Posted - 2015.01.18 01:14:00 -
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Auto-squading like we had in beta would do wonders for pub matches and NPE
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
195
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Posted - 2015.01.18 01:26:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Auto-squading like we had in beta would do wonders for pub matches and NPE I'm not really sure about that, I remember how terribad some of the matches used to get without the ability to actually pick where you were going or who with, it was a blessing and a curse all at the same time but it would fill squads true. I believe the reason for our success this afternoon was that everyone who joined came together because they wanted to work as a team rather than run and gun solo.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
715
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Posted - 2015.01.18 01:31:00 -
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DJINN Jecture wrote:...Sometimes they are getting their dead dog off the road (like i had to this summer)...
AKA - StarVenger
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jane stalin
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2015.01.18 01:40:00 -
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I hate squadding in dust, I cannot explain why, I liked the team work in the FPS left 4 dead. |
DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
196
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Posted - 2015.01.18 01:45:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:I hate squadding in dust, I cannot explain why, I liked the team work in the FPS left 4 dead. The reasons to join the squad are twofold, one you have people who are there to assist you, working toward common goals with the interest in following the squad objectives as the lead puts them out for a better return on SP and time invested. Two if you talk before deployment and discuss how the squad will move you know what is supposed to happen and can fit yourself into a group that allows you to do better by complementing a variety of play styles.
I'm sorry you don't like the format, it is what we have here, I try not to leave my squad mates for dead....
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DUST Fiend
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
15575
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:03:00 -
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Ewww, socializing.
If I could join a squad that wouldnt talk or take 15 minutes in between matches I might play with otherw, buuut, I can't, so I dont lol.
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
5359
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:11:00 -
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as much as i like to squad with randos.... i get chirped simply because i am a commando
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
1601
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Ewww, socializing.
If I could join a squad that wouldnt talk or take 15 minutes in between matches I might play with others, buuut, I can't, so I dont lol. I don't. Neither do Dreis' squads.
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Henrietta Unknown
Kaalmayoti Warzone Control
751
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Ewww, socializing.
If I could join a squad that wouldnt talk or take 15 minutes in between matches I might play with others, buuut, I can't, so I dont lol. This. A casual or just someone pressed for time can't even get more than one match done in such circumstances. Don't loiter.
Please buff my Magsex. It doesn't hit hard enough...
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
347
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:47:00 -
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So, basically you ran it like an actual military fire team. In reality it is all about the hand signals and prior planning and understanding of expectations. Very little talking when in the field and in a war zone you usually can't hear over the gun fire in addition to the stealth factor of being silent.
I prefer this method of play over someone shouting about something out of the blue. Sucks though when there is no planning AND no verbalization of commands or intentions.
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
1601
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:51:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:So, basically you ran it like an actual military fire team. In reality it is all about the hand signals and prior planning and understanding of expectations. Very little talking when in the field and in a war zone you usually can't hear over the gun fire in addition to the stealth factor of being silent.
I prefer this method of play over someone shouting about something out of the blue. Sucks though when there is no planning AND no verbalization of commands or intentions. Inb4 longer war barge timer
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16649
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:52:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:So, basically you ran it like an actual military fire team. In reality it is all about the hand signals and prior planning and understanding of expectations. Very little talking when in the field and in a war zone you usually can't hear over the gun fire in addition to the stealth factor of being silent.
I prefer this method of play over someone shouting about something out of the blue. Sucks though when there is no planning AND no verbalization of commands or intentions.
I also liked this kind of playstyle.
Air Cavalry or Mechanized Infantry or whatever they are called nowadays.
Dead Six used to operate in Cal FW out of two Logi Dropships with two teams of infantry who'd be dropped in at high speed, take a point, and meet up at a landing zone before being picked up.
It's also how PIE Inc way back in the day when that was our corp name used to play in FW. Same premise. I'd Nitrous over to a point drop off two players, drop an uplink, cover them, before we rolled off. If another tank came by I'd call for my two gunners and we'd easily out DPS any other vehicle that came near us.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1732
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:57:00 -
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Also, Silent Squads Lose Matches.
You may quote me on that.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2903
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Posted - 2015.01.18 03:18:00 -
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Teamwork has always and will always be OP.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1329
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Posted - 2015.01.18 03:19:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:as much as i like to squad with randos.... i get chirped simply because i am a commando WTF, commando is THE competitive squad suit, who the hell would kick a commando out?
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Henrietta Unknown
Kaalmayoti Warzone Control
751
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Posted - 2015.01.18 03:30:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:as much as i like to squad with randos.... i get chirped simply because i am a commando WTF, commando is THE competitive squad suit, who the hell would kick a commando out? Fingers like to point at the most (presumably) useless loadout in the squad the minute everything goes to h3ll.
Scouts do recon/infiltration. Sentinels guard points and lay down suppressive fire. Assaults are the mainstay of most effective squads. Logis provide various types of support. Commandos, well, add to firepower, but that's where it usually ends. And are not very survivable without a 'living' squad.
Please buff my Magsex. It doesn't hit hard enough...
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4693
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Posted - 2015.01.18 03:49:00 -
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I love random squads because everyone's competency levels seem to quadruple. Sure, there are the odd games where we get put against the normal pubprotostomping tryhard corps, but that's too be expected.
Heck, a few days ago I joined a random squad consisting of 4 people: myself, 2 randoms, and 1 Alldin Kan. We pretty much stomped every game even though our squad was tiny.
As a solo player, joining random squads where I am free to do what I want without being restricted by a squad leader shouting orders is my preferred way to play this game. I don't get distracted by kids crying, dogs barking, women shouting, or choke on my dip by hearing open racism over mics.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5759
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:01:00 -
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DJINN Jecture wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Auto-squading like we had in beta would do wonders for pub matches and NPE I'm not really sure about that, I remember how terribad some of the matches used to get without the ability to actually pick where you were going or who with, it was a blessing and a curse all at the same time but it would fill squads true. I believe the reason for our success this afternoon was that everyone who joined came together because they wanted to work as a team rather than run and gun solo.
I don't think I would have ever bought a mic or stuck with Dust without auto squading.
I think you should still be able to set up a squad. Solo players would be thrown into a squad.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
1102
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:35:00 -
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DJINN Jecture wrote:So I have now done some research and have found that a completely random grouping of people in Pubs in a squad does work even without mic support, just using basic squad commands (squad leader knows what he/she is doing with the almighty wheel) and by playing as a team of people. To do this I made a "Public" squad and waited for it to fill up with people. As time went on we went from Dominating the matches (domination mode) to outright cloning out the other team over the course of 3 hrs. The squad started as 2 members and grew with each match and was successful. We had squad members from more than one random corp and it was amazing how well everyone who just wanted to play as a team could work together both without comms and without any instructions other than normal squad commands. We did not proto stomp, we rolled over all the solo players on the other teams. Like a wave of terror they ran fleeing to the hills and tried to snipe us but still we came on strong and persevered. It was like a death squad in some horror film, not even the tanks that they threw at us could stand up to our fury. Keep in mind this was a completely random group of mercs who all joined a squad and deployed with some simple planning before hand. Punch for ammo, stay together to stay alive, follow squad orders for movement. This is not hard to do guys and really funny how well it worked. Thank you to all who participated in the application of bullets with me this afternoon. It was a true pleasure I will be running these Public Access Squads on a regular basis, if you want to be part of the "education process" join me in schooling the solos, one match at a time.
This guy knows his stuff.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
1734
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:42:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ewww, socializing.
If I could join a squad that wouldnt talk or take 15 minutes in between matches I might play with others, buuut, I can't, so I dont lol. I don't. Neither do Dreis' squads. You can't imagine the amount of surprise I felt when I saw my name in your post. lol
I like to wait around 5 mins between matches and talk
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
590
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:43:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:as much as i like to squad with randos.... i get chirped simply because i am a commando Stupid people don't understand the damage a commando can do. I've been running my minmando since the day it was created and I love it. Had several matches tonight alone with over 20 kills, plus all the vehicles that were destroyed with my swarms. Commandos are a great addition to any squad.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
1734
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:43:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Also, Silent Squads Lose Matches.
You may quote me on that. pffffffffft, most of the time, the guys with mics aren't even talking about the match
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
204
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:52:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:DJINN Jecture wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Auto-squading like we had in beta would do wonders for pub matches and NPE I'm not really sure about that, I remember how terribad some of the matches used to get without the ability to actually pick where you were going or who with, it was a blessing and a curse all at the same time but it would fill squads true. I believe the reason for our success this afternoon was that everyone who joined came together because they wanted to work as a team rather than run and gun solo. I don't think I would have ever bought a mic or stuck with Dust without auto squading. I think you should still be able to set up a squad. Solo players would be thrown into a squad. As much as that is a nice idea, maybe the solo player just wants to do his own thing and solo, its perfectly fine for them to do that, some of the best players I know are awesome solo players, who don't do teamwork the way a squad does but rather contribute to the team synergy and stealth around dropping links and sniping or running tank.
For those guys who prefer the solo life there is no "fire from the heavens" or backup, this is the education that needs to happen, that it is better with a squad or team. The reason being is that without knowing that they need to be a team member. For new players who don't know how to squad up this can be a bit painful but works to encourage the behaviour. It rewards the team player and can punish the solo artist but due to all the complaints of proto stomping on the forums I tend to believe this is what is happening.
Many corps have player who have lost interest and there are not adequate numbers to put a full squad together anymore or yet depending on the fluxx of a corp or maybe even in one or two timezones. Those people who don't have guys to get in a squad with will bounce around doing solos and then log for the night. It sucks playing by yourself, these Public Access Squads that I run will hopefully encourage more people to do this on a regular basis, come out squad with some randoms just because you need a team. Those who want to be there I expect know why a squad is important and can see the benefit of teamwork.
I cannot stress it enough, anyone in CCP reading this should really make a tutorial for joining a squad for new players if there isn't one already. Maybe showcase the benefits of having a Logi, heavy, assault, and scout on the team and the benefits of working together, dropping an OB.
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
206
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Posted - 2015.01.18 07:01:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:as much as i like to squad with randos.... i get chirped simply because i am a commando WTF, commando is THE competitive squad suit, who the hell would kick a commando out? Fingers like to point at the most (presumably) useless loadout in the squad the minute everything goes to h3ll. Scouts do recon/infiltration. Sentinels guard points and lay down suppressive fire. Assaults are the mainstay of most effective squads. Logis provide various types of support. Commandos, well, add to fire-power, but that's where it usually ends. And are not very survivable without a 'living' squad. I gotta say, if someone told me kick the Commando I would have to drop out of the squad or use a clone to switch suits. I kinda like being able to drop an uplink, hive, pull out a needle or put a rep tool on someone and then pull out my sniper rifle and get some kills out of guys camped in obvious places sniping at my squad and then quick switch to a rifle of my choosing to put the heat on someone at a closer range advancing on my position or running behind cover trying to take me out.
It may not have the raw HP of a standard Heavy but they fill a role that needs to be filled on the battlefield just the same. Commandos are awesome. That said I also like scouts, heavies, sentinels, logis, assaults, and vehicle pilots, all suits are good ones if they can be used to complement the squad and increase their potential for greatness.
I run every type of suit in the game in some form or another. I encourage all players to spec into what they enjoy, its a game and if you enjoy what you are doing it is well worth it.
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CrotchGrab 360
Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase
1950
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Posted - 2015.01.18 18:09:00 -
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DJINN Jecture wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Do you know what annoys me about squad finder?
I join a squad, it fills up, most of the time the leader never queues up and everyone leaves. This would happen 9 times out of 10. I think I had a few of you "not like about squad finder types" try and join the squad today. We had just left battle my finger was hovering over the deploy button and bam not even 30 seconds in squad out of squad again. Normally I would say give it 5 mins then find another, ofc sometimes its because the squad lead is typing something in without a keyboard for the new members in squad. Be aware my squads are run without mic because after over 3 years of running with them I have found that a broken mic is not as good as communication through the tools already built into the game. Check it out give someone a 5 min timer before leaving squad. Sometimes they are getting their dead dog off the road (like i had to this summer) and can't hit the deploy button while doing so.
I don't wait 30 seconds.... I mean I wait for 5 minutes for it to fill up or for the squad leader to deploy (whether full or not) then within the next 5 minutes everyone leaves and I've wasted my time. I don't expect you to Q up as soon as the squad fills up, but in my experience nobody EVER Qs up. I've waited 10 minutes with a full 6 before.
Squad leaders in public squads take the **** as they treat it as their private squad.
But if I see your squad or anyone I know then they have 5 minutes grace. It's not impatience on my part, it's not wanting to waste my time I have about 2-3 hours a day if I get time to play so, don't want to hang around
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