DUST Search - Cant make an Amarr comando work.....

Forever ETC wrote:

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Whybare you using weapons that don't apply to your damage bonus? A lot of Commando suits I see like this mostly fail because without the weapon's damage bonus, the commando acts like more squishier heavy and that is bad.

Don't use Tac AR's on it, don't use Combat Rifles on it. Many will argue that having 2 Anti-shield and anti-armor weapons would help you out, but it will hinder you greatly.

Ditch all those weapons and slap on a Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle/Assault Scrambler Rifle.

You pick them off from a long distance with your Laser Rifle which now has higher damage, and if they get too close, pull out the ScR/AScR.

I have seen many combination of Commandos that are just down right stupid.

An Ammando with a Rail Rifle anr Shotgun

A Minmando with Assault Rifle and Shotgun (why just not use Galmando?)

A Calmando with nothing but Scramblers

it goes on. If you are not using the weapon type that your Commando has a bonus too, you are just making yourself a squishier heavy wielding 2 light weapons.

Try running with Laser weaponry.

As for tactics:
Never push the frontlines. That's the Assault suit's job. Your job is to hold the line down quickly dropping down anyone who gets in the way. Remember that you are slow, have a big hitbox and lower health than the Basic Heavy Frame and crap EWAR stats. Your job is to stay behind your friendlies and hold down the line.

Hey! The Amarr Commamdo in 1.7 was OP with the RR and shotgun. It was my scrub fit.

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Balamob S.K.I.L.L OF G.O.D RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2015.01.16 01:48:00 - [1] - Quote First, Im a vet player with 38 mill SP. Ive tried a lot of things and i can say that is very frustrating that i cant make the Amarr commando (refered as Ammando from here on) perform as steadily and efficent as the other commando (tried them with alts). Also is so annoying to get overheat all the time unless u bring a non-laser weapon which in my opinion wastes the porpose of the Ammando bonus. Last but not least, i like to make an AV commando fit with it (1 of its mainly porposes) and the more efficient weapon ive used so far with it is the assault combat/rail rifle and saddly is not even weapons that benefit from the Ammando bonus. Maybe im doing something wrong with the Ammando, it needs a tweek or is just a waste of time. the builds ive tried so far..... Ammando STD: -Proto DMG mod -Proto Repair / ADV if trying to use the Assault ScrR - ADV Swarm or Laser -Assault Combat Rifle / Assault Scr Rifle or ScR <------- which has given me the worst results -Nanohive Ammando PROTO: -Proto DMG mod -Proto reapir -2 Proto Armor Plates/ 2 ADV Armor Plates if Proto Assault ScrR or Proto ScrR -Proto Swarm or Proto Laser -Proto Assault Combat Rifle/ Proto Assault-Tactica ScrR -Nanohive exMAG vet. Sver faction
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1529	Posted - 2015.01.16 01:50:00 - [2] - Quote Try two if the same weapon. It negates overheat. Crush them
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5048	Posted - 2015.01.16 01:52:00 - [3] - Quote Drop the two armor plates for repair mods. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1555	Posted - 2015.01.16 01:53:00 - [4] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Drop the two armor plates for repair mods. ^ And laser rifle is in a good place now. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 1321	Posted - 2015.01.16 01:55:00 - [5] - Quote ASCR Massdriver (Or other high damage anti-armor weapon, this one kills strafers) Complex damage mod Remote explosive/scanner Complex armor repair enhanced cardiac regulator Complex (or enhanced) kincat. Let the tears flow Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1710	Posted - 2015.01.16 01:59:00 - [6] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Drop the two armor plates for repair mods. Or re-actives . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1531	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:00:00 - [7] - Quote Balamob wrote: First, Im a vet player with 38 mill SP. Ive tried a lot of things and i can say that is very frustrating that i cant make the Amarr commando (refered as Ammando from here on) perform as steadily and efficent as the other commando (tried them with alts). Also is so annoying to get overheat all the time unless u bring a non-laser weapon which in my opinion wastes the porpose of the Ammando bonus. Last but not least, i like to make an AV commando fit with it (1 of its mainly porposes) and the more efficient weapon ive used so far with it is the assault combat/rail rifle and saddly is not even weapons that benefit from the Ammando bonus. Maybe im doing something wrong with the Ammando, it needs a tweek or is just a waste of time. the builds ive tried so far..... Ammando STD: -Proto DMG mod -Proto Repair / ADV if trying to use the Assault ScrR - ADV Swarm or Laser -Assault Combat Rifle / Assault Scr Rifle or ScR <------- which has given me the worst results -Nanohive Ammando PROTO: -Proto DMG mod -Proto reapir -2 Proto Armor Plates/ 2 ADV Armor Plates if Proto Assault ScrR or Proto ScrR -Proto Swarm or Proto Laser -Proto Assault Combat Rifle/ Proto Assault-Tactica ScrR -Nanohive The a-1 is a throw away suit. Put a couple blueprints on it and have fun. You'll get better at preserving your proto. Supress. I don't stop firing when my enemies take cover. Shot after shot keeps them pinned for my squad to move Crush them
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1710	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:01:00 - [8] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Drop the two armor plates for repair mods. ^ And laser rifle is in a good place now. That and the scrambler , use assault scrambler and scrambler ... ADV or PRO if you have the SP's invested . Laser and scrambler from elevated places to suppress , like a sharpshooter ... melt brains . Scrambled eggs always taste good . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Balamob S.K.I.L.L OF G.O.D RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:02:00 - [9] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Drop the two armor plates for repair mods. ^ And laser rifle is in a good place now. The Laser performs ok in my opinion after trying all the weapons on the game and the double (even triple armor reapir) tried them but the 2 complex armor plates let me perform as part of a team with a logi on open areas. The triple repers are awesome if im solo playing but whe im wearing proto is with a squad. Nvm, none of the options so far let the Ammando perform decently as an AV unit and more importanlty, wear an AV weapon and laser weapon that performs fine in higher tiers, i specific laser weaponry cus u need that bonus to DMG against PROTO encounters. exMAG vet. Sver faction
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1710	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:02:00 - [10] - Quote Amarr Commando is so underrated , not that it's not in need like all commandoes but it is under rated . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1531	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:06:00 - [11] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Amarr Commando is so underrated , not that it's not in need like all commandoes but it is under rated . It needs a built in logi for almost any serious engagement Crush them
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1710	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:09:00 - [12] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Amarr Commando is so underrated , not that it's not in need like all commandoes but it is under rated . It needs a built in logi for almost any serious engagement Hell , all commandoes need something but no one listens . Just like logistics . I always keep the adv and pro rep / ammo hives on me . Does make a difference . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1532	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:20:00 - [13] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Amarr Commando is so underrated , not that it's not in need like all commandoes but it is under rated . It needs a built in logi for almost any serious engagement Hell , all commandoes need something but no one listens . Just like logistics . I always keep the adv and pro rep / ammo hives on me . Does make a difference . Every commando could use another low slot Crush them
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1710	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:22:00 - [14] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Amarr Commando is so underrated , not that it's not in need like all commandoes but it is under rated . It needs a built in logi for almost any serious engagement Hell , all commandoes need something but no one listens . Just like logistics . I always keep the adv and pro rep / ammo hives on me . Does make a difference . Every commando could use another low slot And stamina / stamina recovery also better precision . I would love a grenade slot on top of that . I know a lot would disagree with the grenade but believe me that suit would be in a good place with one . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 789	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:42:00 - [15] - Quote Whybare you using weapons that don't apply to your damage bonus? A lot of Commando suits I see like this mostly fail because without the weapon's damage bonus, the commando acts like more squishier heavy and that is bad. Don't use Tac AR's on it, don't use Combat Rifles on it. Many will argue that having 2 Anti-shield and anti-armor weapons would help you out, but it will hinder you greatly. Ditch all those weapons and slap on a Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle/Assault Scrambler Rifle. You pick them off from a long distance with your Laser Rifle which now has higher damage, and if they get too close, pull out the ScR/AScR. I have seen many combination of Commandos that are just down right stupid. An Ammando with a Rail Rifle anr Shotgun A Minmando with Assault Rifle and Shotgun (why just not use Galmando?) A Calmando with nothing but Scramblers it goes on. If you are not using the weapon type that your Commando has a bonus too, you are just making yourself a squishier heavy wielding 2 light weapons. Try running with Laser weaponry. As for tactics: Never push the frontlines. That's the Assault suit's job. Your job is to hold the line down quickly dropping down anyone who gets in the way. Remember that you are slow, have a big hitbox and lower health than the Basic Heavy Frame and crap EWAR stats. Your job is to stay behind your friendlies and hold down the line. Changes to Damage mods!
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15082	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:08:00 - [16] - Quote The Amarr Assault out-classes the Amarr Commando in every way imaginable. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 938	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:12:00 - [17] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Whybare you using weapons that don't apply to your damage bonus? A lot of Commando suits I see like this mostly fail because without the weapon's damage bonus, the commando acts like more squishier heavy and that is bad. Don't use Tac AR's on it, don't use Combat Rifles on it. Many will argue that having 2 Anti-shield and anti-armor weapons would help you out, but it will hinder you greatly. Ditch all those weapons and slap on a Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle/Assault Scrambler Rifle. You pick them off from a long distance with your Laser Rifle which now has higher damage, and if they get too close, pull out the ScR/AScR. I have seen many combination of Commandos that are just down right stupid. An Ammando with a Rail Rifle anr Shotgun A Minmando with Assault Rifle and Shotgun (why just not use Galmando?) A Calmando with nothing but Scramblers it goes on. If you are not using the weapon type that your Commando has a bonus too, you are just making yourself a squishier heavy wielding 2 light weapons. Try running with Laser weaponry. As for tactics: Never push the frontlines. That's the Assault suit's job. Your job is to hold the line down quickly dropping down anyone who gets in the way. Remember that you are slow, have a big hitbox and lower health than the Basic Heavy Frame and crap EWAR stats. Your job is to stay behind your friendlies and hold down the line. Hey! The Amarr Commamdo in 1.7 was OP with the RR and shotgun. It was my scrub fit. No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Jesus!" yelled the blues "No, my name is Forever"
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1710	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:15:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Amarr Assault out-classes the Amarr Commando in every way imaginable. Yes but that's because it's sustained fire . It has one of the best bonuses ( Amarr Assault ) but most just don't appreciate it . Edit : Caldari Assault needs a better bonus , it's the only assault that doesn't have a weapons performance boost ... I guess reload is ? Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 1321	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:25:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Amarr Assault out-classes the Amarr Commando in every way imaginable. Lololol The assault gets rekt when it goes against this commando: Scrambler MD Remote explosive complex dmg mod Complex armor rep Enhance Cardiac Reg Complex Kincat Been rekt'ing them all week. Poor little amarr assault scrublets. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 521	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:33:00 - [20] - Quote I will throw my support into the fire support group that have commented above. The Ammando is awesome at overwatch. The laser really is good, and while you have to be more accurate on the mando with it, you can pop people faster with it due to the damage bonus. Any open ground is your playground. Plus you got the armor stacking needed to take any other long range weapon head on plus an EQ slot for ammo. The ASCR is actually pretty good if they sneak up/manage to get in close. The only thing you have to worry about is snipers and vehicles. All other infantry will bow down before you. Works well in almost every Amb, and half of Doms, and 40% of the points on skirmishes.

Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 791	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:51:00 - [21] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Whybare you using weapons that don't apply to your damage bonus? A lot of Commando suits I see like this mostly fail because without the weapon's damage bonus, the commando acts like more squishier heavy and that is bad. Don't use Tac AR's on it, don't use Combat Rifles on it. Many will argue that having 2 Anti-shield and anti-armor weapons would help you out, but it will hinder you greatly. Ditch all those weapons and slap on a Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle/Assault Scrambler Rifle. You pick them off from a long distance with your Laser Rifle which now has higher damage, and if they get too close, pull out the ScR/AScR. I have seen many combination of Commandos that are just down right stupid. An Ammando with a Rail Rifle anr Shotgun A Minmando with Assault Rifle and Shotgun (why just not use Galmando?) A Calmando with nothing but Scramblers it goes on. If you are not using the weapon type that your Commando has a bonus too, you are just making yourself a squishier heavy wielding 2 light weapons. Try running with Laser weaponry. As for tactics: Never push the frontlines. That's the Assault suit's job. Your job is to hold the line down quickly dropping down anyone who gets in the way. Remember that you are slow, have a big hitbox and lower health than the Basic Heavy Frame and crap EWAR stats. Your job is to stay behind your friendlies and hold down the line. Hey! The Amarr Commamdo in 1.7 was OP with the RR and shotgun. It was my scrub fit. But that's because the RR was extremely OP back in 1.7. And I am talking fits that I am seeing now on the field. Changes to Damage mods!
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5518	Posted - 2015.01.16 04:29:00 - [22] - Quote AScR + LR is beastly in open maps. The Amarr commando is limited in its use because the Amarr only have 2 light weapons to begin with.
Balamob S.K.I.L.L OF G.O.D RISE of LEGION 44	Posted - 2015.01.16 06:19:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: AScR + LR is beastly in open maps. The Amarr commando is limited in its use because the Amarr only have 2 light weapons to begin with. Already tried this mix and it doesnt work in my experience, the AScR is not reliable as other light weapons and less realiable without the Amarr Assault bonus, the overheat on the AScR is not even managable in burst, tried this too. The ACombatR has given me better results than the AScR so far, sadly is a Minmatar weapon (very powerful though). exMAG vet. Sver faction
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1899	Posted - 2015.01.16 06:43:00 - [24] - Quote Use STD ScR & Swarm or ScR & PLC. While the laser can be good, it's not as useful in as many situations as an av weapon. Always go 3 complex armor repairers - you've got a ton of hp, use it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 243	Posted - 2015.01.16 08:31:00 - [25] - Quote Balamob wrote: Joel II X wrote: AScR + LR is beastly in open maps. The Amarr commando is limited in its use because the Amarr only have 2 light weapons to begin with. Already tried this mix and it doesnt work in my experience, the AScR is not reliable as other light weapons and less realiable without the Amarr Assault bonus, the overheat on the AScR is not even managable in burst, tried this too. The ACombatR has given me better results than the AScR so far, sadly is a Minmatar weapon (very powerful though). Err....what? Last time I checked the Asscrambler can sustain 50 shots before overheat. Even at basic level (30 damage before calculating damage mods, commando bonus or shield/armor variables) that's 1500 damage. More than enough to kill, though it's not as quick as the ACR. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 184	Posted - 2015.01.16 08:57:00 - [26] - Quote These are the fits I use in public matches for std ammandos (to get the most out of these you need some max core skills for a few things like lvl 5 for shield and armor mods for max base hp when no hp mods are used) : Proto precision and dampener (2x std scrambler rifle) or (std shotgun and (adv assault plasma rifle/adv burst plasma rifle/adv tac plasma rifle)) adv active scanner or compact nanohive (used when playing solo, best at flanking enemies, you usually need to run 300m or more to properly flank during proto stomps, roughly a 1 minute walk sometimes, that is 1/15 th of a match, it can be annoying) Proto rep mod Proto precision mod (2x std scrambler rifle) or (std scrambler and adv assault plasma rifle) or (std scrambler and laser rifle) std nanohive or adv active scanner or std nanite injector (used for team play, allows you to scan brick tanked medium frames, stick to allies even if playing solo) Proto reactive plate Proto shield mod (std scrambler rifle and militia assault combat rifle) or (militia assault scrambler rifle and militia assault combat rifle) std nanohive or compact nanohive or std rep tool or std nanite injector (used for team based play, if playing solo, stick to objectives that have allies, stay near 1 ally) for proto ammandos: 2x proto dampeners proto rep mod proto precision mod proto scrambler rifle proto burst combat rifle or (proto assault scrambler rifle and proto shotgun) std nanohive or adv active scanner (used for solo play, can be great for flanking enemies in team play, but you end up flanking enemies in solo play anyway)
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 184	Posted - 2015.01.16 09:04:00 - [27] - Quote using weapons that the commandos weapons don't apply to is done because we don't have the SP yet so we compromise, other times its because we are multi tasking which gimps our fits at certain ranges such as being good at 0-5 meters and 50-90 meters but not good at 5-50m. etc. we change our behavior to compensate for these weaknesses. sometimes a scrambler would not suit the situation, we might need a larger damage per clip, thus we use an AR with another specialized weapon like a shotgun or swarm launcher or sniper.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1817	Posted - 2015.01.16 09:07:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Amarr Assault out-classes the Amarr Commando in every way imaginable. well, if you go for double SCR you have beastly sustained DPS that even amarr assault cannot match, so it is not all that bad.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 421	Posted - 2015.01.16 11:17:00 - [29] - Quote Drop the swarm launcher, i have seen so many commando ak.0's with swarms....i nail them in 2 seconds. Stick a laser rifle on it with a combat rifle. I speak from experience :) p.s i was constantly wrecked by laser-rifle weilding amarr commandos Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
Nirwanda Vaughns 1219	Posted - 2015.01.16 11:50:00 - [30] - Quote Commando is built for the AScR as it has a lower heat build up than the others so leave them to the Assault suits. i also preffer to keep the suit mobile and seeign as it has good base HP just use reppers and a cardiac or rep/kin/card, use AScR as your primary and have either AV in second or an ACR to cut through heavy armour suits. it takes a while to get used to unloading half a clip of shield damage and then changing wepaon but once you get used to it, you shouldn't have too much difficulty taking on any med/heavy frame Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner



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