DUST Search - My research into the strongbox(abridged)

Soldner VonKuechle wrote:

So I have been researching droprates on strongbox gear once you open them, because im a sucker and quite literally have nothing else to spend money on atm.

I was going to do a nice table with pretty graphs and easy to read infographics.

But then tonight i got a loot so infuriating, im immediately cancelling the project and DEMANDING CCP to re-evaluate the strongbox loot tables.

22 mutha-ducking MILITIA PROFILE DAMPENERS!!

Are you frogking kidding me Frame, Ratatti and Z?

Ive opened close to 200 god-forsaken boxes to prove they are worth the AUR investment for you, but this....this is absolutely unacceptable bullsit.

Come the feck on, I didn't even know such lunacy was on the loot table until tonight.

Having such utterly terrible gear on the loot table invaldates my thesis of strongbox loot > value of key.

Ugh, it really shoots the whole thing apart, because other than MLT gear being in there, you get anywhere from 600 to 1100 in AUR gear on a drop, and Ive been holding steady at a 30% officer gear drop.

So please CCP, take that MLT poop off the table so you can possibly save some face in the box/key/aur debacle.

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Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1332	Posted - 2015.01.12 06:08:00 - [1] - Quote So I have been researching droprates on strongbox gear once you open them, because im a sucker and quite literally have nothing else to spend money on atm. I was going to do a nice table with pretty graphs and easy to read infographics. But then tonight i got a loot so infuriating, im immediately cancelling the project and DEMANDING CCP to re-evaluate the strongbox loot tables. 22 mutha-ducking MILITIA PROFILE DAMPENERS!! Are you frogking kidding me Frame, Ratatti and Z? Ive opened close to 200 god-forsaken boxes to prove they are worth the AUR investment for you, but this....this is absolutely unacceptable bullsit. Come the feck on, I didn't even know such lunacy was on the loot table until tonight. Having such utterly terrible gear on the loot table invaldates my thesis of strongbox loot > value of key. Ugh, it really shoots the whole thing apart, because other than MLT gear being in there, you get anywhere from 600 to 1100 in AUR gear on a drop, and Ive been holding steady at a 30% officer gear drop. So please CCP, take that MLT poop off the table so you can possibly save some face in the box/key/aur debacle. Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1721	Posted - 2015.01.12 06:15:00 - [2] - Quote or at least make the terrible gear a joke, like a picture of a DEV or a CPM, or minifigures of other players on the leaderboards. Hell keep an ISK pool and put lotto tickets in there. Then people would open the damn things...like fiends they would. Go Here and vote! 1 like is 1 vote!
The Eristic Dust 90210 686	Posted - 2015.01.12 06:41:00 - [3] - Quote I got a SINGLE militia Caldari medium frame from the first box I opened. Fortunately, it was a mission reward key and not an Aurum one, but still. Now, I would be just fine with the idea that they could contain complete crap if keys were more common, but given how hard they are get and/or that they require REAL money, some of the contents are not ok, imo. Represents a rather poor value for the time/money. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 14500	Posted - 2015.01.12 08:16:00 - [4] - Quote Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 283	Posted - 2015.01.12 08:21:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. Militia gear or not, bad mechanics is bad mechanics. The strongbox feature is another poop idea from CCP. Badly executed to boot. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 586	Posted - 2015.01.12 08:25:00 - [6] - Quote Yep... 1 single minimatar medium frame... there must be some leaks Not much time left...
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2989	Posted - 2015.01.12 08:30:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. Well that's slightly concerning if the system isn't even working how you guys had planned...... Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
LAVALLOIS Nash 417	Posted - 2015.01.12 08:30:00 - [8] - Quote People have also gotten things like skillbooks they already have or, even worse, another strongbox. Ive gotten alot of "bad" pulls (40x whisper repair tools. i have a chiron BPO). But getting stuff like milita gear, skillbooks, or strongboxes puts a damper on the prizes.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 777	Posted - 2015.01.12 08:48:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. What about skill books? I've received the same skill book twice now for a skill I already have. It was from the weapons tree. I can't even buy more than 1 of any skill in the first place. And I'm not sure I can sell it either.
The Eristic Dust 90210 686	Posted - 2015.01.12 09:16:00 - [10] - Quote Skillbooks would be fine if they were resellable for full ISK value instead of next to nothing. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

Atom Heart Mother Nazionali Senza Filtro 141	Posted - 2015.01.12 09:26:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. While you're here, could you explain what's the point in winning 100 snowball massdrivers that dont damage at all? And anyone who would like to purchase the BPO Snowball MD worth 5000 Aurum they may find it's useless. Is that intentional?
Kuruld Sengar RED 0MEN. 148	Posted - 2015.01.12 09:38:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. Is there a preferred method for sending the images?
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2015.01.12 09:52:00 - [13] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: So I have been researching droprates on strongbox gear once you open them, because im a sucker and quite literally have nothing else to spend money on atm. I was going to do a nice table with pretty graphs and easy to read infographics. But then tonight i got a loot so infuriating, im immediately cancelling the project and DEMANDING CCP to re-evaluate the strongbox loot tables. 22 mutha-ducking MILITIA PROFILE DAMPENERS!! Are you frogking kidding me Frame, Ratatti and Z? Ive opened close to 200 god-forsaken boxes to prove they are worth the AUR investment for you, but this....this is absolutely unacceptable bullsit. Come the feck on, I didn't even know such lunacy was on the loot table until tonight. Having such utterly terrible gear on the loot table invaldates my thesis of strongbox loot > value of key. Ugh, it really shoots the whole thing apart, because other than MLT gear being in there, you get anywhere from 600 to 1100 in AUR gear on a drop, and Ive been holding steady at a 30% officer gear drop. So please CCP, take that MLT poop off the table so you can possibly save some face in the box/key/aur debacle. How do I shot box? Choo Choo
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 623	Posted - 2015.01.12 10:02:00 - [14] - Quote I actually got 19 x militia dampeners in my last box few days ago...
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1279	Posted - 2015.01.12 10:11:00 - [15] - Quote I have had many crap items from strongboxes. Twice I have had 9x (racial) basic frames. People buying keys have too much faith in CCP and their coding. Luckily all my keys have been from salvage or missions. Oh, so for the record... in CCP's eyes, 1x officer weapon is equal to (or higher in value than) 800 AUR? K, will bear that in mind when trading. Hopefully we can trade for AUR too Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1279	Posted - 2015.01.12 10:13:00 - [16] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Well that's slightly concerning if the system isn't even working how you guys had planned...... LOL, it was expected over here. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 14511	Posted - 2015.01.12 10:32:00 - [17] - Quote Kuruld Sengar wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. Is there a preferred method for sending the images? [email protected] "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 293	Posted - 2015.01.12 11:11:00 - [18] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: So I have been researching droprates on strongbox gear once you open them, because im a sucker and quite literally have nothing else to spend money on atm. I was going to do a nice table with pretty graphs and easy to read infographics. But then tonight i got a loot so infuriating, im immediately cancelling the project and DEMANDING CCP to re-evaluate the strongbox loot tables. 22 mutha-ducking MILITIA PROFILE DAMPENERS!! Are you frogking kidding me Frame, Ratatti and Z? Ive opened close to 200 god-forsaken boxes to prove they are worth the AUR investment for you, but this....this is absolutely unacceptable bullsit. Come the feck on, I didn't even know such lunacy was on the loot table until tonight. Having such utterly terrible gear on the loot table invaldates my thesis of strongbox loot > value of key. Ugh, it really shoots the whole thing apart, because other than MLT gear being in there, you get anywhere from 600 to 1100 in AUR gear on a drop, and Ive been holding steady at a 30% officer gear drop. So please CCP, take that MLT poop off the table so you can possibly save some face in the box/key/aur debacle. opened one last night and got 9 ammar proto scouts (aurum version).....which i have no skills in. but at current prices how much aurum would it cost me to buy that? because 800 for 1 dam unlock i am sure can get me alot of suits.
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2015.01.12 11:25:00 - [19] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: I have had many crap items from strongboxes. Twice I have had 9x (racial) basic frames. People buying keys have too much faith in CCP and their coding. Luckily all my keys have been from salvage or missions. Oh, so for the record... in CCP's eyes, 1x officer weapon is equal to (or higher in value than) 800 AUR? K, will bear that in mind when trading. Hopefully we can trade for AUR too Please bear in mind, that 800 AUR would hold true as a selling price only if the key granted you an officer weapon with 100% probability, which is not the case. One player on this thread here mentioned having a roughly steady 30% drop rate for officer gear, where mine was more close to 5% on 50 keys used, which brings us to a selling price of between 2667 (factor 3.33 for 30%) and 16000 AUR (factor 20.0 for 5%). Oh, player trading this will be highly amusing. Now try to convert these Aurum prices into ISK and we're in a very funny place.
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 279	Posted - 2015.01.12 12:03:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. A few time i got x4 Special Edition Frontline Ak-II, or something like that. As TS say - I used about 20 key and got only pile of STD/ADV junk.

Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 286	Posted - 2015.01.12 12:25:00 - [21] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: So I have been researching droprates on strongbox gear once you open them, because im a sucker and quite literally have nothing else to spend money on atm. I was going to do a nice table with pretty graphs and easy to read infographics. But then tonight i got a loot so infuriating, im immediately cancelling the project and DEMANDING CCP to re-evaluate the strongbox loot tables. 22 mutha-ducking MILITIA PROFILE DAMPENERS!! Are you frogking kidding me Frame, Ratatti and Z? Ive opened close to 200 god-forsaken boxes to prove they are worth the AUR investment for you, but this....this is absolutely unacceptable bullsit. Come the feck on, I didn't even know such lunacy was on the loot table until tonight. Having such utterly terrible gear on the loot table invaldates my thesis of strongbox loot > value of key. Ugh, it really shoots the whole thing apart, because other than MLT gear being in there, you get anywhere from 600 to 1100 in AUR gear on a drop, and Ive been holding steady at a 30% officer gear drop. So please CCP, take that MLT poop off the table so you can possibly save some face in the box/key/aur debacle. I got a rock. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 301	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:28:00 - [22] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Yep... 1 single minimatar medium frame... there must be some leaks that's a skill book No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1267	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:34:00 - [23] - Quote You spent 100Gé¼ on Keys??? God, man!!! One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1335	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:07:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. I will be after breakfast and coffee. I apologize for the crass and rude nature of my OP, it was the result of (Xbeer + X bad matches)[(strong box quantity/keys available )sanity ]^n=mood. N being the personal value of loot from the experiment. I do not have a picture of the opened box loot prompt, but i will send one of my inventory along with a close approximatioal time stamp of the events, as to help search the game logs for the event. Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
Vlad Rostok SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 75	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:10:00 - [25] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: I apologize for the crass and rude nature of my OP, it was the result of (Xbeer + X bad matches)[(strong box quantity/keys available )sanity ]^n=mood. N being the personal value of loot from the experiment. LOL. What is the value of X? You had enough presence of mind to camouflage all of the profanity!
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1336	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:24:00 - [26] - Quote Vlad Rostok wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: I apologize for the crass and rude nature of my OP, it was the result of (Xbeer + X bad matches)[(strong box quantity/keys available )sanity ]^n=mood. N being the personal value of loot from the experiment. LOL. What is the value of X? You had enough presence of mind to camouflage all of the profanity! 5 and 4 respectively. Sensoring curse words has become a force of habit here on the forums. Dam crowd control (productions) doing its job. Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
Vlad Rostok SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:27:00 - [27] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: 5 and 4 respectively. Ah, well there's your problem with the strongbox contents! X can not be two different values simultaneously. That violates all known laws of mathematics!
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 32	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:07:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. Mr. Ratatti Sir... Fix it please !!! I got Skillbook once...https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2516027#post2516027 I got a Skillbook lvl 3... that I learn 1 and half year ago... Maybe if there are two kind of stronboxes... and 2 kind of keys... could be more atractive... example: Got Purple Strongbox... meh... you can open with a ISK or LP hacked key... and.. you got maybe 20 greanades... or 10 adv pyrus AR... that's ok but.. if you got the GOLDEN STRONGBOX... that can only be open with a GOLDEN STAINLESS AURUM KEY... and you know that it could content... 20 Phalanx Tanks... or maybe 5 Thale's ... or 1 Milita BPO submachinegun... more people would spend 600 or 1000 of aurum for these things.
Ryanjr TUG KnightKiller's inc. 4	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:08:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Please send a petition with documented facts if you have experienced this. To the best of my knowledge, and according to designs, there are only std+ items in the Strongbox, so that STD gear has a qty of 20+, and so on. Furthermore, the value of "normal" gear should be close to or above the purchase price of a key in AUR. There "should" be no way to get either militia gear, nor a single dropsuit in a Strongbox, so please let us know. There are office guns, all the AUR gear is in there, etc... I've got wolfmens, NEO A-1s, and more.. out of them Want to be Dust 514 new player helper :) room: Knight Killers Pub join
Sigourney Reever Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 75	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:12:00 - [30] - Quote Strongbox duds: militia gear standard gear skillbooks Strongbox recommendations: Something relevant to the time and place of their capture. Gear probabilities should be sourced from the racial profile of the corporation you salvaged it from. Presumably this is used as a means of accessing higher tier gear (as aurum gear has a skill bonus) that is of an opposing racial profile. Example pub match: Amarr NPC corp playing Minmatar NPC corp gives Minmatar Aurum gear to Amarr and vice versa, granting each side (limited) access to gear they might not be skilled into. 'daily mission' Strongboxes should be from your home (station) npc corp and presumably relevant to your character's race.



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