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Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 842	Posted - 2015.01.09 21:49:00 - [1] - Quote They're still OP as fugg. Maybe not through mechanics but through sheer volume. Everyone and their grandma has a minmando with swarms, same as hmg heavies. Discuss. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
KingA2thur 27	Posted - 2015.01.09 21:54:00 - [2] - Quote T.T another post with somebody complaining T.T If you get crushed from swarms in dropships or in a tank every time then you are doing something wrong. To get trolled press any key. "I do not see 'any key'. I can only see a square, triangle, circle and cross."
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 842	Posted - 2015.01.09 21:57:00 - [3] - Quote Hi Mr. 27 likes o/ I can see you've obviously never been on either side of the av argument, since you don't know how easily you can be killed in a vehicle by 5 invisible salvos of swarms. Please kindly leave this thread. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.01.09 21:59:00 - [4] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Hi Mr. 27 likes o/ I can see you've obviously never been in a a vehicle, since you don't know how easily you can be killed in a vehicle by 5 invisible salvos of swarms. Please kindly leave this thread. Explain the problem to me when you get hit by so many swarms. The people who fly drophips or drive tanks in pub properly almost never die. I try REALLY hard killing them but they just go away if they go low and regen. Alone it's just not seems possible to me. :( (To be fair I have no extra ordinary sp put into swarms)
Union118 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 193	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:03:00 - [5] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: They're still OP as fugg. Maybe not through mechanics but through sheer volume. Everyone and their grandma has a minmando with swarms, same as hmg heavies. Discuss. Dont pull out your tank if you dont want to loose it. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 7023	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:03:00 - [6] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: They're still OP as fugg. Maybe not through mechanics but through sheer volume. Everyone and their grandma has a minmando with swarms, same as hmg heavies. Discuss. THats it! waits patiently to get off work to get a Minmando with Swarms Playing as : Calscout + Amarr Assault
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 407	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:08:00 - [7] - Quote As a regular Swarm user since open beta: I think they should deal much less damage per volley, but travel extremely fast and have a larger clip size. Would make them much less intimidating, and more of a light weapon that steadily brings down a vehicle's HP. The Swarm Launcher solos vehicles too easily, AVing isn't fun anymore. And before you compare me to some of the irrational tankers: I'm down with the 1 player = 1 player thing. But considering the differences in terms of investment, I'd prefer that I chase off vehicles instead of ganking them like I do now. [38.5m SP - Next skill: Active Scanner Operation 5] Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 7023	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:10:00 - [8] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: As a regular Swarm user since open beta: I think they should deal much less damage per volley, but travel extremely fast and have a larger clip size. Would make them much less intimidating, and more of a light weapon that steadily brings down a vehicle's HP. The Swarm Launcher solos vehicles too easily, AVing isn't fun anymore. And before you compare me to some of the irrational tankers: I'm down with the 1 player = 1 player thing. But considering the differences in terms of investment, I'd prefer that I chase off vehicles instead of ganking them like I do now. Being a swarmer since open beta doesnt mean you are correct. I think its BS and Swarms are ok, if not Underpowered... :3 Playing as : Calscout + Amarr Assault
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 408	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:18:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Being a swarmer since open beta doesnt mean you are correct. I think its BS and Swarms are ok, if not Underpowered... :3 I'm clarifying that I have experience with the situation, not saying it makes me right. My post was just an opinion. What makes you say it's underpowered? [38.5m SP - Next skill: Active Scanner Operation 5] Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 53	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:48:00 - [10] - Quote If your vehicle gets destroyed against one AV player with swarms, forge gun or plasma cannon, against just ONE, then you probably did something wrong. But, if there are three or more AV players attacking you, well... isn it logical that you should be in trouble? If any weapon cant kill or destroy while a lot of people is using it to attack something, then the weapon is broken or what they are attacking is broken.

CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1887	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:51:00 - [11] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: They're still OP as fugg. Maybe not through mechanics but through sheer volume. Everyone and their grandma has a minmando with swarms, same as hmg heavies. Discuss. My theory is that it's not swarms, it's because of what CCP did with tanks, they wanted them viable again so they buffed them big time as we all know they were cheap as chips, everyone spammed, people were reluctant to spec into AV and thought "why should I spend millions of SP?" then they realised they had to, tanks got toned down but now EVERYONE has AV which makes them appear OP. I don't think it's the swarms themselves, It's the quantity, because everybody was forced to spec into AV It's CCP's fault and you reap what you sow. Don't Be A Scrub, Gimme A Sub!
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2015.01.09 23:05:00 - [12] - Quote been away from the game for a bit and came back recently, since i have returned i have started to play alot of doms. domination is a big problem for solo AV against tanks.....just too little open space so its too easy for the tank to get cover or the short sprint back to the red line. might have to spec into proxies to get that bit extra help. did they buff tank? ........as i said been away for a bit
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 849	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:10:00 - [13] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: They're still OP as fugg. Maybe not through mechanics but through sheer volume. Everyone and their grandma has a minmando with swarms, same as hmg heavies. Discuss. My theory is that it's not swarms, it's because of what CCP did with tanks, they wanted them viable again so they buffed them big time as we all know they were cheap as chips, everyone spammed, people were reluctant to spec into AV and thought "why should I spend millions of SP?" then they realised they had to, tanks got toned down but now EVERYONE has AV which makes them appear OP. I don't think it's the swarms themselves, It's the quantity, because everybody was forced to spec into AV It's CCP's fault and you reap what you sow. Exactly. Also they're fuckin invisible. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 457	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote Stop crying because ur invincible kdr machine is..... Well no longer invincible. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1194	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:27:00 - [15] - Quote All the pilots that complain are either terrible or average. Good pilots are really tough to take down, even with my Min Commando and Prof 5 Swarms. The expert pilots are still pretty much untouchable, unless they get sloppy or cocky. Properly shield tanked vehicles? Forget about it. Swarms were a joke for sooooo long. It's about time they got to drink gallons of pilot tears, imho. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7113	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:30:00 - [16] - Quote So what you are complaining about is that a team or squad will coordinate and all pull out Swarm Launchers? Please tell me this is a joke or troll. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Assault Swarm Launcher 313	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:30:00 - [17] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: Swarms were a joke for sooooo long. It's about time they got to drink gallons of pilot tears, imho. These gallons taste pretty well. The snack that smiles back, Pilots!
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 275	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:35:00 - [18] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: They're still OP as fugg. Maybe not through mechanics but through sheer volume. Everyone and their grandma has a minmando with swarms, same as hmg heavies. Discuss. So your saying a weopon is OP because of sheer volume? So if a squad has 2 forge gunners, are forge guns OP? How about a squad of Mass Driver enthusiasts? Is that OP? GTFO Conduct on the battlefield is the ultimate measure of a man
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 853	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:25:00 - [19] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Stop crying because ur invincible kdr machine is..... Well no longer invincible. They never were invincible, and that's not even the case, you can manage a tank for a whole match if you're forced into redline camping, but a dropship will not survive the match at all. And no, your team isn't coordinating to take a dropship down, bringing out a commando doesn't take any coordination since you don't have to worry about being killed by infantry and you can just whip out your swarms anytime. I have maxed swarms and a maxed minmando as well as a maxed shield vehicle alt, so I know what it's like on both sides, you can't fool me. Imagine if every match you were in was being stomped by Nyain San, but on top of that, you couldn't even see them. That's what piloting a vehicle is like now. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 853	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:26:00 - [20] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: They're still OP as fugg. Maybe not through mechanics but through sheer volume. Everyone and their grandma has a minmando with swarms, same as hmg heavies. Discuss. So your saying a weopon is OP because of sheer volume? So if a squad has 2 forge gunners, are forge guns OP? How about a squad of Mass Driver enthusiasts? Is that OP? GTFO You have to aim forge guns and mass drivers. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.

Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 853	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:27:00 - [21] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: All the pilots that complain are either terrible or average. Good pilots are really tough to take down, even with my Min Commando and Prof 5 Swarms. The expert pilots are still pretty much untouchable, unless they get sloppy or cocky. Properly shield tanked vehicles? Forget about it. Swarms were a joke for sooooo long. It's about time they got to drink gallons of pilot tears, imho. AV infantry are still looking at it wrong. "Well, I have maxed minmando and swarms, and I can't solo them, so swarms must be fine." Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 722	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:47:00 - [22] - Quote It is getting pretty annoying. The moment I call in an ADS to clear out some rooftop campers or a Tank I already have 6 swarmers and 3 Forge Gunners aiming at my vehicle before it even reaches the ground (exageration) but you pilots and tankers get what I mean. Changes to Damage mods!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16498	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:50:00 - [23] - Quote QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Niuvo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1439	Posted - 2015.01.11 23:29:00 - [24] - Quote I don't want to skill the Swarm Launcher. I don't even use MLT. If I'm bored I might try it.
Yokal Bob Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 607	Posted - 2015.01.12 08:26:00 - [25] - Quote everyone has a gun ... OP as fug . If its not anime, its not real
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1202	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:24:00 - [26] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: All the pilots that complain are either terrible or average. Good pilots are really tough to take down, even with my Min Commando and Prof 5 Swarms. The expert pilots are still pretty much untouchable, unless they get sloppy or cocky. Properly shield tanked vehicles? Forget about it. Swarms were a joke for sooooo long. It's about time they got to drink gallons of pilot tears, imho. AV infantry are still looking at it wrong. "Well, I have maxed minmando and swarms, and I can't solo them, so swarms must be fine." No, we're not. If the best possible swarmer, with all maxed skills, still requires 1 or 2 more fellow swarmers to take out a "basic" vehicle, then that's called "balance". Swarms will instantly be UP again once higher tiered HAV's are brought back. QQ more. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Stupid Blueberry Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 904	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:40:00 - [27] - Quote I don't know what you're doing wrong. The only vehicles I can't solo are shield HAVs and a smart python pilot. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1202	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:45:00 - [28] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: I don't know what you're doing wrong. The only vehicles I can't solo are shield HAVs and a smart python pilot. In pubs or PC? I usually only chase away pilots in PC. In pubs it's usually a field day, with the occasional good pilot. Now, if Rattati actually implements this Warbarge subsystem, and gives everyone a free complex damage mod, then you may have an argument. Maxed Min Commandos, with 3 complex damage mods? Overkill to say the least... Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Stupid Blueberry Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 905	Posted - 2015.01.14 21:59:00 - [29] - Quote One unlucky guy in a PC yesterday, RND's PC, actually. He decided it wold be a good idea to call in a Madrugar. Madrugar go boom. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1206	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:54:00 - [30] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: One unlucky guy in a PC yesterday, RND's PC, actually. He decided it wold be a good idea to call in a Madrugar. Madrugar go boom. Against the L337 tankers from Pendejitos? I would certainly hope so. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16580	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:55:00 - [31] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: One unlucky guy in a PC yesterday, RND's PC, actually. He decided it wold be a good idea to call in a Madrugar. Madrugar go boom. Against the L337 tankers from Pendejitos? I would certainly hope so. You'd be able to strap an RE to a raccoon and rather efficiently take out a Madrugar. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 650	Posted - 2015.01.15 00:47:00 - [32] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: axis alpha wrote: Stop crying because ur invincible kdr machine is..... Well no longer invincible. They never were invincible, and that's not even the case, you can manage a tank for a whole match if you're forced into redline camping, but a dropship will not survive the match at all. And no, your team isn't coordinating to take a dropship down, bringing out a commando doesn't take any coordination since you don't have to worry about being killed by infantry and you can just whip out your swarms anytime. I have maxed swarms and a maxed minmando as well as a maxed shield vehicle alt, so I know what it's like on both sides, you can't fool me. Imagine if every match you were in was being stomped by Nyain San, but on top of that, you couldn't even see them. That's what piloting a vehicle is like now. Did you seriously try and say tanks have never been invincible? Do you not remember 1.7? A gunnlogi could roll over 15 proxies with a hardener active and not lose all its shields. Dropships only die if more than one AV person is shooting it, or if the moron hovers there and doesn't bail when getting pounded. AV is not the problem, vehicle fitting is.
Stupid Blueberry Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 906	Posted - 2015.01.15 02:35:00 - [33] - Quote No? I wasn't referring to tanks. Also I just came out of a match where I solo'd three Incubi back to back to back. But nah, swarms are fine dawg. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 413	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:28:00 - [34] - Quote They are OP, and half-way through a match usually i recall my tank because everyone pulls out AV Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:33:00 - [35] - Quote The problem with swarms are the no render ones. That plus a min commando w/ a swarm launcher means death if you been hit twice. The third ghost is coming to finish the job. Therefore, no render + damage boost = op for 1000+ invisible damage is completely unacceptable. Nothing against the swarmers... It's the swarm itself. ^ i believe this is one of the main reasons why we dropships do this "lolAB" thing people claim we do. it's because of the impending death that comes along with ghost swarms. Co-evolution in its finest per se.
Stupid Blueberry Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 908	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:35:00 - [36] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: The problem with swarms are the no render ones. That plus a min commando w/ a swarm launcher means death if you been hit twice. The third ghost is coming to finish the job. Therefore, no render + damage boost = op for 1000+ invisible damage is completely unacceptable. Nothing against the swarmers... It's the swarm itself. ^ i believe this is one of the main reasons why we dropships do this "lolAB" thing people claim we do. it's because of the impending death that comes along with ghost swarms. Co-evolution in its finest per se. The swarmers themselves not rendering until you're 5 feet from them is an issue also. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:39:00 - [37] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: The problem with swarms are the no render ones. That plus a min commando w/ a swarm launcher means death if you been hit twice. The third ghost is coming to finish the job. Therefore, no render + damage boost = op for 1000+ invisible damage is completely unacceptable. Nothing against the swarmers... It's the swarm itself. ^ i believe this is one of the main reasons why we dropships do this "lolAB" thing people claim we do. it's because of the impending death that comes along with ghost swarms. Co-evolution in its finest per se. The swarmers themselves not rendering until you're 5 feet from them is an issue also. If i ever get caught in a swarm situation while in a python (very rare case for me... I prefer AV with a rail'bus) i fire into the swarms if it renders. ^ which is kinda... Unfair if you think about it. But we adapt, that's what the ADS pilots gotta keep doing sadly.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 413	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:43:00 - [38] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: If your vehicle gets destroyed against one AV player with swarms, forge gun or plasma cannon, against just ONE, then you probably did something wrong. But, if there are three or more AV players attacking you, well... isn it logical that you should be in trouble? If any weapon cant kill or destroy while a lot of people is using it to attack something, then the weapon is broken or what they are attacking is broken. No, it is that the AV is OP, or your tank just sat there. I was destroyed in 12 seconds by 1, ONE ******* SWARMER SITTING ON A ROOFTOP. I didn't do anything wrong, my triple-repped madrugar didn't either Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5506	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:46:00 - [39] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: If your vehicle gets destroyed against one AV player with swarms, forge gun or plasma cannon, against just ONE, then you probably did something wrong. But, if there are three or more AV players attacking you, well... isn it logical that you should be in trouble? If any weapon cant kill or destroy while a lot of people is using it to attack something, then the weapon is broken or what they are attacking is broken. No, it is that the AV is OP, or your tank just sat there. I was destroyed in 12 seconds by 1, ONE ******* SWARMER SITTING ON A ROOFTOP. I didn't do anything wrong, my triple-repped madrugar didn't either A triple repped Maddie will never die to a single Swarmer, no matter what tier. Vid or it didn't happen.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 414	Posted - 2015.01.15 05:06:00 - [40] - Quote Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: If your vehicle gets destroyed against one AV player with swarms, forge gun or plasma cannon, against just ONE, then you probably did something wrong. But, if there are three or more AV players attacking you, well... isn it logical that you should be in trouble? If any weapon cant kill or destroy while a lot of people is using it to attack something, then the weapon is broken or what they are attacking is broken. No, it is that the AV is OP, or your tank just sat there. I was destroyed in 12 seconds by 1, ONE ******* SWARMER SITTING ON A ROOFTOP. I didn't do anything wrong, my triple-repped madrugar didn't either A triple repped Maddie will never die to a single Swarmer, no matter what tier. Vid or it didn't happen. i had no shield by the way even then, 4 swarms shouldn't kill me in 12 seconds at 312 reps/second at 4000 armor anyone keen to inform me what wyrkomi swarms do with 2 damage mods? Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself

Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1250	Posted - 2015.01.15 05:29:00 - [41] - Quote xavier zor wrote: anyone keen to inform me what wyrkomi swarms do with 2 damage mods? 312 per missile/1248 per volley. 1.4 base lock-on time/1.05 max operation; 0.2 lock-on delay. 1248 * 1.07 (1x DMod) * 1.0602 (2x DMod) = 1415.75 1415.75 * 0.8 (vs Shields) = 1132.6; * 1.1 (MinCom 5) = 1245.86 1415.75 * 1.2 (vs Armour) = 1698.9; * 1.15 (Prof 5) = 1953.735; * 1.1 (MinCom 5) = 2149.11 1 Hardener: Shields: 1132.6 * 0.6 = 679.56; 747.52 (vs MinCom 5) Armour: 1953.735 * 0.75 = 1465.3; 1611.83 (vs MinCom 5) 2 Hardeners: Shields: 679.56 * 0.656 = 445.79; 490.37 (vs MinCom 5) Armour: 1465.3 * 0.785 = 1150.26; 1265.29 (vs MinCom 5) Happy numbers birthday. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 414	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:01:00 - [42] - Quote 1953 damage/shot 4 shots= 7812 damage total 3 shot=5859 damage 3 shots w/ reload time =8 seconds=2496 repped at 1261 armor 4th shot hits, does 1953 damage, repped 624 armor back which leaves me at 1885 then BAM destroyed Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 302	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:37:00 - [43] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: As a regular Swarm user since open beta: I think they should deal much less damage per volley, but travel extremely fast and have a larger clip size. Would make them much less intimidating, and more of a light weapon that steadily brings down a vehicle's HP. The Swarm Launcher solos vehicles too easily, AVing isn't fun anymore. And before you compare me to some of the irrational tankers: I'm down with the 1 player = 1 player thing. But considering the differences in terms of investment, I'd prefer that I chase off vehicles instead of ganking them like I do now. They had to raise the damage so that it would be significant enough to stop passive reps Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2741	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:44:00 - [44] - Quote KingA2thur wrote: T.T another post with somebody complaining T.T If you get crushed from swarms in dropships or in a tank every time then you are doing something wrong. Because we magically know where swarms are at all times, as well as what meta level they are. Can't anticipate 3 people using teamwork (I know I know, so hard to do) with full PRO swarms, maybe all 3 Minmandos, and totally annihilating you in 3 seconds, sending so much damage it could destroy your vehicle twice over. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15540	Posted - 2015.01.15 08:48:00 - [45] - Quote Swarms will always be the preferred weapon of noobs, and will be viciously defended by said players to the bitter end. And, since CCP has pretty much ALWAYS catered to infantry hand and foot, expect nothing but buffs for them. You cant run armor in this game anymore as a pilot in most cases, the math is just always against you since CCP decided balance = most AV doing massive damage to you. Can you put in work with armor? Of course. But, the second the enemy decides to actually focus on you, your only option is to run, and run, and run some more. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Edgar Reinhart Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2015.01.15 10:56:00 - [46] - Quote If the problem is the number of people able to run to a supply depot and bring out swarms at the first sign of a HAV could the answer be to limit the number of people that can do that by limiting the number of fits someone can bring to a battle? You'd still be able to create as many different fits as currently but you'd only be able to select x amount of them before the battle starts. E.g you'd get all the starter fits, any BPO's you'd bought and then, say, 4 other fittings? Skills or Warbarge upgrades etc would be able to increase the number you could bring. This way not everyone one the battlefield would necessarily have a fit for all seasons and most vehicles, in my experience, can swat off militia swarms as an annoyance rather than a threat.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3020	Posted - 2015.01.15 11:04:00 - [47] - Quote Heathens use swarms, real AV Champions use Plasma cannons and Forge guns. Its all about class you see Ladies and Gentlemen. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6440	Posted - 2015.01.15 11:10:00 - [48] - Quote Whenever you **** and moan about swarms, a blueberry specs into them. If you wanted to suppress their use you would publically say "meh, they're occasionally worrying." King Checkmates reaction exemplifies it. In short... Ur doin it rong. Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15543	Posted - 2015.01.15 14:57:00 - [49] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Whenever you **** and moan about swarms, a blueberry specs into them. If you wanted to suppress their use you would publically say "meh, they're occasionally worrying." King Checkmates reaction exemplifies it. In short... Ur doin it rong. Theyre painfully easy to use and exceptionally efficient, blueberries will spec them regardless My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"


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