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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:55:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:One unlucky guy in a PC yesterday, RND's PC, actually. He decided it wold be a good idea to call in a Madrugar. Madrugar go boom. Against the L337 tankers from Pendejitos? I would certainly hope so. 
You'd be able to strap an RE to a raccoon and rather efficiently take out a Madrugar.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:47:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:axis alpha wrote:Stop crying because ur invincible kdr machine is..... Well no longer invincible. They never were invincible, and that's not even the case, you can manage a tank for a whole match if you're forced into redline camping, but a dropship will not survive the match at all. And no, your team isn't coordinating to take a dropship down, bringing out a commando doesn't take any coordination since you don't have to worry about being killed by infantry and you can just whip out your swarms anytime. I have maxed swarms and a maxed minmando as well as a maxed shield vehicle alt, so I know what it's like on both sides, you can't fool me. Imagine if every match you were in was being stomped by Nyain San, but on top of that, you couldn't even see them. That's what piloting a vehicle is like now.
Did you seriously try and say tanks have never been invincible? Do you not remember 1.7? A gunnlogi could roll over 15 proxies with a hardener active and not lose all its shields. Dropships only die if more than one AV person is shooting it, or if the moron hovers there and doesn't bail when getting pounded. AV is not the problem, vehicle fitting is. |
Stupid Blueberry
Pure Evil.
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:35:00 -
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No? I wasn't referring to tanks. Also I just came out of a match where I solo'd three Incubi back to back to back. But nah, swarms are fine dawg.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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xavier zor
Rogue Instincts
413
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:28:00 -
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They are OP, and half-way through a match usually i recall my tank because everyone pulls out AV
Official Ishokune supporter
Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:33:00 -
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The problem with swarms are the no render ones.
That plus a min commando w/ a swarm launcher means death if you been hit twice. The third ghost is coming to finish the job.
Therefore, no render + damage boost = op for 1000+ invisible damage is completely unacceptable.
Nothing against the swarmers... It's the swarm itself.
^ i believe this is one of the main reasons why we dropships do this "lolAB" thing people claim we do. it's because of the impending death that comes along with ghost swarms. Co-evolution in its finest per se. |
Stupid Blueberry
Pure Evil.
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:35:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:The problem with swarms are the no render ones.
That plus a min commando w/ a swarm launcher means death if you been hit twice. The third ghost is coming to finish the job.
Therefore, no render + damage boost = op for 1000+ invisible damage is completely unacceptable.
Nothing against the swarmers... It's the swarm itself.
^ i believe this is one of the main reasons why we dropships do this "lolAB" thing people claim we do. it's because of the impending death that comes along with ghost swarms. Co-evolution in its finest per se.
The swarmers themselves not rendering until you're 5 feet from them is an issue also.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:39:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:The problem with swarms are the no render ones.
That plus a min commando w/ a swarm launcher means death if you been hit twice. The third ghost is coming to finish the job.
Therefore, no render + damage boost = op for 1000+ invisible damage is completely unacceptable.
Nothing against the swarmers... It's the swarm itself.
^ i believe this is one of the main reasons why we dropships do this "lolAB" thing people claim we do. it's because of the impending death that comes along with ghost swarms. Co-evolution in its finest per se. The swarmers themselves not rendering until you're 5 feet from them is an issue also.
If i ever get caught in a swarm situation while in a python (very rare case for me... I prefer AV with a rail'bus) i fire into the swarms if it renders.
^ which is kinda... Unfair if you think about it.
But we adapt, that's what the ADS pilots gotta keep doing sadly. |
xavier zor
Rogue Instincts
413
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:43:00 -
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Mikel Arias wrote:If your vehicle gets destroyed against one AV player with swarms, forge gun or plasma cannon, against just ONE, then you probably did something wrong. But, if there are three or more AV players attacking you, well... isn it logical that you should be in trouble? If any weapon cant kill or destroy while a lot of people is using it to attack something, then the weapon is broken or what they are attacking is broken.
No, it is that the AV is OP, or your tank just sat there. I was destroyed in 12 seconds by 1, ONE ******* SWARMER SITTING ON A ROOFTOP. I didn't do anything wrong, my triple-repped madrugar didn't either
Official Ishokune supporter
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:46:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Mikel Arias wrote:If your vehicle gets destroyed against one AV player with swarms, forge gun or plasma cannon, against just ONE, then you probably did something wrong. But, if there are three or more AV players attacking you, well... isn it logical that you should be in trouble? If any weapon cant kill or destroy while a lot of people is using it to attack something, then the weapon is broken or what they are attacking is broken. No, it is that the AV is OP, or your tank just sat there. I was destroyed in 12 seconds by 1, ONE ******* SWARMER SITTING ON A ROOFTOP. I didn't do anything wrong, my triple-repped madrugar didn't either
A triple repped Maddie will never die to a single Swarmer, no matter what tier.
Vid or it didn't happen. |
xavier zor
Rogue Instincts
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:06:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:xavier zor wrote:Mikel Arias wrote:If your vehicle gets destroyed against one AV player with swarms, forge gun or plasma cannon, against just ONE, then you probably did something wrong. But, if there are three or more AV players attacking you, well... isn it logical that you should be in trouble? If any weapon cant kill or destroy while a lot of people is using it to attack something, then the weapon is broken or what they are attacking is broken. No, it is that the AV is OP, or your tank just sat there. I was destroyed in 12 seconds by 1, ONE ******* SWARMER SITTING ON A ROOFTOP. I didn't do anything wrong, my triple-repped madrugar didn't either A triple repped Maddie will never die to a single Swarmer, no matter what tier. Vid or it didn't happen.
i had no shield by the way
even then, 4 swarms shouldn't kill me in 12 seconds at 312 reps/second at 4000 armor
anyone keen to inform me what wyrkomi swarms do with 2 damage mods?
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1250
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:29:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:anyone keen to inform me what wyrkomi swarms do with 2 damage mods?
312 per missile/1248 per volley.
1.4 base lock-on time/1.05 max operation; 0.2 lock-on delay.
1248 * 1.07 (1x DMod) * 1.0602 (2x DMod) = 1415.75
1415.75 * 0.8 (vs Shields) = 1132.6; * 1.1 (MinCom 5) = 1245.86
1415.75 * 1.2 (vs Armour) = 1698.9; * 1.15 (Prof 5) = 1953.735; * 1.1 (MinCom 5) = 2149.11
1 Hardener:
Shields: 1132.6 * 0.6 = 679.56; 747.52 (vs MinCom 5)
Armour: 1953.735 * 0.75 = 1465.3; 1611.83 (vs MinCom 5)
2 Hardeners:
Shields: 679.56 * 0.656 = 445.79; 490.37 (vs MinCom 5)
Armour: 1465.3 * 0.785 = 1150.26; 1265.29 (vs MinCom 5)
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xavier zor
Rogue Instincts
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Posted - 2015.01.15 06:01:00 -
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1953 damage/shot
4 shots= 7812 damage total
3 shot=5859 damage
3 shots w/ reload time =8 seconds=2496 repped
at 1261 armor
4th shot hits, does 1953 damage, repped 624 armor back which leaves me at 1885 then BAM destroyed
Official Ishokune supporter
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
302
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Posted - 2015.01.15 06:37:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:As a regular Swarm user since open beta:
I think they should deal much less damage per volley, but travel extremely fast and have a larger clip size. Would make them much less intimidating, and more of a light weapon that steadily brings down a vehicle's HP.
The Swarm Launcher solos vehicles too easily, AVing isn't fun anymore. And before you compare me to some of the irrational tankers: I'm down with the 1 player = 1 player thing. But considering the differences in terms of investment, I'd prefer that I chase off vehicles instead of ganking them like I do now.
They had to raise the damage so that it would be significant enough to stop passive reps
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.01.15 06:44:00 -
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KingA2thur wrote:T.T another post with somebody complaining T.T
If you get crushed from swarms in dropships or in a tank every time then you are doing something wrong.
Because we magically know where swarms are at all times, as well as what meta level they are.
Can't anticipate 3 people using teamwork (I know I know, so hard to do) with full PRO swarms, maybe all 3 Minmandos, and totally annihilating you in 3 seconds, sending so much damage it could destroy your vehicle twice over.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15540
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:48:00 -
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Swarms will always be the preferred weapon of noobs, and will be viciously defended by said players to the bitter end. And, since CCP has pretty much ALWAYS catered to infantry hand and foot, expect nothing but buffs for them.
You cant run armor in this game anymore as a pilot in most cases, the math is just always against you since CCP decided balance = most AV doing massive damage to you. Can you put in work with armor? Of course. But, the second the enemy decides to actually focus on you, your only option is to run, and run, and run some more.
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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.15 10:56:00 -
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If the problem is the number of people able to run to a supply depot and bring out swarms at the first sign of a HAV could the answer be to limit the number of people that can do that by limiting the number of fits someone can bring to a battle?
You'd still be able to create as many different fits as currently but you'd only be able to select x amount of them before the battle starts. E.g you'd get all the starter fits, any BPO's you'd bought and then, say, 4 other fittings?
Skills or Warbarge upgrades etc would be able to increase the number you could bring. This way not everyone one the battlefield would necessarily have a fit for all seasons and most vehicles, in my experience, can swat off militia swarms as an annoyance rather than a threat. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:04:00 -
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Heathens use swarms, real AV Champions use Plasma cannons and Forge guns. Its all about class you see Ladies and Gentlemen.
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
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Breakin Stuff
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
6440
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:10:00 -
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Whenever you **** and moan about swarms, a blueberry specs into them.
If you wanted to suppress their use you would publically say "meh, they're occasionally worrying."
King Checkmates reaction exemplifies it.
In short...
Ur doin it rong.
Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15543
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Posted - 2015.01.15 14:57:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Whenever you **** and moan about swarms, a blueberry specs into them.
If you wanted to suppress their use you would publically say "meh, they're occasionally worrying."
King Checkmates reaction exemplifies it.
In short...
Ur doin it rong.
Theyre painfully easy to use and exceptionally efficient, blueberries will spec them regardless
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