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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:15:00 -
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In the words of jesus Chrysler "you're doing it wrong". Heavies go down relatively easy. Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome.
You're slow, or slower than most. Overheat is ridiculous, and cool down is 10 god d*mn seconds which is long enough to get shot gunned 40 times. Everyone is in your way! Guys trying to use you as a mobile meat shield. Friendlies blocking your shots as they ridiculously strafe in front of your hmg between you and enemy heavies. (Which I just find utterly ridiculous) The friendlies don't bring ammo, links, scanners, needles, etc. All the assaults think it's the logis job only. They're only suppose to shoot.
Being a heavy isn't what it used to be. Yes there are some perks, but it's serious work now. The HMG already overheat in an instant, especially in PC. What do you want us slow mover to lose? Damage? If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?! That's why we don't use the assault version. It's too weak! That's why I got almost every suit version. Because you zealots are ridiculous!
Is there anything you don't want nerfed? Instead of using the word nerfed, say tweak or balance. You noobs don't know how dangerous the word "nerf" can be in the hands of CCP! They will obliterate your weapons! I was an AR user long before you bums found the GB-9! I ran it when it wasn't cool to do. I remember the Flay lock funeral. The death of the laser rifle. Most of your currently favorite weapons have been reincarnated recently.
Now the ScR damage against armor definitely needs a tweak if we're talking about balancing weapons, but that's a whole different thread.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Michael Arck
6138
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:18:00 -
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Jesus Chrysler still plays?
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
660
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:22:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Jesus Chrysler still plays?
And he's a straight gangsta in my humble opinion lol!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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7th Son 7
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
258
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:22:00 -
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Well said +1, yeah if we make them any slower it could be the nail in the coffin for the heavy. The games just too fast paced for that to happen.
Conduct on the battlefield is the ultimate measure of a man
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
392
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:24:00 -
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Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out...
Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG...
Drink until you can't drink no more. Then grab another bottle and drink some more! - Demetrious 'Jonny' Buelle.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
660
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:29:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out...
Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG...
Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Union118
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
188
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:29:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:In the words of jesus Chrysler "you're doing it wrong". Heavies go down relatively easy. Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome.
You're slow, or slower than most. Overheat is ridiculous, and cool down is 10 god d*mn seconds which is long enough to get shot gunned 40 times. Everyone is in your way! Guys trying to use you as a mobile meat shield. Friendlies blocking your shots as they ridiculously strafe in front of your hmg between you and enemy heavies. (Which I just find utterly ridiculous) The friendlies don't bring ammo, links, scanners, needles, etc. All the assaults think it's the logis job only. They're only suppose to shoot.
Being a heavy isn't what it used to be. Yes there are some perks, but it's serious work now. The HMG already overheat in an instant, especially in PC. What do you want us slow mover to lose? Damage? If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?! That's why we don't use the assault version. It's too weak! That's why I got almost every suit version. Because you zealots are ridiculous!
Is there anything you don't want nerfed? Instead of using the word nerfed, say tweak or balance. You noobs don't know how dangerous the word "nerf" can be in the hands of CCP! They will obliterate your weapons! I was an AR user long before you bums found the GB-9! I ran it when it wasn't cool to do. I remember the Flay lock funeral. The death of the laser rifle. Most of your currently favorite weapons have been reincarnated recently.
Now the ScR damage against armor definitely needs a tweak if we're talking about balancing weapons, but that's a whole different thread. I would agree because at cqc a heavy cant mow whats in front of them. Start a new character and play the mock ll heavy special. It does not last long against 2v1 and it should considering it is using a weapon that can cut through a tree bigger than the person itself in just seconds.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1742
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:30:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:In the words of jesus Chrysler "you're doing it wrong". Heavies go down relatively easy. Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome.
You're slow, or slower than most. Overheat is ridiculous, and cool down is 10 god d*mn seconds which is long enough to get shot gunned 40 times. Everyone is in your way! Guys trying to use you as a mobile meat shield. Friendlies blocking your shots as they ridiculously strafe in front of your hmg between you and enemy heavies. (Which I just find utterly ridiculous) The friendlies don't bring ammo, links, scanners, needles, etc. All the assaults think it's the logis job only. They're only suppose to shoot.
Being a heavy isn't what it used to be. Yes there are some perks, but it's serious work now. The HMG already overheats in an instant, especially in PC. What do you want us slow movers to lose? Damage? If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?! That's why we don't use the assault version. It's too weak! That's why I got almost every suit version. Because you zealots are ridiculous!
Is there anything you don't want nerfed? Instead of using the word nerfed, say tweak or balance. You noobs don't know how dangerous the word "nerf" can be in the hands of CCP! They will obliterate your weapons! I was an AR user long before you bums found the GB-9! I ran it when it wasn't cool to do. I remember the Flay lock funeral. The death of the laser rifle. Most of your currently favorite weapons have been reincarnated recently.
Now the ScR damage against armor definitely needs a tweak if we're talking about balancing weapons, but that's a whole different thread.
****** scouts that are mad that they can not glitch hit detection as well as others are going to continue to run head on at heavies and cry that they die. Just enjoy it being playable before the forum trolls get it nerfed into oblivion.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
660
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:34:00 -
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Two min assault M-1's can obliterate a heavy at close range! Caldari scouts are a f*cking nightmare with that sh*tty hit detection, and a shotgun.
These guys haven't been a heavy, or they would know that running assault or scout is easier now. Also, being a logi makes tons more isk than being a heavy.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
392
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:34:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out...
Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG... Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities.
I don't really care about OP stopping power, I just find it hilarious when I see a fat man with a little gun.
Never tried the Magsec, I got a couple mil SP doing nothing, think I might give it a go.
Drink until you can't drink no more. Then grab another bottle and drink some more! - Demetrious 'Jonny' Buelle.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
660
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:39:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out...
Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG... Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities. I don't really care about OP stopping power, I just find it hilarious when I see a fat man with a little gun. Never tried the Magsec, I got a couple mil SP doing nothing, think I might give it a go.
It's got roughly the damage of the basic AR, clip size is 58, it's damage is hybrid (shield and armor), and it's range is far enough to keep guys off you while you move to cover. 350 ammo capacity, and the charge up is only .30
Also use the ion pistol and sub in cqc.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
392
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:42:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out...
Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG... Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities. I don't really care about OP stopping power, I just find it hilarious when I see a fat man with a little gun. Never tried the Magsec, I got a couple mil SP doing nothing, think I might give it a go. It's got roughly the damage of the basic AR, clip size is 58, it's damage is hybrid (shield and armor), and it's range is far enough to keep guys off you while you move to cover. 350 ammo capacity, and the charge up is only .30 Also use the ion pistol and sub in cqc.
Hybrid - Rail*
As it is rail tech, it is receives a buff to armor damage and a debuff against shield s.
(Still in my teaching mode, sorry)
Drink until you can't drink no more. Then grab another bottle and drink some more! - Demetrious 'Jonny' Buelle.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
661
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:52:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Might I also add that being a solo armor tanking heavy is one of the hardest things to do as NOBODY has time to rep or help our fatasses out...
Also we are very intimidating, running towards enemies (or speed waddling as I put it) can scare most newbies. And most these guys screaming 'NERF' don't understand or refuse to understand that if they outdistance our effective range we are sitting ducks. Mind you I am now using a bolt pistol to compensate for my lack of range with the HMG... Magsec with complex sidearm damage mod for long range, but that's all preference. Most use the bolt pistol for its OP two hit kill capabilities. I don't really care about OP stopping power, I just find it hilarious when I see a fat man with a little gun. Never tried the Magsec, I got a couple mil SP doing nothing, think I might give it a go. It's got roughly the damage of the basic AR, clip size is 58, it's damage is hybrid (shield and armor), and it's range is far enough to keep guys off you while you move to cover. 350 ammo capacity, and the charge up is only .30 Also use the ion pistol and sub in cqc. Hybrid - Rail* As it is rail tech, it is receives a buff to armor damage and a debuff against shield s. (Still in my teaching mode, sorry)
The AR is labeled hybrid isn't it? It's a shield weapon isn't it? By that logic I simply assumed all hybrid weapons faired well against both with stronger tendencies to one or the other. Don't wanna give out incorrect info so someone please clarify.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
393
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Posted - 2015.01.09 09:12:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote: The AR is labeled hybrid isn't it? It's a shield weapon isn't it? By that logic I simply assumed all hybrid weapons faired well against both with stronger tendencies to one or the other. Don't wanna give out incorrect info so someone please clarify.
There are two types of Hybrid, Plasma (AR, Ion Pistol, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun) and Rail (Magsec, Bolt Pistol, Forge Gun, RR) (probally missed a few weapons).
The term hybrid has to deal with the type of ammunition used when firing. Part projectile and part energy. Rail (Caldari weapons) primarily deal armor damage and Plasma (Gallente weapons) primarily deal shield.
Edit: Logically you are correct, just there is the buff and debuff aspect that all weapons in New Eden have.
Drink until you can't drink no more. Then grab another bottle and drink some more! - Demetrious 'Jonny' Buelle.
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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect
623
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Posted - 2015.01.09 09:21:00 -
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The dust HMG got 5 barrels right? Imagine if it was a one barreled machine gun, it would overheat at 50 bullets fired...
Heavies cant get anything else than a free handicap parking in this circlejerk 1337 community.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3636
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:16:00 -
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Try to shoot a heavy with a MD then....
Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1738
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:25:00 -
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my secret anti heavy buster:
min assault mk0
3 complex shield extenders 1 complex shield recharger 2 complex shield regulators 2 complex kin cats proto shotgun proto smg proto flux compact hive
use keyboard and mouse.
the key is to abuse the sprint speed to move around a heavy, for that you need to be able to do quick precise turns between sprints and shoot him in the face then keep on sprinting.
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
288
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:27:00 -
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i like the heavy where it is......i only get mine out once in a while ( but i have ammar sentinel to 5 and HMG proficiency to 4) and even on my suicide fit ( dren sentinel, 3 blueprint militia plates, HMG)i take a few down with me before i go.
mostly i face a heavy at range and its not hard to kill them, get too close and well its not good in a medium suit but then its my bad. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
585
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:33:00 -
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How easy is kill solo HMG-heavy now.. you can see at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzGqTqIFce0 Even in optimal best DPS on paper weapon with best EHP suit ... you are... weak.
For most upgrades for heavy (armor plates buff)... heavys dont get profit on it, because of lack of slots and CPU/PG. Commandos on paper was great... but they are ..heavys too with less EHP.
Only nerf to heavys that I want is hit box 'nerf' to size of assault/scout and more 'nerf' in slot numbers to +2 ;) Then we can talk...
Not much time left...
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1738
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:37:00 -
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the heavies in his video have horrible aim...
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
247
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:39:00 -
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I wouldn't say nerf heavies but I would politely ask them to stop moaning about RE's.
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
585
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:50:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:the heavies in his video have horrible aim...
But this is average. I don't worry about good palyers with AA on. Saxon don't sweat. More ppl can do it too without special tactics and complain.
Not much time left...
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3637
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:54:00 -
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You are not a heavy. You are a rooftop camper, the fact you use a heavy suit doesn't make you more heavy than a scout who use tanked scout suit. If you know what i mean...
Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
839
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:55:00 -
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waaah my win button might go away. it's not that hard to be a heavy, get over yourselves.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
3454
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Posted - 2015.01.09 12:38:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:QQ my suits OP and its going to be nerfed soon, which it should have been months ago, but I hate that my role may actually take skill QQ FTFY
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
3454
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Posted - 2015.01.09 12:41:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:my secret anti heavy buster: min assault mk0 3 complex shield extenders 1 complex shield recharger 2 complex shield regulators 2 complex kin cats proto shotgun proto smg proto flux compact hive use keyboard and mouse. the key is to abuse the sprint speed to move around a heavy and kill the logi behind him. for that you need to be able to do quick precise turns between sprints and shoot him in the face then keep on sprinting. they heavy will at most scratch your shields if you do it right and you can keep farming kills from the logis around him because they are easy to kill. if logis are dead the heavy will simply crumble sooner or later by the damage of your team. the fit still has flux + smg combo for ranges where you cant get close and shotgun fails. avoid open fields and medium to long range combat with your speed at all cost. If you can do this props to you.
However, Im almost 100% certain you can't.
Using KB/M on a fast suit is a terrible idea because your hit detection SUCKS if you are fast with out aim assist.
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
1591
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Posted - 2015.01.09 13:02:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Why all the "nerf heavies" threads? Try being one for a week, and you will see its not all that awesome.
CCP Rattati wrote: If I want to feel better about myself and get some guaranteed kills, I go sent-hmg.
Bradric Banewolf wrote:Damage? If you do that the hmg will be pointless on a sentinel, and you'll see heavies with RR's again?!
CCP Rattati wrote: Then we will increase the fitting bonus to HMG and decrease CPU/PG, like last time.
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V.
2172
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Posted - 2015.01.09 13:05:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: scout biased sh*t
I was gonna make a witty retort but I don't feel it today instead Ill just be blunt... you are an idiot who after losing his scout invincibility has decided to try and get another class(the one you were most often pitted against mind you) nerfed into the ground so you can soothe your wounded E-Peen. Stop it. It makes you look like a child throwing a tantrum, and it's bad for the game as people like you have the devs running around trying grease the squeaky wheel when they should be developing the f*cking game. I don't say this as a Heavy, so don't get your panties in a knot. I say this as someone who wants to see the game move forward.
Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V
My faith is in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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MEDICO RITARDATO
Dead Man's Game RUST415
431
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Posted - 2015.01.09 13:13:00 -
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+1
The pen is on the table.
TheD1CK is a scrub.
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
1711
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Posted - 2015.01.09 13:50:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote:Well said +1, yeah if we make them any slower it could be the nail in the coffin for the heavy. The games just too fast paced for that to happen.
Who said anything about burying. I've got the pit already dug.
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